Any additional changes to add more modalities will only exacerbate the problems, not eliminate them.
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Any additional changes to add more modalities will only exacerbate the problems, not eliminate them.
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Not strange at all. The bottom line is quite simple
Are you in the mood for interacting with people
If no go to solo.
If yes are you in the mood for complete interaction with people.
If yes go to ALL/Open. If no
Are you interested in interacting with people but no interest in PvP combat.... If yes go to Möbius... But as this is not really fair on him then PvE makes sense.
The fact is not everyone enjoys PvP and those that do many do not enjoy it all the time. This is not a slur against those who do like full on PvP but gaming is entertainment and what floats 1 persons boat is different to another's.
whether or not it makes the problem worse is debatable, but I never said it would eliminate the balancing problems
16% of 400.000 is?... Mobius will need to quit his daytime job, and forget about playtime all together..
Did someone call for Ben Dover?... Yeah, pirates pirating pirates. YARGH!!!
(just kidding, it's a joke, Open is the bees knees, and the only place for real men (and women - get the reference?) to hang out. Settle down... )Hope this post isn't too cryptic...
The only thing i'll never understand is why did you and everyone else in Mobius group bought this game ? You buy a game you didn't like and ask to change one of it's core mechanics, not to fix some gameplay features. It doesn't work that way
I don't ask everyone to be a victim. I was a trader too. Open PVP world makes you think how to avoid pirates, avoid dangerous systems, inventing new tactics to run from a pirate, ask your friend to escort you, or maybe hunt a pirate for some vengeance. And you know, lot's of people like being such "victims" cos it's really interesting and fun. As for those, who don't want to think, the game must force them to adapt or stop playing, noone should give them a pacifist's heaven.
So why did you bought this game if you don't enjoy Open world without restrictions ? Sorry, but that's your problem. I hope you are ready to play a dead game, when much more, then 7000 carebears will leave.
Well, as i see it became a magical saving argument. I'll say 90% of them are actually playing and happy with it, try to argue. And they don't feel a need to organize a group or something. And there is a little group of players who want to broke the game for the vast majority. How ? More paddocks -> less people in each of them. And Elite is a game with a huge freaking world. I guess you have to go.
Just uninstall and forget.
There is a good example of what developers should do - Blizzard. I remember playing D3 and WoW. And almost every patch there were tons of people, from hundreds to thousands, who whine whine and whine about nerfing a super popular sword or removing a feature. Thery organized large groups and made petitions. And know what ? Blizzard never give a s**t about them. They had their vision and they are super popular and successful.
Lol I had to make a double take at that comment!
I take it you have not seen the open group solo mega thread?
LOL, you are correct "they" will never get it, a "happy to be mugged but NOT killed" decal I might buy
.They won't get the fact that I played from PB1 to mid Gamma exclusively in open, apart from the few times when it was to laggy for me, I was lucky, but I haven't been in open once for ~ 2 months now.
They won't understand that getting pirated by a proper RPing pirate is one of my best memory's of the game so far (in nearly a year) but I still play Mobius or Solo (depending on how I feel, how selfish of me to deprive them of the "pray" they deserve), even though I can lose my Asp 10 times before I will be worried.
ROFL, I lost the Asp last night, again (~ 1.2 mill + ~ 35 tones of rares) as I panicked after getting scanned, it made me 1) ROFL, 2) remember I need to get my video recording sorted, 3) get annoyed with myself I forgot 2, as it would reboot 1 many, many times.
They really won't understand the only reason I am not in open is because I don't want to meet "them", and spend a minute of my time being "their" content, no matter how much they think should and "they" somehow deserve it!.
Now what would really melt their minds (puts on rose tinted glasses), you remember Beta, Freeport was the bad place, I remember posts about "I was in the combat zone in Eranin & a CMDR on the opposite side attacked me" with replys like "Well you were on the opposite side, but I wouldn't do it personally". Ahh back in the day, when people posted "I am trying to do some comparisons on DPS of lasers, I need a target to help" and people did, call me crazy but back then it seems like it was almost a mainly PVE game.
