What is this Mobious - he's in the Matrix last I saw
Open letter to Frontier
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I'm in Mobius and I frankly welcome the griefers. While I personally abide by the rules, it's good to have a little bit of tension when flying around. NPCs are no match for anything above a Asp flown by a half-decent pilot. These guys will get kicked out by Mobius soon enough anyway. Think of them as catfish for our soft carebear hides
i dont get it... if you like the tension of potential pvp, how come you are not in open (I am not having a go at all, its your game you fly where u like - within the rules hopefully) but if you want that kind of tension, mobius is probably gonna disappoint.
One way to deal with, or should I say several ways.
1. Better tools for the private group managers. (FD do not need to manage that at all)
2. Review the punish and crime mechanics in the game
3. Dedicate some sectors of space as prison sectors or systems.
---if you are convicted you will be transferred to these sectors for a given time, far away from populated space or closed by other means. One Idea i like are you are place on a planet with out a ship and need to figure out how to get of the rock, sadly this can only be done when space legs are an option.
1. Better tools for the private group managers. (FD do not need to manage that at all)
2. Review the punish and crime mechanics in the game
3. Dedicate some sectors of space as prison sectors or systems.
---if you are convicted you will be transferred to these sectors for a given time, far away from populated space or closed by other means. One Idea i like are you are place on a planet with out a ship and need to figure out how to get of the rock, sadly this can only be done when space legs are an option.
Has there been any official statement from the Smiling Dog Creeps yet, do they condone their members actions? Have they punished their member for being a ? Or are they all the same and revelling in spoiling other peoples fun just because they could? To be honest do I care, no, does it impact my game, no. It just highlights some little bags that want to QQ and pew pew and spoil others enjoyment in a game mode / choice they made. They went out of their way to spoil others fun in a targeted and calculated fashion. Why? because they are bored with the game play choice they made? because they could? because they are spoiled little keyboard warriors? or just because they could and get away with it. The point is that the Mobius guys work hard to keep their community running using the very basic tools that FD supplied, they put a lot of their free / personal time into managing a community and the SDC's used the limitations of the game to deliberately spoil others fun. They actually went out of their way to spoil other peoples fun, can know one see just how wrong this is, regardless of it being a game, regardless of there being solo and open, there are private groups for a reason, so people can play the way they want without interference, once again THEY WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY to spoil others enjoyment of the game.
I've not been following this thread much but I can't resist updating an old joke
1984
Dear Dave Braben and Ian Bell,
Thanx for making the Elite game. I cant dock but I like shooting the pirates and my cOBRA is cool!
Love Tom aged 6
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1994
Dear David Braben,
I think Frontier Elite 2 is amazing. I can fly anywhere in the Milky Way and I think I've found my own house.
Love Tom aged 16
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2016
Dear Trading Standards,
I have forwarded a copy of this complaint to my solicitor.
I wish to register a complaint against one Frontier Developments. Their most recent update to the computer entertainment product 'Elite Dangerous' provided private groups intended to allow us to "enjoy" the product without interference of the play styles of other individuals hereby refereed to as griefers.
Frontier failed on several accounts to appropriately police my private play session against these griefers and I hereby notify Frontier of my intention to proceed with action within a court of justice.
This has destroyed my life.
Tom Whiner
Aged 37
1984
Dear Dave Braben and Ian Bell,
Thanx for making the Elite game. I cant dock but I like shooting the pirates and my cOBRA is cool!
Love Tom aged 6
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1994
Dear David Braben,
I think Frontier Elite 2 is amazing. I can fly anywhere in the Milky Way and I think I've found my own house.
Love Tom aged 16
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2016
Dear Trading Standards,
I have forwarded a copy of this complaint to my solicitor.
I wish to register a complaint against one Frontier Developments. Their most recent update to the computer entertainment product 'Elite Dangerous' provided private groups intended to allow us to "enjoy" the product without interference of the play styles of other individuals hereby refereed to as griefers.
Frontier failed on several accounts to appropriately police my private play session against these griefers and I hereby notify Frontier of my intention to proceed with action within a court of justice.
