Why ?
But this is the same mate. Open with PvP and Open PvE is exactly Open vs Group vs Solo discussion
Now Open PvE is a Mobius group.
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Why ?
But this is the same mate. Open with PvP and Open PvE is exactly Open vs Group vs Solo discussion
Now Open PvE is a Mobius group.
I disagree on "separate commanders", and you are missing the point with "you do not need to deal with somebody, you can always flee, i repeat - you do not need to have any PvP in Open mode at now if you dont want it. You decide about PvP, not a person who attack you". That point being.. was attacked in the first place.. even by running.. I am dealing with someone.. You are dealing with them the moment they start to interdict you. Fight or run your still PVPing.. do not want...
Because that's the way I like it.
Of course I understand you would prefer it the way you like it.
Sure, and propably you Win.
Now You can drink a champagne
Really, if it is a problem i can say anything. However, to gain more immersion to gameplay it is better to fly to a less populated systems where you meet nobody. And you have PvE in more sophisticated and gentleman way
It is better than flying with cloaking device
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Sure, and propably you Win.
Now You can drink a champagne
I have a beer - I'd pop one for you if you were nearby!
Robert Maynard
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Why change the design that Frontier published over two and a half years ago, developed and released eight months ago? We all backed / bought a game with these core features included in the game design.
Well back in the glory days of Star Wars Galaxies, players could join either the Rebellion or the Empire. Once you chose your faction, you could then choose when to be 'active' in the galactic war and open to PvP combat with members from the opposite faction, or you could choose to be 'on leave', and basically play PvE only.
Why not have two modes of play: Solo and Open. Solo is just that, like it is now. Open is with EVERYBODY, but people get to pick and choose a faction with the ability to go 'active' for PvP or stay out of it. Active PvP players would show up on your radar as "red" if they are in an enemy faction. Or if you want to blast away at people in your same faction go to a CQC or make an option to invite open combat. This way the Galaxy stays populated with players, and those that want to PvE can, and those that want to PvP can as well. Of course there are flaws with my suggestions - but whatever... you all can pick it apart and figure it out.
Why not have two modes of play: Solo and Open. Solo is just that, like it is now. Open is with EVERYBODY, but people get to pick and choose a faction with the ability to go 'active' for PvP or stay out of it. Active PvP players would show up on your radar as "red" if they are in an enemy faction. Or if you want to blast away at people in your same faction go to a CQC or make an option to invite open combat. This way the Galaxy stays populated with players, and those that want to PvE can, and those that want to PvP can as well. Of course there are flaws with my suggestions - but whatever... you all can pick it apart and figure it out.
Sure, no problem, but these modes should not be mixed, and should not use the same commander. I wrote why a few post upper.
(you do not need to deal with somebody, you can always flee, i repeat - you do not need to have any PvP in Open mode at now if you dont want it. You decide about PvP, not a person who attack you. Please loot at this mate: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=130815 - and any other modes than Open are just useless. Solo OFFLIne would have a sense, but you know ...
Serious question: in your proposed split world, which CMDR are allowed in PvP Open and which in PvE Open? When they give a second CMDR slot, is anyone who wants PvE Open forced to start again from Sidewinder as punishment for defecting? Or can they take their existing CMDR into PvE Open and from then on PvP Open is removed from their login options? How does the split occur and how do we safeguard it as fair and equitable?
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What about a pro-PvP CMDR who "accidentally logs into the wrong Open" and finds out ED have disabled friendly fire so they can't go shooting fish in a barrel. They then cry to ED they made a terrible mistake and want out of the locked mode. Ho much Customer Service overhead would that create?
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What about the repeatedly mentioned "Solo Farmers who then bring their super ships into PvP Open"? Are they allowed to continue to play with their ill-gotten advantage? Or does ED do a recursive search and block PvP Open access for any CMDR slot that has ever played in Solo or Group? The devil is in the detail.
Robert Maynard
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Indeed - the single galaxy state is shared between all modes (and now all platforms too with the introduction of the XBox One version). It has been a core feature of the game as described by Frontier since the beginning.
Why ?
But this is the same mate. Open with PvP and Open PvE is exactly Open vs Group vs Solo discussion
We will agree to disagree. IN my eyes it is not a vs anything.. it is a request to help players new and old find a mode they want.
Not exactly
We backed also for solo mode (btw, not important for me)And the answer is - there are a hundreds of pages where people arguing about it. In any other game there is no so much tense discussion about it. This design is wrong (in my opinion) and should be changed a long time ago. But wasnt and as FD said it will NOT be changed and discussion wil continue
New and old players are different?
A few my colleagues started play in ED in last month, and they play only in Open.
