OPEN ONLY
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No, you need open only, the game doesnt
but how them ganker gonna farm they opal or pimp they new build if they can't duck into solo for a minute?
how them imp gonna haul?
lemme talking about how them cg boi gonna use a shieldless cutter in open?
u ain't thought this through.
how them imp gonna haul?
lemme talking about how them cg boi gonna use a shieldless cutter in open?
u ain't thought this through.
Another win for the PC master race!
And so you think forcing them into open will make more players there to interact with? If they don't want to PvP that's up to them, you don't get to force them to PvP.
irrelevant.
even if there was open only what then when i'm playing on xbox and you on PS4? or you on PS4 and me on PC? or both of us on the same platform but in different time zones? or both of us on the same platform, in the same time zone playing at the same time in the same system and fail to instance together?
another (RP) way to think about it...here on planet earth where all of us who play elite dangerous live, how common is it that one of us runs into another player we are not friends with or seek out? how easy it is to stop another player from doing something if they live on the other side of the planet. and this is only a single planet. how common then would it be to always (emphasis on always) be able to quickly seek out any person you want in an entire solar system or spanning across solar systems?
the issues you bring up OP are mitigated by the transactional nature of the BGS. any action you can take against another player you can take against an NPC and it counts equal. the one action this does not allow is for a player or group of players to wholly cut off sections of the game, as can be done in games like EVE, to other players.
even if there was open only what then when i'm playing on xbox and you on PS4? or you on PS4 and me on PC? or both of us on the same platform but in different time zones? or both of us on the same platform, in the same time zone playing at the same time in the same system and fail to instance together?
another (RP) way to think about it...here on planet earth where all of us who play elite dangerous live, how common is it that one of us runs into another player we are not friends with or seek out? how easy it is to stop another player from doing something if they live on the other side of the planet. and this is only a single planet. how common then would it be to always (emphasis on always) be able to quickly seek out any person you want in an entire solar system or spanning across solar systems?
the issues you bring up OP are mitigated by the transactional nature of the BGS. any action you can take against another player you can take against an NPC and it counts equal. the one action this does not allow is for a player or group of players to wholly cut off sections of the game, as can be done in games like EVE, to other players.
If YOU want Open, then play in it, don't throw your toys out of the pram because others don't want to join your crusade. I paid MY money, I'll make MY choice, not you.
No, it's just I for one wouldn't want to share space with someone like you.Yes, because they don’t know how to play this game. They are afraid to meet other people
Ok sorry for this Threath...
So quite few misconceptions here.
Even if the game was open only, why would you expect to see much more players?
Fdev have said in a live stream, that Open was by far the most popular mode
I have participated in wars against 3 players factions for the control of 3 different systems... I have never to my recollection ever seen any of the opposing players.
- 1st conflict was against a player faction only available on XBox! 0% of interaction, I play on PC
- 2nd conflict was against a player faction only available on Playstation! 0% of interaction, I play on PC
- 3rd conflict was against a player faction of only players on PC, but in a +12 hour time zone compared to mine. so very unlikely I will ever see them
Then one of the big really cool things with Elite, the galaxy is HUUUUUUUUGE, the Bubble, consists of some 19 000 inhabited systems, add to this that each and EVERY system has on average ALOT of possible instances going on. Every station/outpos, every planet we can land on, every conflict zone, etc, etc creates its own instance. So that further limits how likely it is to actually meet/see another player in game.
I do agree with you that the ingame options to interact with other players are severely limited. And the nature of the game makes chat messaging bad....So you play on XBox, how easy is it to chat with another player WHILE flying your ship? That is not going to work really easily...
To make matters worse, we do not all speak the same language, that furthers puts limits on how you can interact with other players, if I only know Russian and you only know French, then how would any text or speech work between us?
So communication with any sort of ingame chat window is always going to be a fly your ship or type message....
Voice communication have other difficulties, and there several reason why players do not use the ingame option for this, ignoring the obvious no cross play issues.
- Players use Voiceattack on PC, that lets them add voice commands to control their ship.
- Players on PC use another voice chat, like Mumble, Teamspeak etc. that way they can talk to their friends regardless if they are in game or not.