This has destroyed my life.
Tom Whiner
Aged 37
Here's what I don't understand.
This entire time, PvPers have been telling the people who don't want to PvP to get out of open and into either solo or private. A bunch of people do as they say.
And in response the PvPers follow the PvEers into a private group and grief them? Are we sure this is really about piracy and not about griefing?
This entire time, PvPers have been telling the people who don't want to PvP to get out of open and into either solo or private. A bunch of people do as they say.
And in response the PvPers follow the PvEers into a private group and grief them? Are we sure this is really about piracy and not about griefing?
It's about having fun and being the baddest bad guys, in game and meta. Have a listen to this week's Lave Radio. It's quite enlightening.
Don't lump everyone that pvp's in this group you need to look at it from further out. The fact is if you want to grief invading mobius is like invading solo, it is the king of griefing your going to get the biggest rise out of your targets and you'll know the salt and tears will be flowing for every kill.
I understand the response from the people in mobius to this, but the response here on the forums is probably counter productive in the long run, it just makes it more fun for them to cause disruption, whereas silence followed by a boot would probably have robbed much of their enjoyment away.
The option to meet up and play in groups exists, the option to play in solo exists, what about the rights and considerations of people who wanted to play this game in an unrestricted, (slightly) populated, accurate representation of the open lawlessness of space? You don't think CCP just allows griefing because they think it's funny.
The bottom line is, the same people who are just *GASP* SO UPSET their demands haven't been immediately fulfilled and have just penned the LAST OPEN LETTER TO FRONTIER are equally deaf and unrespectful of anybody else's opinion outside of their own, because damnit their 60$ is the only 60$ contributed to this game that matters.
The bottom line is, the same people who are just *GASP* SO UPSET their demands haven't been immediately fulfilled and have just penned the LAST OPEN LETTER TO FRONTIER are equally deaf and unrespectful of anybody else's opinion outside of their own, because damnit their 60$ is the only 60$ contributed to this game that matters.
That play mode exists, though. It's called open.
The phrase "your rights end at the end of my nose" exists for a reason. Open is there for those of you who want to participate in PVP to be able to do so. When a bunch of players decide hey don't want to participate in PVP go off and create their own group (essentially doing what the PVP crowd told them to do, "if you want to be a carebear go do it in private"), the fact that PVPers followed them into said group is telling, because it's not about combat logging, or pointing out bugs in gameplay, or anything like that. They want to be to other players and call it "content delivery" or some other such garbage.
The phrase "your rights end at the end of my nose" exists for a reason. Open is there for those of you who want to participate in PVP to be able to do so. When a bunch of players decide hey don't want to participate in PVP go off and create their own group (essentially doing what the PVP crowd told them to do, "if you want to be a carebear go do it in private"), the fact that PVPers followed them into said group is telling, because it's not about combat logging, or pointing out bugs in gameplay, or anything like that. They want to be to other players and call it "content delivery" or some other such garbage.
Criminal harassment requires harm to take place, physical or psychological. Now if you are implying that people playing a computer game are being psychologically affected by the actions of other players in the game who aren't breaking the rules of the game that everyone accepts when playing, then I would suggest that those people stop playing the computer game as they are clearly too emotionally unstable to be interacting with other players in an online environment.
You blathered on earlier about Frontier having a duty of care, this is laughable. There is no such thing as a duty of care to protect your feelings in a computer game. None at all. Every line of your post is cod-lawyering using colloquial meanings for words that in law have very clear definitions. You are not a lawyer. You need to shut up before you make yourself look even more ridiculous.
Being pretendy killed by pretendy lasers, fired from a pretendy spaceship in a pretendy galaxy and losing your pretendy credits is not, and never will be, criminal harassment. No harm has been caused either physical or psychological, as you have agreed to play the ruleset of the game. FDev do not have the legal or moral obligations you claim that they do. Your argument is based upon a false supposition, that the actions of other players equate to criminality. They do not. Your argument that Fdev has liability/responsibility fails at that point.
