Open play trolls

Disappeared from ED, and the forums, for months. Nice to see things haven't changed, not that I expected them to even with the crime & punishment system in place.

I think randomly blasting people out of space for no reason is serving no positive function, it can only lead to driving people out of open or away from the game completely leaving fewer and fewer targets as time goes on. It only takes a small amount of time to send a little message to say you're blockading a certain system/CG, doesn't need to RP or anything like that just something to justify it to the victim. But, this will never happen because the people doing this want the feeling of satisfaction from watching a ship pop, regardless of whether their target stood a chance or not.

But, it is what it is and I don't see it changing anytime soon as nothing has changed since release. Well, engineers were added meaning those with a lot of free time get more of a chance to Lord it over those who don't.

Please don't take this as an attack or complaint, it's simply how I view it.
 
I wish I had a dollar for every message in-game, on reddit, on youtube ect saying things like they hope I get in an accident and die or my family dies ect. I would be rich. I don't see PvPer's saying things like this.

Here is just one example of an in game message I got. https://imgur.com/a/lXZbphttps://imgur.com/llzUvwy

They're just RPing a deeply upset person in game. They're not really like that - but it wouldn't be very good roleplay if this stuff happened and they just shrugged.
 
1. Im not a rat.
2. When people say this kinda thing to me, well it's nothing as bad as I hear at work haha.
3. I am only showing this here to show that the white knights that parade around here, are not what they seem.
 
I am only showing this here to show that the white knights that parade around here, are not what they seem.

This doesn't show that at all in any way shape or form. You have no idea and no way of telling whether the people who are saying "c'mon" here are the same people who sling abuse at you after being shot down in game.

You are attempting to sully and silence the opinion of people you disagree with on the basis of what some other entirely unrelated people did. This is clearly not a valid tactic
 
1. Im not a rat.
2. When people say this kinda thing to me, well it's nothing as bad as I hear at work haha.
3. I am only showing this here to show that the white knights that parade around here, are not what they seem.

So you aren't bothered by it? Why take the pic? I'm not saying it's right but I've never had anyone say anything like that to me. The way I treat other people may or may not be a factor.
 
They're just RPing a deeply upset person in game. They're not really like that - but it wouldn't be very good roleplay if this stuff happened and they just shrugged.

I get worse out of game. Plus there is people that get a lot worse that I get. Death threats and everything some people receive out of game.

The whit knights on around here are not what the pretend or think they are.

But it all make me laugh. Its all stress relief to me.
 
So you aren't bothered by it? Why take the pic? I'm not saying it's right but I've never had anyone say anything like that to me. The way I treat other people may or may not be a factor.

Why take a pic? Its all funny to me, that these people pretend to be one thing and then act differently.

Whether it's messages in-game or out of game I get, It all makes me laugh.
 
I get worse out of game. Plus there is people that get a lot worse that I get. Death threats and everything some people receive out of game.

The whit knights on around here are not what the pretend or think they are.

But it all make me laugh. Its all stress relief to me.

Do you have a specific person in mind, or are you generalising by putting 'white knights' in the same box as the toxic player you encountered?

There's toxic behaviour at both ends of the PvP/PvE spectrum.
 
I get worse out of game. Plus there is people that get a lot worse that I get. Death threats and everything some people receive out of game.
Sure sure - we've seen your screenshot that you thought was the most egregious - not impressed tbh.

The whit knights on around here are not what the pretend or think they are.

People disagreeing with you aren't necessarily "white knights" (you should look up what that means) and again you have zero evidence that they are in any way related to the people who have been rude to you. OBVIOUSLY.

I dunno if there's even a named logical fallacy for that, it's so obviously nonsense.
 
How come you are blaming people who didn't write that message to you for that message?

I didnt think he did.

He was just using that as an example of things that are happening. They people deny.

Tell you what Ziggy, go play the bad guy for a while. Go kill some other players. And see for yourself. Every PVPer experiences this.

Once again this is all coming back to whos taking part in certain areas of the game. There are people that have experience. And people that dont.

Go try killing some traders at a imp vs fed CG.
 
The only thing I am talking about that pertains to you. Is you justifying it even though you didnt do it. It doesnt matter.

There are plenty of other people that do it.

And you are basically justifying the toxicity. Even though you are saying you havnt done it.

Stop pretending like it doesnt exist. And its not one sided here.

I didn't do that though did I, which is why you've once again failed to source it.

Look I get that you are incredibly upset about a load of random stuff that happened in the game and out of it, none of which involved me. Use block and/or report the individuals if you find it upsetting.

But it has nothing to do with me and I don't care, so go shout your random imaginary grievances at someone else.
 
I wish I had a dollar for every message in-game, on reddit, on youtube ect saying things like they hope I get in an accident and die or my family dies ect. I would be rich. I don't see PvPer's saying things like this.

Here is just one example of an in game message I got. https://imgur.com/a/lXZbphttps://imgur.com/llzUvwy

Well, that's pretty disgusting. The shrugged shoulders and consensus of "Oh well, I guess that's what you get when you blow up people's spaceships..." is pretty disgusting, too. I used to be a strict PvEer, but it was this attitude that drove me away, ideologically speaking.

I've blown up plenty of people in the "game" and never once wished genuine harm to them in real life, much less their families.
 
I didnt think he did.

He was just using that as an example of things that are happening. They people deny.

Tell you what Ziggy, go play the bad guy for a while. Go kill some other players. And see for yourself. Every PVPer experiences this.

Once again this is all coming back to whos taking part in certain areas of the game. There are people that have experience. And people that dont.

Go try killing some traders at a imp vs fed CG.

I don't think there is any more denial about Toxic PvE players (playing in open when clearly they would be happier in a PvE group) than Toxic PvP'ers. In each case a few spoil the broth and neither are good for the game imo.

Ziggy already plays the bad guy, s/he is ruthlessly ambivalent ;)
 
Less than an hour in open play and killed twice by trolls for no reason, no bounty.

While doing the community goal at that. Seriously what do you gain by ruining open. Play experience for new players

Just because you had no bounty, it does not follow that you were destroyed for no reason. Let's analyze your logic.

1. The commander was destroyed.
2. The commander had no bounty.
3. If a commander was destroyed, and the commander had no bounty, then the commander was destroyed for no reason.

4. Therefore, the commander was destroyed for no reason.

I have no doubt that premises 1 & 2 are true. It's premise 3 that I question, as well as your conclusion.

Premise 3 is logic of the form "if A and B, then C". If-then premises express the logical relation of implication. Implication relations assert that under no condition can the antecedent be true but the consequent false, but all other truth value permutations are valid and preserve the truth of the overall implication. Thus we can refute an implication by giving just one example in which the antecent is true but the consequent false. That is how, in logic, we show that an if-then proposition itself is a false premise.

The antecdent is "the commander was destroyed and the commander had no bounty"; the consequent is "the commander was destroyed for no reason". So the be specific, we need identify only one scenario in which the commander could be destroyed, with no bounty, and yet was *not* destroyed for no reason. In other words, if we can simply identify the existence of any other possible reason for the destruction, then your premise 3 will be refuted, and your conclusion will be shown to be invalid.

Now, here are *50* reasons for unprovoked attacks: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/5f18s0/50_valid_reasons_for_unprovoked_attacks/

Take that in: *50* different ways to refute your argument. Your argument just got attacked and obliterated from 50 different vectors all at once!

And there we have it...a deductively valid, mathematically certain refutation of the underlying logic of your (tragically flawed) original complaint.
 
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