ObsidianAnt: "PVP and Combat Logging Issue" (video)

[dynamicbob]

Co-op is my favourite style of play, followed by a tie between role played pvp and pve.

Co op PVE and then co op PVP, and then random open as followed by most players

 

[Comrade Error]

It is a good video, though personally I don't think frontier is in a bind about the whole thing, Elite was clearly marketed as not being a PvP game and has been stated repeatedly, yes you can PvP in it, but mechanics do not revolve around PvP.
That said PvP still has a place in it definitely, but right now, combat logging is a reaction as I see it, to griefers and such, and for some reason PvP'ers are not the first one to jump to strangle griefers, or so it seems, personally if I was a dedicated PvP'er, instead of PvP/PvE/Whatever have fun, type, I would be first in line to strangle those that grief and attack people without reason, because you know that is just going to hurt PvP in general.

Or the other way around.

 

[the_Monk]

Or the other way around.

[haha]

Sure.......griefing and senseless in video games has always been the RESPONSE to other behaviour!

Griefing is 100% a**hat behavior, not defensible in any fashion, the bane of all social interaction and begs no explanation / understanding. What is referred to as 'combat logging' however, does require understanding (as far as the DEVS are concerned anyway) and can be explained in any number of ways (which of course so many in these various 'cry baby threads' already have).

 

[CptSiddy]

1: P2P is not in itself a bad thing, the problem is the quality of internet connections people have vary a lot, a server however is not without problems either, and come with other limitations, for example look how even star citizen will have a 32 player cap, yet Elite's P2P is flexible enough so that instancing 102 people was possible without any real lag, pro's and con's on both sides. Also with Eve online, while it is comparable there is one massive difference that makes it so that Eve can do thousands of players and Elite cannot, namely, Eve is a click and point system, Elite is a first person twitch based game, and that has significant limitations, so yeah, instead of blaming p2p, maybe blame ISP's and companies giving crappy connections? and note, just because you have a high speed does not mean you have a 'good' connection, it could be restricted in a ton of ways while still giving you speed.

Star citizen is not yet released as a game so speculating about it is pointless. And Elite wing mechanics allow 4v4, so you could say that Elite is 4v4 max game. The fact that some places allow some people to see more than that is exception, not the rule. P2P is generally frowned up on in MMO because it is very open to myriad exploits when there is no impartial entity synchronizing everything and client is the final judge of things.

2: and this is the main reason Elite is not a PvP game? no mechanics revolve around it, you gain nothing from doing PvP that you couldn't against an NPC, and so Obsidian's point seems rather solid.

What?

3: This seems an odd statement, combat pilots can easily defend people from npc/pvp'ers in Elite? So yeah, I can say from personal experience having escorted miners, that this does happen, so yeah. unsure what you are referring to.

Combat pilot can strip to his pants and pole dance around miners too. And i can say from my personal experience that this should happen more often, more use of the pvp pilot that way, and pays better, too. In this game you don't need defense from NPC's and you don't need to see people because LOL SOLO mode.

And no, I don't think frontier should hire you....

Its their loss. And potentially, yours too. I could improve this game, considerably.

 

[HalloweenWeed]

We know what combat logging is, why it makes PvP players cry, and that the overwhelming majority of non-PVP players simply don't care about this.

It's not an issue for me, as I don't engage in PvP, seldom venture into Open, am not involved in Powerplay, and have lost nearly all my sympathy for this because it has been posted and reposted and hashed and rehashed so many times now.

If you really want to prove your combat skills, meet your opponent in an anarchy system, in a stock sidewinder, then you'll see who the better pilot is, not who has the bigger budget and the blessings of RNGesus.

I agree with this. Meh.