Occlusion Culling and the hardware survey: question to the tech comunity

[Lance Corrimal]

well, part of the results on my laptop could very well be because my laptop is set to "quiet" and the MSI tool to change that died with its last update.

I'll do the same comparison on my desktop later today...

 

[Northpin]

well, part of the results on my laptop could very well be because my laptop is set to "quiet" and the MSI tool to change that died with its last update.

I'll do the same comparison on my desktop later today...

definitely quiet setting will not help with fps.
You entire laptop is working at reduced TDP to keep fans from spinning to loud enough.

So yea, get it to performance / turbo / whatever then recheck

 

[Stanis]

That's probably the reason they didn't want to support VR on launch (besides foot VR which is another story)

True, but they knew there would be consequences for EDH .. And EDH is a VR game with a big community.
So, that's probably the reason they didn't want to support VR at all anymore...
but, ok, we will see this fall, we must take one thing at a time.

 

[Morbad]

well, part of the results on my laptop could very well be because my laptop is set to "quiet" and the MSI tool to change that died with its last update.

I strongly suspect that is the issue, but I'm not sure what specific mechanisms MSI is using for their "silent mode", so I'm not sure how to disable it without their software. You should try reinstalling MSI Dragon Center, using an older version, if needed.

Most anything that caps power or noise on a laptop is also going to destroy gaming performance.

 

[Lance Corrimal]

definitely quiet setting will not help with fps.
You entire laptop is working at reduced TDP to keep fans from spinning to loud enough.

So yea, get it to performance / turbo / whatever then recheck

the thing is, my desktop isn't doing any better

well, part of the results on my laptop could very well be because my laptop is set to "quiet" and the MSI tool to change that died with its last update.

I'll do the same comparison on my desktop later today...

OK, here's what I get on my desktop (i7-4770, 32GB Ram, Geforce GTX 1050 w/ 2GB VRAM)

First, horizons running the way I normally run it:
1920x1080, Borderless, Quality "Ultra": CONSTANT 60 FPS during auto launch and auto docking with a 'conda at boston base

Next, odyssey the way the game suggests to be run on my hardware (I renamed the folder with the graphics settings, as described in https://customersupport.frontier.co...ntering-low-frame-rates-when-playing-Odyssey-):
1280x720, Fullscreen, Quality "High": 17FPS while inside the building, 10-13 FPS outside. At a way lower resolution and quality setting - and this is a desktop computer that doesn't have a "quiet" setting.

So I guess it's understandable why I'm less than impressed.

 

[Lance Corrimal]

I'm not sure what specific mechanisms MSI is using for their "silent mode"

Mind, running it on my laptop was just a test to find out if a clean install and the better graphics card would make a difference. My main gaming rig is my desktop, I'm not going to replug all my controllers and all that stuff all the time...

 

[Morbad]

the thing is, my desktop isn't doing any better


OK, here's what I get on my desktop (i7-4770, 32GB Ram, Geforce GTX 1050 w/ 2GB VRAM)

First, horizons running the way I normally run it:
1920x1080, Borderless, Quality "Ultra": CONSTANT 60 FPS during auto launch and auto docking with a 'conda at boston base

Next, odyssey the way the game suggests to be run on my hardware (I renamed the folder with the graphics settings, as described in https://customersupport.frontier.co...ntering-low-frame-rates-when-playing-Odyssey-):
1280x720, Fullscreen, Quality "High": 17FPS while inside the building, 10-13 FPS outside. At a way lower resolution and quality setting - and this is a desktop computer that doesn't have a "quiet" setting.

So I guess it's understandable why I'm less than impressed.

From the accounts of others on the forum, it's essentially impossible to get acceptable performance out of EDO with 3GiB or less VRAM, especially after the patch that reduced the dropping of LODs to conserve local video memory.

 

[LKx]

the thing is, my desktop isn't doing any better


OK, here's what I get on my desktop (i7-4770, 32GB Ram, Geforce GTX 1050 w/ 2GB VRAM)

First, horizons running the way I normally run it:
1920x1080, Borderless, Quality "Ultra": CONSTANT 60 FPS during auto launch and auto docking with a 'conda at boston base

Next, odyssey the way the game suggests to be run on my hardware (I renamed the folder with the graphics settings, as described in https://customersupport.frontier.co...ntering-low-frame-rates-when-playing-Odyssey-):
1280x720, Fullscreen, Quality "High": 17FPS while inside the building, 10-13 FPS outside. At a way lower resolution and quality setting - and this is a desktop computer that doesn't have a "quiet" setting.

So I guess it's understandable why I'm less than impressed.

Are you in open or in solo mode? I remember during the alpha open hit the framerate quite a lot

 

[ferus]

Do you happen to have a frame rate cap or vsync enabled?

No matter where you are, Odyssey is going to need to spend more work to render a frame, so if you happen to be reaching the same frame rate cap in both, Odyssey will make your GPU work harder for it.

Yes, I had a cap of 99,99 Hz on refresh rate and 120 Hz on frame rate limit with Vsync ON. In Horizons I was easily getting 100 FPS everywhere with a SS x1,25.