- Players need to have a headset plugged in
- Language barrier, we do not all speak the same language
- Bullying, it is still a thing that people behave badly/improperly. Still know players that avoid voice chat with random players, or if they join on Mumble etc only listens, etc.
Then lastly, why do you need to interact with other players, and since this is an Open Only mentioning conflicts, we are down to PEW-PEW, and you are not basically complaining that there are no one to PEW-PEW. What good would that bring? Another source of information from FDev, where they acknowledged that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ents-UPDATED?p=4808539&viewfull=1#post4808539
TLDR
If Open was by far the most popular mode, and that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP, then what good would an open only selection bring?
sources to these statement above in the links
I'd love it if there was only open play. Being able to see and speak to fellow commanders while i'm on my travels would be great.
Unfortunately every time I have joined open I have lost the ship I was piloting within a few hours to other players. Being a carebear slave trading space trucker it would be great if there was some sort of PVP toggle I could turn on to avoid this while playing in open. Unfortunately this will never happen as open is PVP by definition so it seems I will be flying solo for the foreseeable future
Unfortunately every time I have joined open I have lost the ship I was piloting within a few hours to other players. Being a carebear slave trading space trucker it would be great if there was some sort of PVP toggle I could turn on to avoid this while playing in open. Unfortunately this will never happen as open is PVP by definition so it seems I will be flying solo for the foreseeable future
Each to their own.I'd love it if there was only open play. Being able to see and speak to fellow commanders while i'm on my travels would be great.
Unfortunately every time I have joined open I have lost the ship I was piloting within a few hours to other players. Being a carebear slave trading space trucker it would be great if there was some sort of PVP toggle I could turn on to avoid this while playing in open. Unfortunately this will never happen as open is PVP by definition so it seems I will be flying solo for the foreseeable future
I am garbage at PvP. Credits flow into your account, rebuys are cheap.
No surrender, death or glory! *
*Usually death.
If there was only one persistent game universe server, as with any other normal MMO game, I would agree to this.
The game should have been in a single global server where every one of us can see each other.
But FD went for the poor man's implementation of MMO..... instancing.....
So it pretty much makes it Open pointless. Because out of a community of thousands, you would only see a handful at any given time.
Hell, if you and a few friends wanted to get together in Open, you might not even see each other.
And the game's now become, not Star Wars.... but STAT Wars..... where players run stupid cargo missions and crap to .... "undermine" each other.
-- *cue howls of laughter --
How's THAT for Open???
ROFLMAO.....................
I'd love it if there was only open play. Being able to see and speak to fellow commanders while i'm on my travels would be great.
Unfortunately every time I have joined open I have lost the ship I was piloting within a few hours to other players. Being a carebear slave trading space trucker it would be great if there was some sort of PVP toggle I could turn on to avoid this while playing in open. Unfortunately this will never happen as open is PVP by definition so it seems I will be flying solo for the foreseeable future
Have you considered how such a function would work? You toggle off the PvP? What would change?
Obviously I shooting at you would not generate any damage, but what else?
Can I still ram you? IF I can I can I most certainly kill you that way....
So we remove ramming damage then... but we leave the collision detection, so I can now push you around.. causing all sorts of mayhem... like crashing into you near a station when you are going sub 100 and I pushes you over 100 you are now speeding and in the process I die, and you are now considered guilty with no pardon in sight, and killed by station.
So we have to remove collision detection all together, so now I just fly my ship and cover your cockpit. you see nothing else but my ship... So that is not going to work, and this is one of the it breaks immersion moments, and then you get logged into the station mail slot due to you not seeing that big Beluga coming the other way..
So we now have go back to have rudimentary collision detection so that we can make the other ship transparent, so it will not block your view.....
So please elaborate how you are envisioning how the PvP flag system would work...
I have alternative solution to the mess a PvP flag would create... and by itself it would not put any limits on how I could kill you, that I can do today... but instead the focus is to remove most of the negative aspects of the getting killed... So I kill you, and you are clean, then this could be a new set of rules that applies to you on the rebuy screen. If you are a wanted criminal, then this does obviously not apply...
