ok i have to admit, there may be a problem

Hopefully that will put an end to threads like these, because it sure as hell won't stop scumbags (real or roleplaying) from being scumbags.

No, but it will (hopefully) mean they get real consequences for doing so, rather than a highly exploitable and broken bounty system.
 
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That was said early in his life. Later on he stated:

Man who only seeks certain victory will never find honor........

He also said "A man who chases two rabbits will catch neither."

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That doesn't have anything to do with this conversation, but I heard it the other day and I thought it was cool. :)
 

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I dont like whiners, i hate when people bang on and on about people killing u for no reason. i thought they might be exxaggerating becuase this was not my experience in the game.

however

i just convinced one of my steam friends to try this game. i decided to take him to a res and earn him some good cash tog et him started.

i instructed him to wait outside the RES so that i could go in and check it.becuase if it was a bad RES with low value pirates i could come out and go back in to reset it.

so there he is waiting outside combat rating harmless and sitting in a sidey.

im checking the res when he says to me oh ive been interdicted.

im coming i said and started leaving the res. he says dont worry this has happened before ill just warp off.

ok i think but i continue on toward him just in case.

he starts saying omg im dying. so i pick up the pace. cant find him in space. so i instructing him on how to activate a wingman nav beacon.

he activates it and i activate nav lock. eventually i get pulled out of SC.

and what do i find.

my friend in a harmless sidewinder. is being set upon by a player ina python.

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im in a python as well, fit for combat. i start to boost towards the enemy python opening fire as i do roughly 3km out.

i dont make it in and time my friend dies.

i was and still am absolutley disgusted.

i chased the enemy python into a nearby res. but he immediatley eneterd sc again. io followed but then got a proximity warning and dropped out of warp and lost him.

my friends and fellow CMDRs this behaviour is simply unacceptable.

there is no challenge no real victory in doing what the enemy CMDR in the python did. its like an adult picking on a child honestly.

it appauls me.

and you don't have another way? just cry about it in the forum?

it happens, get used to it, it's valid gameplay, move along
 
I completely agree with Cmdr. Sandmann. This kind of behaviour is, in my opinion at least, a clear indicative of clinical insanity. And by saying this I don't mean any offense to anyone, it's just my opinion.

As a clinical neuropsychologist I can tell you that 'this behavior' (meaning: shooting at people in a computer game) is in no way symptomatic of any disorder or psychiatric illness. You also may want to withhold judgement of others when you know nothing about them. Maybe this Python guy is a five-year old Hungarian girl who cannot chat in English and doesnt see the game as anything but a fancy space invaders pew-pew fest, for example. Would you call her 'insane'? You are ofcourse entitled to your opinion, but in this case you'd be wrong. ;)

The only differences with doing this kind of things inside a game instead of in RL are just legal.

You may want to think this through a bit more as well. :) Hint: ask yourself what you'd rather have: a friend being shot in Call of Duty, or your friend being shot IRL. The difference is not 'just legal'. I doubt you'd think the guy playing Call of Duty is morally equivalent to the real-life murderer. The difference between ED and COD is that ED allows for more diverse playstyles, meaning that people can encounter each other while having very different ideas about what ED is. It can lead to situations where someone may feel a great injustice has been done whereas the other person thinks it was a great session. But calling someone who pew-pews your little spaceship with his little spaceship a real-life psychopathic insane murderer is... a little bit off. IMHO!
 
And if one day Open is deserted because of the jerks, they'll come and complain that the game is dead :D

Oh yeah, they've already made several attempts to either close down solo/group, or stop people mode switching because they are running out of soft targets.
 
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He also said "A man who chases two rabbits will catch neither."

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That doesn't have anything to do with this conversation, but I heard it the other day and I thought it was cool. :)

He may (or may not) have also said.

"Man who goes to bed with an itchy arsehole wakes up with a smelly finger!"

As to the OP - whilst it seems like a very cheesy cheap kill it is allowed - though should be dealt with in game more effectively.

And on a side note - you did sort of drop the ball - leaving a rookie on his own in supercruise in bandit country..
 
and you don't have another way? just cry about it in the forum?

it happens, get used to it, it's valid gameplay, move along

Valid gameplay true, but without the appropriate consequences implemented yet. Amplifies why Frontier need to address the consequences for crimes, particularly the serious crimes like murder of a clean CMDR, sooner rather than later. Once those are in, there will still be scumbags out there as the gameplay allows, but at least then there'd be consequences for them to deal with afterward, unlike the present situation. I sometimes doubt these sort of players are really roleplaying as they claim though - more like they're scumbags anyway and just hiding behind the anonymity the internet provides - or compensating for something......
 
