Open letter!!!

yawn ...
let me support that iq a little bit: both "griefer" and "ganker" are thrown around here as an insult more often than not, most of the time not even correctly. like with all other words, it's all about context.

about being childish ... yep, full grown adults throwing tantrums because some pixel ship blew up.



hot air? hollow narcissism?
Hehe....I guess what I said hit home a little hard for you? Oh look I'd better help you get those toys back in your pram.
 
I dunno about banning them from the forum. For me at least when someone uses the term it tells me that person is generally not worth listening to. Same as someone who takes pride in calling themselves a ganker.

Normally its quite rare to find someone so willing to inform the internet that they're tragic.
Well the ones who take pride in it and enjoy the salt tend to have connections to that "epeen" word Rubbernuke mentioned.
 
Hehe....I guess what I said hit home a little hard for you?
why do you think that? because i pointed out a post reeking of perceived superiority and calling other people dumb while waving around some wrong assumptions about words? business as usual on the internet.

ganking and griefing are specific behaviors well known in the multiplayer gaming context. while there is sometimes difficulty to qualify some behavior as such, the meaning is still clear, and games usually set specific terms on that interpretation. in elite killing a player in the open world isn't ganking nor griefing per-se. most discussions around this are about actions that are unclear or definitely aren't ganking nor griefing.

"carebear" usually depicts extremely risk avoiding players which dislike any form of gameplay involving direct conflict with other players (participating in conflict from e.g. the safety of pg/solo is well accepted indeed). although the term is merely descriptive, it may be intended as an insult. which is indeed cheap, unimaginative and kind of nonsensical. however often people fitting this description are very vocal while being generally unable to accept valid gameplay as per the game rules, and making a fuss about ganking or griefing when it isn't. in that case "carebear" has the added signalling that the nonsense (of campaigning carebearism in a game/mode/context that doesn't endorse carebearing) isn't being bought. still not an insult but a pretty apt and meaningful colloquial shorthand description. in that case people are not describing you simply as a carebear, but a clueless or irrational carebear ... and come to think of it it's still a quite polite way to put it.

hope all this isn't to much for you, just hang on :)

Oh look I'd better help you get those toys back in your pram.
thank you! please please please fetch me that rubber iq ball, i'd like to chew on it!
 
The term is used as it's a quick, easy and well established way to summarise a common player type:
  • thinks all PvPers are 'griefers' and members of SDC
  • looks down on competitive or aggressive playstyles because they are too intelligent and socially advanced for that caveman stuff..
  • everyone else should be beholden to their moral code
  • is prone to armchair psychology
  • thinks cheating is ok when they get attacked by a player without consent
  • likes to taunt gankers from solo in system chat
  • makes sure any pro PvP idea or suggestion on the forums is shouted down, using adhominems if the poster is argumentative
I never met such a "common player type" on any forum or in any game. He/she does not exist.
Using such simplistic and juvenile generalizations to paint people with the same broad brush is the real problem. It is a the root of all evil.
 
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why do you think that? because i pointed out a post reeking of perceived superiority and calling other people dumb while waving around some wrong assumptions about words? business as usual on the internet.

ganking and griefing are specific behaviors well known in the multiplayer gaming context. while there is sometimes difficulty to qualify some behavior as such, the meaning is still clear, and games usually set specific terms on that interpretation. in elite killing a player in the open world isn't ganking nor griefing per-se. most discussions around this are about actions that are unclear or definitely aren't ganking nor griefing.

"carebear" usually depicts extremely risk avoiding players which dislike any form of gameplay involving direct conflict with other players (participating in conflict from e.g. the safety of pg/solo is well accepted indeed). although the term is merely descriptive, it may be intended as an insult. which is indeed cheap, unimaginative and kind of nonsensical. however often people fitting this description are very vocal while being generally unable to accept valid gameplay as per the game rules, and making a fuss about ganking or griefing when it isn't. in that case "carebear" has the added signalling that the nonsense (of campaigning carebearism in a game/mode/context that doesn't endorse carebearing) isn't being bought. still not an insult but a pretty apt and meaningful colloquial shorthand description. in that case people are not describing you simply as a carebear, but a clueless or irrational carebear ... and come to think of it it's still a quite polite way to put it.

hope all this isn't to much for you, just hang on :)



thank you! please please please fetch me that rubber iq ball, i'd like to chew on it!
What you fail to grasp is most games that are "mmo" with RPG elements (earning credits, buying stuff and inequality in equipment) have strict rules regarding PvP, where and when. Elite does not, meaning the players themselves need to "control" themselves IF they have the mental intelect to do so. Games that are "free for all" PvP like COD etc have no real inequality in equipment.

Someone ganking, griefing in a game like Elite for "the lulz" is a pleb, end of.
 
What you fail to grasp is most games that are "mmo" with RPG elements (earning credits, buying stuff and inequality in equipment) have strict rules regarding PvP, where and when. Elite does not, meaning the players themselves need to "control" themselves IF they have the mental intelect to do so. Games that are "free for all" PvP like COD etc have no real inequality in equipment.
elite does have very clear rules about ganking and griefing. alas, like everything frontier, the information is scattered across several official posts. in any case, they are the sole authority to sanction what is ganking or griefing. funny thing to note, ganking is NOT against the rules unless it degenerates into griefing, which is clearly forbidden. the players are NOT in position to control anything about this, except their own behavior.

Someone ganking, griefing in a game like Elite for "the lulz" is a pleb, end of.
i could agree with your general view about what constitutes positive/commendable behavior, but the way you sanction it (with zero authority) and the mere mention of "pleb" ... thanks for the info, but that's really a pointless statement.
 
I'm afraid this particular Open Letter has now been superceded...
 
elite does have very clear rules about ganking and griefing. alas, like everything frontier, the information is scattered across several official posts. in any case, they are the sole authority to sanction what is ganking or griefing. funny thing to note, ganking is NOT against the rules unless it degenerates into griefing, which is clearly forbidden. the players are NOT in position to control anything about this, except their own behavior.

i could agree with your general view about what constitutes positive/commendable behavior, but the way you sanction it (with zero authority) and the mere mention of "pleb" ... thanks for the info, but that's really a pointless statement.
IF you are a decent PvP advocate then why take offence at what I say? If I say paedo's convicted and serving prison time should be executed, that doesn't mean I want all criminals in prison executed. i.e. I am targetting a very specific style of player and not tarring all with the same brush at all, many many decent PvPers in Elite.

PvP has valid reason to exist in the game and it is spoilt by a minority who cannot control themselves and it's that minority that I am insulting. It's the same minority that in racing sims crash into people on purpose for the lulz, they have no interest in actually doing good laps and going fast, they just want to see crashes and spoil other peoples fun.

Gamers who get off on upsetting other people are fully deserving of the insults and scorn directed at them.
 
I'm afraid this particular Open Letter has now been superceded...
Excellent hahahaha! We're not the only place for nerds! ;)
 
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