In space both games reach 100 FPS but Odyssey is demanding more from the GPU. Although I don't see why and maybe that could be the problem?
Isn't Odyssey doing too much unnecessary work while rendering the same thing? Because there isn't much to render in supercruise I think.

I now lowered the caps to 60 Hz on both refresh rates and it's steady and my GPU can rest a bit.
I'm running a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X , with a RTX 2060 and 32GB RAM. The game is installed on a SSD.

 

[Morbad]

Isn't Odyssey doing too much unnecessary work while rendering the same thing?

I certainly think so.

 

[ferus]

I certainly think so.

Actually... I just tried to set SS to 1,25 in Odyssey too but my FPS dropped to about 30 in concourse.
When I reverted it back to SS 1,0 the FPS never recovered.
It seems as Odyssey "can't let things go"

 

[Morbad]

Actually... I just tried to set SS to 1,25 in Odyssey too but my FPS dropped to about 30 in concourse.
When I reverted it back to SS 1,0 the FPS never recovered.
It seems as Odyssey "can't let things go"

I'll have to try that one.

Edit: Tried increasing SS and then reverting it--without restarting, relogging, or rezoning--performance changed and was restored, as expected.

Could be something specific to your setup, but it's not a global Odyssey issue.

 

[Lance Corrimal]

Are you in open or in solo mode? I remember during the alpha open hit the framerate quite a lot

on Horizons I'm usually on Möbius.

 

[galahad2069]

i7-6700HQ, 16GB RAM, GTX 980M

Hey, my previous laptop had the exact same hardware (Acer Predator).
It's still in a pretty good shape (one of my daughters is using it), although I had to send it to have it repaired once.
During the PvP League Season 4 in 2018 we had a match vs CODE. That very day a few hours before the match the 980M died.
I told my teammates that someone was going to need to come in my stead, but somehow none of our substitutes had time that day to replace me.
The team did not want to forfeit the match so they convinced me to play regardless. I had literally no other choice but borrow my younger daughter's 11" netbook, hastily install EDH, the gaming mouse and keypad drivers on it, and enjoy a nice match in 720p low settings @ 40 fps.

We lost.

 

[LKx]

Hey, my previous laptop had the exact same hardware (Acer Predator).
It's still in a pretty good shape (one of my daughters is using it), although I had to send it to have it repaired once.
During the PvP League Season 4 in 2018 we had a match vs CODE. That very day a few hours before the match the 980M died.
I told my teammates that someone was going to need to come in my stead, but somehow none of our substitutes had time that day to replace me.
The team did not want too forfeit the match so they convinced me to play regardless. I had literally no other choice but borrow my younger daughter's 11" netbook, hastily install EDH, the gaming mouse and keypad drivers on it, and enjoy a nice match in 720p low settings @ 40 fps.

We lost.

Mine is an asus rog

 

[Lance Corrimal]

Something about that new laptop of mine is definitely off (pun intended) in regard to that "quiet" setting. I just hope MSI gets a fixed version of the control app out; it's only available on the microsoft app store so I don't see a way to get the previous version...

...anyway, the 3dmark website suggests that I should get about twice the 3d performance out of the laptop that I'm getting from the desktop... but here is the fun bit:

the only oher comparison that I have right now is running glxspheres on linux.
on the desktop I get close to 3800 FPS from that if i turn VBLANK off. Thats a GTX1050.
on the laptop, with VBLANK off, 550 FPS.
Definitely not right.

 

[Lance Corrimal]

ok, so I got that MSI performance setting tool to work again.
With the laptop set to "Maximum performance with cooler boost" the thing pretty much sounds like my wife's hair dryer.
In horizons: 1920x1080 @ Ultra with at least 60 FPS, in peaks up to 90 FPS
In odyssey at the same settings: 10-15 FPS.

meh.

 

[LKx]

ok, so I got that MSI performance setting tool to work again.
With the laptop set to "Maximum performance with cooler boost" the thing pretty much sounds like my wife's hair dryer.
In horizons: 1920x1080 @ Ultra with at least 60 FPS, in peaks up to 90 FPS
In odyssey at the same settings: 10-15 FPS.

meh.

That's more like it.
Now try odyssey ultra but with supersampling to 0.85x, shadows low, and ambient occlusion off (i'm not sure if this last one have any impact on it)

 

[Northpin]

ok, so I got that MSI performance setting tool to work again.
With the laptop set to "Maximum performance with cooler boost" the thing pretty much sounds like my wife's hair dryer.
In horizons: 1920x1080 @ Ultra with at least 60 FPS, in peaks up to 90 FPS
In odyssey at the same settings: 10-15 FPS.

meh.

That's more like it.
Now try odyssey ultra but with supersampling to 0.85x, shadows low, and ambient occlusion off (i'm not sure if this last one have any impact on it)

i would go for high settings, with supersampling 0.85, shadows low/medium, blur off

 

[Lance Corrimal]

I'd rather have it work properly on my actual gaming computer - you know, the one that has the good headset and the HOTAS... but i'l try.
Problem is, the laptop doesn't even have enough room to have EDO installed on a permanent basis.