No, but it will (hopefully) mean they get real consequences for doing so, rather than a highly exploitable and broken bounty system.

That's what I mean, and the victim can take comfort in knowing that the agressor is suitably punished, and we can all get on with enojying the game in all it's many different flavours, including the I-want-to-play-as-a-complete-scumbag flavour.
 
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I completely agree with Cmdr. Sandmann. This kind of behaviour is, in my opinion at least, a clear indicative of clinical insanity. It doesn't really matter if this is a role playing game. The fact that someone chooses to behave in this way clearly indicates that he has this kind of needs. The only differences with doing this kind of things inside a game instead of in RL are just legal. The fact remains the same and the quality of the natural consequences (for both the aggresor and the victim) are the same.
I've been playing role playing games for many years, yet I never felt the need to make other people suffer. I don't enjoy that in any way, not inside nor outside a game. If you take the time to really think about it you may understand what me mean.
And by saying this I don't mean any offense to anyone, it's just my opinion.

Actually, while I really appreciate you being on the same page as me, that's not quite what I said. You can't call someone a psychopath in real life (or even infer that they probably have psychiatric disorders etc) from the way they play a game. The behaviour in question is disturbing but a single instance isn't even enough to say it's a an ongoing behaviour. It MAY be an aberration, mistaken identity, etc. I personally think (based on experience) that it was probably an intentional act but that's only an opinion and based solely on one person's description and previous experience here.

Either way though, as an in game behaviour it's fair to say the player was acting like a jerk and that their behaviour caused someone else's game to be less fun. A selfish act, at the very least.
 
I understand it can frustrating, but the thing is an NPC could have done the exact same thing.

Infact, when I first started playing I got interdicted by an NPC Anaconda.

I escaped, but still.

This will never end, stuff like this happens in real life. You don't know what someone feels/thinks/believes.

The world is a cruel and dangerous place, just like this game.


You can complain and be disgusted all you want, but the sad truth is there's nothing to be done.

Maybe if you remember the Commamders name you and your buddy might strike lucky in the future and you can enact your revenge ;)
 
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It's not Frontier's or Elites fault some people don't have the same concept of fair play as you.

It's better to have this happen while your friend is in a free ship with a free replacement, than later when he's worked up to a Lakon 6 and stands to lose 1M CR ship with cargo.

I would suggest using a private group until your friend has learned the ropes. Move out of heavily populated areas before moving back to open play.
 
That's what I mean, and the victim can take comfort in knowing that the agressor is suitably punished, and we can all get on with enojying the game in all it's many different flavours, including the I-want-to-play-as-a-complete-scumbag flavour.

Well hopefully it'll have the desired effect and reduce the number of people playing "I want to play a scumbag" since they'll actually lose out significantly by doing so for any length of time. It's the whole pavlovian conditioning thing, let's see if roleplayed scumbags are at least as smart as russian dogs. :)
 
"PvPer" & "griefer" are interchangeable then? I suspected as much.

I was fixing it to the correct terminology.

But sure if you want to call PvPers as griefers thats your prerogative (IMO, its wrong though), but that's based on your mental perspective/perception of video games and gameplay.
 
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That's pathetic, he's not crying about it he's raising an important point about things that could potentially drive much needed players (more importantly customers) away from the game !

NPC'S do the exact same thing, the only difference here is because it's a player and apparently they should have morals.

Unfortunately some people don't.
 
Valid gameplay true, but without the appropriate consequences implemented yet. Amplifies why Frontier need to address the consequences for crimes, particularly the serious crimes like murder of a clean CMDR, sooner rather than later. Once those are in, there will still be scumbags out there as the gameplay allows, but at least then there'd be consequences for them to deal with afterward, unlike the present situation. I sometimes doubt these sort of players are really roleplaying as they claim though - more like they're scumbags anyway and just hiding behind the anonymity the internet provides - or compensating for something......

This weeks dev update should be discussing these changes. We shall see what they are soon!
 
You could counter this by setting up traps.

I don't mean the people kind but you know. Let your friend do it again but this time you can set it up to help him faster, maybe bring another friend or so. Then bully the bully.

That was some great times in eve where people set up bait, it worked great. It should be here too.
 
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