Finally to call the actions of people in a game "Terror" and those performing said actions "Terrorists" is hyperbolic and such a ridiculous statement as to render anything valid you may have to say, completely ignorable.
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Yes to all of the above.
If there is a social environment, this including a computer game with multiplayer component, rules of social interaction still apply. Yes, life ain't always fair, there are ups and downs. But there is threshold of downs which won't be acceptable and this also applies in the games.
Players in Mobius have created their own set of rules and agreed on them. It doesn't matter if those rules were different than in the Open mode. Violation of rules player agreed when choosing to play in Mobius is a violation of social norms nevertheless.
How dare you tell people they are too emotionally unstable. Do you hold a degree in psychology? How dare you tell people to stop playing the game they want to play? You do not have the authority to prohibit people from doing something they enjoy. It is simply not your place.
FD don't have explicit legal responsibility as of now. Theoretically they can choose to do whatever they want with the situation. However, events taking place in Open (such as griefing the noobs) and certainly events that took place in Mobius, can be described as cyberbullying. Several countries in the EU already have legislation in place to fight and / or prevent cyberbullying. New legislation is being created and meanwhile, courts of justice are using existing non-cyber laws in their ruling. This in the UK includes Protection From Harassment Act. And yes, people have been sentenced for cyber bullying here.
Probably nobody would be interested in taking Frontier to court now, but this is something that may eventually happen. And it can be done based on current legislation in the UK. Just a lot of hassle, but not impossible. It's a matter of somebody deciding the case is worth the hassle and it's a matter of existing laws getting improvements (which will happen and will encompass cyberbullying). Online games are not exempt from the rules of social interaction and that's even before laws specifically including them were created.
Situations like this are also not good for business, both in terms of financial results (they are a PLC.) and reputation and public image of the company. And whereas people "ing on the galaxy" tend to bore easily and move on elsewhere not leaving much money in the company pocket, people who chose to make Mobius and play in Mobius, are here to stay and as such, continue to contribute towards the growth and financial results of FD. They have already shown this case mattered to them by giving Mobius groups the ability to ban people behaving this way and that's a good and welcome sign and a step into the right direction.
Yes, it is a hyperbola. However, that's what SDC group essentially are: terrorists. They show exactly the same behavioral patterns and personality traits as people joining ISIS in Syria. They thrive on chaos and publicity obtained through lack of regard for rules of social interaction, through barbaric actions and primitive views. They pose similar risk to the imaginary game world as terrorists to a civilized society. They are cancer and should be treated as such.
It's absolutely bewildering to me why Frontier didn't create legal framework for themselves to be able to permanently ban such people. After all, thrash is to be removed, not kept to rot and stink...
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You make a podcast blasting people for hyperbole, and inflating the current issues and, then you proceed to do just that.
Just a friendly heads up. Don't you mean mon ami?
Maybe DHMeyer is his MPD friend?
Why is this line of thought so rarely applied to SDCs actions, yet the innocent victims are told repeatedly to bend over and take it 'cause "IT'S A GAME!"? They had segregated themselves from the general population and were just playing a game, harming nobody, and a small group of people thought it was appropriate to go and ruin their simple enjoyment by means of deceit and simulated violence because they (claimed they) were butthurt at the thought of someone impacting their "JUST A GAME!"*
If it's "JUST A GAME!", "JUST LET PEOPLE PLAY IT AS THEY LIKE!" It's really not very hard.
*Obviously we all know they weren't butthurt about any PG influence on the BGS, they're just being lying because they're lying and that's what lying do. I'm amazed that so many people defend lying though.
Yes I have dealt with harassment, and I have recently spoken about my experiences of domestic abuse at the hands of my ex-partner. In answer to your question Yes, I do work in Media Broadcasting. I have worked as a producer, writer, director and most recently as a Director of Photography on a feature film. I have over 20 years of experience in front of and behind camera in a variety of roles and currently earn my keep as an editor and post-production specialist. So I certainly can and do have the qualifications and experience to broadcast.
Next time, please don't bring a strawman to a flaming torch fight.
Nicely worded!
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