Six systems, many thousands of players, regular wipes of saves so nothing to lose, and we never got the PK bug, its almost like it "was" a PVE game, but hey what would the early backers know about the game, DDA etc, what FD were making (the game they want to play), what we bought into back then. People even reported bugs to FD and then did not exploit or share them, just waited for the fix.
Even later in the "pill" I don't remember any "I got PK" posts, maybe I was too busy following the great gimbal debate or similar to notice.
I have faith that the Crime Update will bring some proper consequences for PKing whilst helping pirates & bounty hunters earn more in their chosen professions, I hope they bring in an "appropriate response" from the law too at the same time, in a no law (anarchy) system you should be able to kill with less consequence than in a high security system.
Could you imagine the uproar if one of the next updates has;
Fixed a non gimbaling gimbal widgit.
Fixed a vertical whatumacallit
Fixed a bug where CMDR's killing unarmed trading ships (AKA PKing) with no bounty's, empty hold will double the cost, were not being penalised correctly, please see "rare and meaningful" statement.
Fixed the forum to automate the removal of "I quit", "ED sucks cos" & any posts starting with the word "So"
Recruited 100 more mods with quick links to PVE, DDA, "rare & meaningful" & "we are making the game we want to play" quotes.
Fixed a signal vs noise issue.
Fixed a crash in SC where purple unicorns spawned Thargoids
PS
I did try to get online a couple of times back in Beta to come fight you in Freeport, I was always too late, I remember your posts "Hi I am in Freeport from x time to x time I will be near the station, I want to test my ship setup, bring a friend if you want. If you message me first we can stop at 50% hull if you like, if you sneak up on me maybe not
, I don't mind either way & don't worry about me, I got plenty of insurance".I am not going to throw away an Asp right now but, Lol if you ever fancy it PM me Mr Rabbit, maybe we can meet in stock sidey's or something, I never expected to win, I still don't, I just wanted to take you up on your kind offer, I still have a lot to learn.
PPS
I am not paying for the therapy for anyone who has a breakdown trying to work out why 2 solo players might meet up for a fight (but not with them) or why they used to be open players who were happy to fight on occasions.
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With all due respect sir, I agree most, but not all, I wish they did
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Yes, solo / groups / open thread would be 50 pages not > 500.
1. It's not a core mechanic, otherwise solo would not exist
2. Mobius is working, it's just a worrying single point of failure
3. I personally expected systems in the core to be more secure, and for bounties to be more of a deterrent. I was wrong.
4. You can't really appreciate the risk until you play for a few weeks and realize what PvP could cost you in insurance for non-starter ships
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<grins> Add any threads starting with 'Let's discuss... ' too please.
So, I quit. ED sucks cuz they nerfed purple unicorn thargoid farming!!!!!!1!!
That's how I play the game I bought for my personal fun.
If I want to be alone, solo, don't mind friendly company then Mobius, in a good mood, happy to share some cargo with the pirates (and risk PKing idiots), Open, I can make 1* insurance in 1.5 - 2 hours its not a massive loss to me, I would shrug it off.
My choice, to play my game, that I bought with my money and play in my limited free time.
Mobius is a nice guy who started a group for people who didn't want PVP & did not have any other option other than to start a private group, I doubt he ever expected it to be so popular.
Its not fair that 1 person has to manage even the invites alone, FD should be able to replicate Mobius, link it to the menu & call it "OPEN PVE", Mobius only had to boot 4 people ever, FD could run PVE on the same honour system, 1 tick box "I agree if I attack another CMDR in PVE outside of a combat zone, with the said CMDR having chosen the other faction I will pay the full costs of my mistake, not be allowed to join that group again & suffer 50 lashes (ok maybe a week in PK hell or solo). FD have the data to make it work & ensure it is free of problems from day 1.
