Operation Enigma, breaking the code!
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This little post from reddit shows exactly the mentality & hypocrisy:
"The Official Code Response Regarding The Blockade Of Hutton Orbital:
- We believe that scrap was chosen as the resource for this CG in order to "deincentivize" piracy. We take this as an insult as we are part of this community and will participate whether you want us to or not.
Touchy. Maybe they need a waaaaaaaaaambulance...
- The creation of the Hutton Mug breaks the rule of the original competition which stated that the station/system must not have a rare good present, and Hutton Orbital has Centauri Mega Gin.
No. The original competition was to create a single new rare commodity, under the rules originally stated. Due to the level of support that the Hutton mug campaign received, Frontier decided to create two new rare commodities instead.
We see the creation of the Hutton Mug as a golden opportunity that was wasted on a gimmick. We as pirates love to pirate rare goods and this commodity is likely never to be traded due to the travel time required to purchase it.
'Golden opportunity' for... what, exactly? Beats me.
Now, here's the absolutely hilarious part:
All that said, we are not heartless. After a long discussion we have decided to show an act of mercy to the traders that wish to continue to contribute to this illegitimate goal.
We The Code are demanding 500,000,000 credits in total for lifting the blockade at Hutton Orbital at Proxima Centauri. We have twenty-five pirates requesting compensation for their effort in the blockade, each satisfied with 20,000,000 credits in settlement.
We assure you that if the demand is met, we will withdraw our presence from Alpha Centauri for the duration of the community goal. However, if this lingering display of mercy is neglected or refuted, we intend to further our effort in our blockade and future blockades.
Edit 2: It's been 5 hrs. and I guess no one wants to save those traders caught running our blockade. The rate is now 550,000,000 credits.
Probably because many people ducked into solo and didn't care about the blockade. Also because a lot of players started showing up in open at Hutton with Pythons, Vultures, Anacondas, Fer-de-Lances and other well-armed and equipped combat ships.
They claim "over 400 players" destroyed. Out of... over 2000+ CMDRS in the CG. I also question this number; how many of those kills were repeaters coming back to fight again? I wonder how many Code players were trounced or scared off by the well-equipped combat ships showing up.
There's this response from the wonderful Jognt:
"Considering that several of the griefers at Hutton were comparing their actions with the Columbine highschool shooting on Twitch I highly doubt RP was of any importance for this."From reading the forums it would appear that Group X has just done a superb advertisement for Mobius and other anti-gankers groups.
As they say, "pure comedy gold."
"The Official Code Response Regarding The Blockade Of Hutton Orbital:
- We believe that scrap was chosen as the resource for this CG in order to "deincentivize" piracy. We take this as an insult as we are part of this community and will participate whether you want us to or not.
Touchy. Maybe they need a waaaaaaaaaambulance...
- The creation of the Hutton Mug breaks the rule of the original competition which stated that the station/system must not have a rare good present, and Hutton Orbital has Centauri Mega Gin.
No. The original competition was to create a single new rare commodity, under the rules originally stated. Due to the level of support that the Hutton mug campaign received, Frontier decided to create two new rare commodities instead.
We see the creation of the Hutton Mug as a golden opportunity that was wasted on a gimmick. We as pirates love to pirate rare goods and this commodity is likely never to be traded due to the travel time required to purchase it.
'Golden opportunity' for... what, exactly? Beats me.
Now, here's the absolutely hilarious part:
All that said, we are not heartless. After a long discussion we have decided to show an act of mercy to the traders that wish to continue to contribute to this illegitimate goal.
We The Code are demanding 500,000,000 credits in total for lifting the blockade at Hutton Orbital at Proxima Centauri. We have twenty-five pirates requesting compensation for their effort in the blockade, each satisfied with 20,000,000 credits in settlement.
We assure you that if the demand is met, we will withdraw our presence from Alpha Centauri for the duration of the community goal. However, if this lingering display of mercy is neglected or refuted, we intend to further our effort in our blockade and future blockades.
Edit 2: It's been 5 hrs. and I guess no one wants to save those traders caught running our blockade. The rate is now 550,000,000 credits.
Probably because many people ducked into solo and didn't care about the blockade. Also because a lot of players started showing up in open at Hutton with Pythons, Vultures, Anacondas, Fer-de-Lances and other well-armed and equipped combat ships.
They claim "over 400 players" destroyed. Out of... over 2000+ CMDRS in the CG. I also question this number; how many of those kills were repeaters coming back to fight again? I wonder how many Code players were trounced or scared off by the well-equipped combat ships showing up.
There's this response from the wonderful Jognt:
"Considering that several of the griefers at Hutton were comparing their actions with the Columbine highschool shooting on Twitch I highly doubt RP was of any importance for this."From reading the forums it would appear that Group X has just done a superb advertisement for Mobius and other anti-gankers groups.
As they say, "pure comedy gold."
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There is no inconsistency.
The community reflected that they see our RP reason as being OOC, and we are taking that into consideration very seriously.
As for the demand for ransom, I say that is within RP reason.
We stayed to fight the combat ready vessels, to my knowledge.
You are most welcome, please do me the favour of reciprocating.
I have spent quite a while looking for a reply I made to one of your posts a month or so ago, I really did spend 30 mins on google, using the exact words from my post, it was significant enough to me to copy it into a word doc, I just wish I copied the url too, live and learn.
