I think you've quoted the wrong post, as it was not directed at you, but Robert Maynard's one.
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Open-Only in PP2.0?
- Thread starter August Lagrange
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Seems like they already made their choice who to "ignore", "listen to", whatever you may call it. Powerplay 2.0 was released accessible to all players in all modes without restrictions. What does that tell you?
It is amusing that they think that players who they believe are “cheating” (real, imagined, or not playing the “right” way) are magically going to stop cheating once coerced into Open.
As far as I can tell, from years of reading this forum, it tells me that certain attitudes have forced a lot of players who want emergent gameplay off the platform and the result is an echo chamber where only certain opinions get to circulate, and thusly the developer team is likely not getting the full picture regarding what's heathy regarding inherently PvP based systems.
if you believe those players who want "emergent gameplay" are not in their own echo chamber themselves, you are delusional. Even more so if you think Frontier base their decisions solely on this forum, reddit, Twitter or any other echo chamber.
In contrast to players who claim to speak for "the majority", "the real players", or any other group they want to claim for them, Frontier have metrics. Pretty sure they do know very well who plays in open, and if they want to engage in PvP or not.
Anyone is of course free to believe that the players on the forums somehow tricked Frontier into releasing PP 2.0 for all modes equally, but that is, frankly, their own problem.
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I never said they aren't, and clearly thats not actually the case, as there are a few of us left here who interact with both the PvP community and the PvE community, how many of you that strictly play PvE can say the same? I'd wager not very many. You'd much rather act like we all suffer from mental illness and are bullies in real life because it better suits the "accepted" forum narrative.
They might well have metrics, though equally, this is a very old game at this point, so who really knows how far they extend beyond player counts.
I never said they were "tricked", just that the forum is overwhelmingly filled with players who want their cake and to eat it.
A competitive system has no business being effected in modes free of confrontation, all that serves to do is shut specific playstyles out from interacting with the system. If FDev continue down this path, then we'll see the same thing as with the previous iteration of Powerplay; It will stagnate very quickly.
We're already seeing people leave due to the grind for modules being horrendous and the lack of competition regarding how the mechanics play out. This is not a good result for a new system, in fact, its rather undesirable.
Its can be regarded as a bad PvP/TvT system, but I think it is what originally FDev intended, but as usual, did a bare minimum job and made the usual mistake of assuming the best in its playerbase (i.e. "Why would they use Modes to avoid interacting with each other?", "They're not just going to grind out for 18hrs a day on this mindless activity, these people surely have jobs?"), hence the initial course correction of suggesting making it Open Only, followed by the reduction of this to a proposal of Weighting Open Only PP Interactions.
Assigning rewards for PvP interactions (which were present in PP1.0) and also highlighting stopping players supporting their faction from carrying out their interactions as a option of play (in PP2.0) seem to support this.
No reason to use OpenGood for you, no reasons to use other than open-play modes then.
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Because they made the game playable in different modes
It was never going to be Open only, it was never proposed by Fdev, neither has any reference to a weighting system.
That assignment type was added for folks in Open obviously, but that is far from being a step towards Open only.
All other tasks can be completed in any mode.
O7
It's the only somewhat competitive element of the game. Therefore it stands to reason that it should be open only or at the very least it should be incentivized.
You wont have to, it will never be Open only, but if you do want to play with other folks in PP2 without the risk of PvP you can join a PVE PG such as Mobius.
O7
Mate, I've logged around 60 hours in open since PP 2.0's launch, doing mostly bounty hunting, combat zones and hacking holoscreens of hostile stations. I haven't ran into a single PvP encounter in all this time. So much for 'hostile' stations that I haven't even been attacked by enemy powers in all this time, not even NPC's. They aren't even hostile, but completely ignore your presence. I can go up to their station, hack their screens and then ask for dock there... I've also never been interdicted either and I've been actively attacking and interdicting all hostile PP ships.
The only actual competitive element of the game has been completely babified in an attempt to target a larger target audience... in turn targetting none at all.
Pick your core audience for PP and stick to it. You do not have to pledge, you can choose not to opt in and go explore or something, whatever tickles your fancy. Me, I want elite to feel dangerous as it should be imo. If you just want to farm NPC's all day, that's okay. I've done so for 60 hours in open, no problem. Also not in far off systems. Mostly Sol +- 50 LY.
Im constantly attacked by enemy PP NPCs
The target audience was never PvP players, Power Play was always inclusive in which case they have done exceptionally well.
O7
Until factions are properly organized and start targeting specific systems, its unlikely you will see any PvP, such is the nature of a large galaxy.
Just sad that when they do organize, the aspect of PvP being a contributing factor is gonna be largely irrelevant as we know full well that a lot of people want to play as ghosts, disrupt the systems of others, with no chance at direct retaliation.
I really struggle to see the mindset behind that as anything but slimy.
Respect for being honest about it. Because thats really how it is. "Babified" is absolutely the right descriptor.
How did you get them to attack you? (Apart from attacking their fleet carrier?)
Try hauling rares from a station in a system with an enemy stronghold, i get attacked going in the station and coming out.
O7
That makes sense, yeah. They would attack you if you're carrying rare cargo. Any pirate would also...