May I ask when you bought ED, you seem to think you know a lot about the game, but your forum account (& IMHO understanding of ED to) are only 3 weeks old, yet I am trying to change the game?
I am no pacifist, and to answer "i'll never understand is why did you and everyone else in Mobius group bought this game ? You buy a game you didn't like and ask to change one of it's core mechanics, not to fix some gameplay features. It doesn't work that way" are you sure, many of us bought this game a long time ago on the basis of what FD kickstarted.[/QUOTE]
I bought this game after a lot of research, knowing that open, groups & solo existed together, all effecting the same universe, did you think it was open only?
LOL I have waited 30 years for this game & had to built a new PC to run it, I been here since 20/05/14, I have never mined a rock, gone exploring (things I am saving for the future still) because I am in no rush, I am still in an Asp, because I am still having fun doing what I want to do, I will still be having fun with the DLC I have already paid for some time next year, and the year after (with or without you). And NO I will not be uninstalling, the last time I was told I couldn't play elite was 1984 / 85 I think I did something naughty and mummy was upset.
Now we agree on something, post launch a bunch of people whining there is not enough PVP, hopefully FD will do the same & ignore them and continue to work on the content, some of which I hope will get us back towards "rare & meaningful"
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Thanks for the input, you are correct I did miss that one, along with many others I am sure
I would like to add any post that has the whole title in capitals & anything starting with "this is an open letter to" are also included.
OK best not take it too off topic, I am sure there was a thread about it previously (has a flash back to June 2014 where an Alpha backer explained to me how the box with the word "search" next to it works
).Happy days
has a flash back to June 2014 where an Alpha backer explained to me how the box with the word "search" next to it works
is the answer 'not very well'?
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I am from the open mode but am all for this PvE mode so that players who wants to play it that way could.
But I really hope frontier would not allow players to jump between different mode with one character. I rather
they let us create different characters in different modes... and they stay there.
But I really hope frontier would not allow players to jump between different mode with one character. I rather
they let us create different characters in different modes... and they stay there.
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Thanks for the input, you are correct I did miss that one, along with many others I am sure
I would like to add any post that has the whole title in capitals & anything starting with "this is an open letter to" are also included.
OK best not take it too off topic, I am sure there was a thread about it previously (has a flash back to June 2014 where an Alpha backer explained to me how the box with the word "search" next to it works
Happy days
You forgot to mention posts which start out "as a kickstarter/founder/alpha/beta/premium beta backer". You're sure to drown in a wave of overwhelming entitlement
You and me both (and I'm the OP), but let's not discuss jumping in this thread. Don't want to risk a merge with threadZilla over there, and I've been warned against such discussions by the mods
ROFL, it was more in the context of "use it" but yes, putting in Thrustmaster Tflight did point me in the direction of several posts that would take 4 hours to read & not answer my questions.
I wasn't to bad though, 11 threads started in 10 months, mostly when I was new, ~ half asking for help with something (that I had searched & couldn't find) a couple sharing stupid crashes and one thats relevant here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=96666&highlight=
The last sentence from me is "I am so glad I met a "proper" pirate tonight, thanks for the fun & I think I will click on "open" a lot more often because of it."
I meant every word, the forum made me change change my mind, I would pick open PVE over Solo or Mobius if FD include it in the start menu and police it.
I will take another look at open when the crime update has settled in.
You forgot to mention posts which start out "as a kickstarter/founder/alpha/beta/premium beta backer". You're sure to drown in a wave of overwhelming entitlement
I am happy to add them to the list too
I must say though (not being one myself, I found out too late) you have to respect people that KS the game, they did risk real money to make this game happen, without them we wouldn't even be having this conversation, this is the first Beta I have been involved in, it was worth every penny to me, I enjoyed the process, bugs / wipes the lot.
I have had my fun for what I paid for this game, I am a happy customer in general, (what should have been here at launch is another subject), but I am still loving this game & still hope it will resemble what we were promised a year ago. I would be surprised if I am not still playing in a few years time & still having fun.
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