- No rebuy
- Any cargo/passengers on your ship when you died, is restored
- Any NPC pilot onboard is restored
- You get new options on rebuy screen:
- Respawn at the closest station
- Respawn at the closest planet base
- Previous system you jumped from
- Last system docked in
- If you had mission cargo that got dropped, etc, it is restocked, so you can go pick it up again.
So basically the only thing you should loose is time, not credits, and that is why we added the respawn at the closest station/planet base. This can potentially make up for the time time loss, especially if you get to respawn at the station/base that you where headed to in the first place!
And this also have the potential to make PvP easier for players to engage in, as there is now no monetary costs involved in loosing your ship, so it does not matter as much if you die a hundred times because you are learning how to fight... So you can spend your time learning instead of doing the milk run to save up enough rebuy money to keep going...
No escape of the engineering stuff though, but still that is a one time deal per module/weapon...
You can't trade with other people and even if you could, its not like doing so would do much to the BGS that someone can't do by themselves. Make alliances you can do anyway via forums and discords etc. Interactions you can have with other people because other people do play open. According to FD by a large margin.
You say if all the group are in solo/private, but that isn't usually the case, again, open is the most popular group.
When you read 230 ships in a system, that isn't ships. That is visits. Even by people who are not stopping in system, just jumping through. And if someone is doing trade runs or whatever over and over, every time they visit it puts the counter up by 1. And remember, that is over the 24 hour cycle, not at any given moment.
The fact that systems can appear empty is because even if there was a single mode, most systems would be empty a lot of the time. You want player interactions, go where the people are. If there are any number of players where you are, you would already most likely be seeing them.
What i wish FD had done, from the beginning, (hindsight is perhaps a wonderful thing) was to spin up 2 separate galaxies. One with PvP enabled, one without, separate BGS. Then we wouldn't have been having these threads on a monthly basis.
Having said that, would we probably would have had instead is monthly threads from people complaining that the PvP enabled server is dead and that they hardly ever see anyone and how they never see anyone flying a trade ship because everyone is flying PvP meta ships, so piracy doesn't exist, etc, and how FD should merge the servers so they see more people.
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Oh there are quite a few. You'd be surprised!
That is rather inaccurate as every time I pop into Jameson Memorial I'm practically tripping over CMDRs. Secondly, if OpEn OnLy were 'enforced', you'd find a large amount of PvE pilots learning PvP purely to protect themselves. You'd eventually get bored of getting blown up or chased off by irritated BGS players.
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I think maybe telling people that they only have one choice in an ‘open world’ game is problematic.
Having said that, I think all new players should be forced to spend the first 20 hours of the game driving an SRV on a low gravity planet before they’re trusted to take a whole ship into space. Then and only then will they be allowed for the next 50 hours to sit in the back seat of a ship whilst a proper pilot flies them around, droning on and on about how it’s so important to obey the speed restrictions when exiting a space station. Of course in their day they didn’t have auto docking and the summers were longer and the sweets were bigger and music was proper, not like this new rubbish. After all that, you get a physical licence through the post from Frontier, then you’re allowed to co-pilot for the next 50 hours. Then there is the theory test.
Having said that, I think all new players should be forced to spend the first 20 hours of the game driving an SRV on a low gravity planet before they’re trusted to take a whole ship into space. Then and only then will they be allowed for the next 50 hours to sit in the back seat of a ship whilst a proper pilot flies them around, droning on and on about how it’s so important to obey the speed restrictions when exiting a space station. Of course in their day they didn’t have auto docking and the summers were longer and the sweets were bigger and music was proper, not like this new rubbish. After all that, you get a physical licence through the post from Frontier, then you’re allowed to co-pilot for the next 50 hours. Then there is the theory test.
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.... or just not play the game anywhere near other players.
.... and possibly just give up playing a game that had baited-and-switched from being a game where PvP is entirely optional (while all players affect the single shared galaxy state) to one where particular content had been retroactively PvP-gated to Open.
Some want to play together and some don't, the game allows both types of play. In additon PC, Xbox & PS can't play together so try joining a group for similarly minded people on the same platform as you.
If you want to bother randoms during their spare time go down the pub - it's highly likely you'll only do it once.
If you want to bother randoms during their spare time go down the pub - it's highly likely you'll only do it once.
The most pertinent and succinct answer so far in this thread.