not saying the piracy mechanics or those post 1.4 exploits didnt contribute to the death of piracy. what i am saying is that PvE piracy isnt fun because 0 player interaction, and i use to get pirated all the time back when rare routs where the only thing for noobs. never ed about it and never combatlogged. this whole PVP and combatlogging problem is not about cancelling privet mods, and not about infinite murder. but the PvEers keep fasiling to understand a couple of thing:.
Please stop right there you are broadly painting everyone that enjoys PvE with a label that not at all holds true from my experience. Just like some accusing all PvP'ers as griefers is most definitely not true.
In terms of 'fun', well that depends on who you are, but it is equally fun to all other professions that are aimed towards npc interaction? at least in terms of the 0 player interaction part?
I play in open almost always, I've had very little issues with getting attacked randomly, never really experienced griefing.
As for what you are saying about playstyle, you do not want to stop your playstyle because people are "crying" about it, and personally I think the term 'crying' simply isn't true.
Yet what about when your playstyle affects others? it is 'ok' because you 'can' do it? how exactly does that work? its ok you do what you want to do, but others cannot? that is the essential problem of it all, some people do not want to deal with some random person attacking them out of the blue and blowing them up, and I can understand, despite not having experienced it much myself, that sure first few times it might be fine, more then that though? yeah then it isn't fun.
Here's the thing though, you say you kill fast so people do not combat log, if you are a pirate, then killing gives you nothing, if people combat log you get nothing, why are you not trying an alternative, instead of just attacking, begin stating demand, trying to interact with people? if they are going to combat log they will do so anyway, but maybe, just maybe, you attacking instantly gives people an extra reason to combat log? because they think you might be a griefer?
And again if you only want to play it your way, go private group? doesn't that go for you as well? if you want to attack random people, make a private group where its all out war? everywhere?
I hate to say it, but Combat logging is a reaction to griefing and not the other way around, there is simply no way that if griefing didn't happen combat logging would be as big a problem as it is right now, sure there will always be a minor group that wants nothing bad to happen at all, but those are a very few number.
You say there is a lot more to your group, but if all people see is your weapons firing at them, then how will they ever experience that? people cannot know anything if they do not see or experience it in one way or another, and that is your task to show them, no one else, you continue to say "blockading a system" yet why is it funny enough always CG systems this happen in, granted I can say if its your group or not, but I would LOVE to see a pirate group actually picking a system and sticking with it, blocking it for a longer time then what 1-2 days before they get bored? I would love that, but don't get me wrong here, you aren't able to disrupt anything unless you can catch every single one, which even in a perfect instanced game, would be impossible, so yeah, maybe find a reason that makes more sense? More long term, establish yourself in a system so people grow to know the risks of said system e.t.c.?
You say "people are much more comfortable" but have you read what you wrote? you seem very comfortable with labelling PvE people, right of the bat, and claiming your style is valid and those that don't want it should go private group? that does not make sense in my book, if you want to be part of the open environment, try to find a way that doesn't push away people, yet the normal reply to a sentence like that is saying that you aren't and they are the one's that are 'wrong' in some way, that you don't need to change, someone else does.
Personally I've been good, I've been bad, I've done most roles that can be done in online games, and enjoy PvP and PvE both each has their place, but I continue to see a very hard separation of Us vs Them, when it comes to PvP vs PvE people, and people seem to thrive on keeping that conflict going, solving absolutely nothing. I know there are plenty of actual PvP people that aren't out to ruin people's day, but it seems at least at this point that people have gotten so heated in the topic that taking a step back and going "how the heck do we solve this" rather then "its their fault!" seems near impossible, and that is just sad.
In my eyes:
the "PvP" People, need to step back and realise there's more to it then PvP, that PvP is not the end all be all 'best' way to play the game and such, and realise that being super aggressive about it only hurts themselves in the long run. And importantly, also remember PvP'ers need other players to interact with to get PvP and other stuff, PvE'ers don't 'need' other people at least not in a combat way, so PvP'ers, yes you can harm yourself with what you do.
the "PvE" People, need to realise the same thing, but also need to accept that PvP can and does happen in a game open like Elite, it is entirely understandable it can get frustrating and wanting to combat log if it happens very often, but maybe instead of combat logging (assuming they aren't attacked instantly), try talking to the pirate, maybe explaining that you've just been interdicted by someone else and your cargo is already low or such?
To both 'dedicated' groups, and I say it that way because personally I'm not 'in' either of them, I enjoy both aspects near equally, but to those groups.
Try to interact with someone before you chose your weapons, or try to combat log, try to see what kind of experience that there may be to get from that instead of just pew pew or vanishing, you are more then anything hurting yourselves and only robbing yourselves of potentially great experiences.