I am not negating a sense of Open PvE, i understand people who want it because they want it, but in my opinion there should be a different slot, and it is probably totally unreal, but the should not share the same galaxy and economy.
We can agree, disagree, FD know all arguments and they do what they want, it is better for all of us to play the game, get a drink, than discussing about it again, again, and again.
Cheers!
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Sure, and propably you Win.
Now You can drink a champagne
Really, if it is a problem i can say anything. However, to gain more immersion to gameplay it is better to fly to a less populated systems where you meet nobody. And you have PvE in more sophisticated and gentleman way
IN your opinion yes.. but that is not how I or many other see it. I had my fill of the PVE type experience that Open provides in EVE.. and I do not want it. I'm here to play a game.. not worried that someone is going to come by and blow me up for Jollies or whatever. I have a mental issue.. I associate.. it is why I cannot play games like Battlefield, COD, and the like... I play warships and WT but I have to be careful and play limited to try and keep the association out of it.
And it is why I do NOT want to be FORCED into any type of PVP action here.
No problem, and you should have different slot.
Why not? As you said you do not want any PvP. Ok - so it will not affect you.
They can just copy your existing CMDR to a PvE environment and you can continue your career in PvE, but for PvP you will have other slot. Why not? They make a copies for beta
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Why? If you get a copy of your existing. And you do not want PvP at all.
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Ok, we all effect the BGS.. what would "copies" of the same commander in a PVP mode and a PVE mode mean? If they are the same then why have 2?
No problem, and you should have different slot.
Why not? As you said you do not want any PvP. Ok - so it will not affect you.
They can just copy your existing CMDR to a PvE environment and you can continue your career in PvE, but for PvP you will have other slot. Why not? They make a copies for beta
So what options are available to CMDRs who select PvP Open? Only that one? Everything else is greyed out? They can never make use of solo if they are away on business and have a laptop and a rubbish hotel wifi? And there is no penalty for the Billionaire solo farmer with his full Battle Conda and 100x rebuy to select Open PvP as his new home? Aren't these the players you want to exclude? The ones who feel haven't earned it the "proper way"?
And this is another glitch. We should not effect the BGS, i mean PvP and PvE shouldnt. However, playing in safe PvE environment give you a hadicap, you will gain better ship and more money, you will be more powerful than players in a PvP environment.
It is just not fair
Maybe FD will give panther clipper for a 1000000000 cr and as you know, you will get it faster in PvE. It is only example but i think you catch what i mean.And of course, someday you can feel the need to play in Open PvP - ok, no problem but in other cmdr slot (another copy from the point of separation) to just make it fair.
Mixing PvP and PvE is just unfair, especially for PvP players.
This is called a 'consequence of a choice'. If you are farmer in PvE you will play PvP on other slot, because farming in PvP is harder and it is not fair for other players.
If you are hardcore PvPer and life throw you to hotel with a laptop - you need to live with it, play on another slot on PvE or stay away from trouble for a couple of days. To be honest, you need to find troubles in Open, if you want them, and finding them is not easy
So problem solved.And there is other bad social consequence. People are farming in PvE and get to Open and troll/grief here. If Open PvP would be restricted only to Open PvP, then culture of gameplay would raise here. I am not saying it is low, i like Open and i am playing almost only there, without any troubles, but person who trolling (that legendary griefer who all of people are scared (apparently someone had seen him)) in Open and Gaining stuff in PvE would think twice, when he would choose between group of players, without possibility to easy switch.
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And this is another glitch. We should not effect the BGS, i mean PvP and PvE shouldnt. However, playing in safe PvE environment give you a hadicap, you will gain better ship and more money, you will be more powerful than players in a PvP environment.
It is just not fair
And of course, someday you can feel the need to play in Open PvP - ok, no problem but in other cmdr slot (another copy from the point of separation) to just make it fair.
Mixing PvP and PvE is just unfair, especially for PvP players.
This is called a 'consequence of a choice'. If you are farmer in PvE you will play PvP on other slot, because farming in PvP is harder and it is not fair for other players.
If you are hardcore PvPer and life throw you to hotel with a laptop - you need to live with it, play on another slot on PvE or stay away from trouble for a couple of days. To be honest, you need to find troubles in Open, if you want them, and finding them is not easy
You aren't answering my question. When in the theoretical future you got what you wanted and ED created a second CMDR slot, one for PvP, one for PvE, what choices do existing CMDRs have? In short, who is "allowed" in your new PvP-only mode? All existing CMDR if they make a choice, to move permanently? Or only "pure" CMDR who have never logged into other modes except Open before? What about new players, are they informed straight away that one slot is PvE only and one is PvP only?
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Is it the first time a CMDR logs in after the schism, the mode they choose is permanent for that CMDR slot?
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