It might be my google is broken or I am out of googles again, but on the basis that I did not receive an infraction, nor a "word of advice" from a Mod I will repost it here in full.
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY GLUTTONYFANG
What on earth did I walk into...
Something of your own making?
Hold on, before you start targeting your collective Solo/Group rage at me, I would like to clarify that I don't hold particular grudges against Mobius, since Cmdr Beltane showed me that Mobius deserves to be respected to a degree.
Why now? and why only to a degree?", I will hold my grudge against CODE for ever, I could deal with you taking over an old worlds rares system, but the moment Veg&mash and his buddy invaded Mobius you lost all integrity, people have stood up and posted personal info here, that they have serious issues due to military service for example (you know those hero's that have fought for their country's, lost friends in battle (not pixel . real people with familys), the same ones the "open only" crowd refer to as "Cowards" for avoiding non consential PVP or Open, by a bunch of fracking kidiots, they avoid it for their mental health and well being, not to rob you of giggles, some people make my blood boil
However I feel that as much as it hinges quite a lot on a single player to maintain a large group, the said group should have very detailed and organized succession system that it will function on its own. Therefore the concern of a sudden collapse is not the fault of anyone but the organization/group itself lack proper constitution/regulation that handle these situations.
The possible "sudden collapse" is not an issue, making all players aware of a PVE option in the game (something FD advertised at KS as an option), via the menu rather than the forums, facebook, twitter (or reddit, the one FD don't use), why should CMDR's have to find out about a PVE option via forums (when less than 10% use the forums, this option should be available to all via the log in screen (why does the CQC which we never backed, asked for or told about get a separate login but not an established group of 10k players, are they worried too many will choose it?)
Creating a PvE mode on top of everything we currently have will further thin-out the number of players available in Open. As my reputation presents me, I am a well-known Open mode supporter. Thus allow me to protest against this further dilution of Open Play population.
Really, so what!, players that want your type of interaction can click Open others can click Open PVE, why are you so worried about advertising a PVE option to the 90% that don't use the forums, surely it is better they know all the options and choose, rather than click Open due to ignorance of the options they have.
If I was FD, I would question the integrity and functionality of your group considering its size for not having a set of policies and settled clauses that deal with exceptional situations instead of going through the trouble of making another mode.
Mobius ma, I am sure FD can replicate it, its part of the game already, they could even run it on an honour system just like Mobius (here you go, I know you don't get it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour), FD could control the group better, they can check facts and ban people (no need for flags or magic shields), I believe Mobius banned 4 people so far, 2 were from CODE, 2 unknown (in 6 fracking months, CODE are half the Mobius ban list! Tossers!
Because as it stands, I understand Mobius' ideology is that it despises PvP and wishes to annihilate it from the face of the planet. Really you don't have a clue, you should really do some research, you only make yourself look stupid with such comments Therefore creating a mode that disables the ability for Cmdrs to shoot at one another or damage one another seem to call for an additional mode labelled PvP if we honor FD's stance of equal and valid. All this work to compensate proper player group management/set up seems to not be worth the time, to me. If anything, it puts another dent in the community.
Wrong again, Mobius group is not anti PVP at all, anyone can PVP in a combat zone, not done it myself yet but personally I will PM the other CMDR first to ask if they would like a fight or join me in a wing to cooperate against the AI (laugh all you like it happened all through Beta in Open).
Basically we are looking at:
PvP
PvE
Open
Group
Solo
I feel that this do nothing but further separate the playerbase, causing even more fragmentation within the community. If we delete Open/Group form the equation, we are looking at disgruntled Open players who want unexpected player interaction outside of PvP, and disgruntled Group players that want to be able to shoot one another without going into PvP. If we don't delete said modes, we are looking at slicing the playerbase even thinner. I understand that some players came in this game looking for PvE/Group restricted experience, but I would like to think we are not catering to it at the expense of other players.
You can arrange a fight with anyone you want any time, I think you are worried people that people who have no interest in being your content might realise ED was build in a way to let them avoid it, I only fly in open in my type6 running rares, because I want to be pirated, the rest of the time I use groups or solo, why should anyone who is not on the forum lose that choice, it needs to be a menu option for all not just forum users who read a post about it!
Again, I will clarify that I hold no grudges against Mobius, I understand that my syndicate has particular disputes with your player group, but I wish to put that aside in this discussion.
Why the Frack would you hold a grudge against Mobius group? Really why what did the Mobius group do to you? they did nothing to you!, CODE disrespected Mobius, Veg&mash overstepped the line not giving a crap about other players, you will reap what you sow, I hope your harvest is ten fold what you plant.
I speak for myself only OFC but you on your chips, 2 CODE members screwed it up for all CODE members, I fly in open in my type6 looking to share rares, the only thing U will see from me is an in game log off or self destruct, I will not give any of you a ton of fish or a single word or second of my life online.
I never left open due to ganking etc (and I have run via lave, Diso & leesti for a month, never got robbed), I left open because I met "some" obnoxious people on the forum that I would not want to spend a moment of my in game time with, welcome to the list, you earned your place!, you are right behind Veg&mash. If I could block "you few" in game I might play in open a whole lot more. Shame as I am sure there are some decent Code pilots out there.
I never met any of you in open & I spent enough time on your doorstep in the last month, but no more, I would like to apologise to any decent CODE pirates, I am sure there are many but a couple of gobby agressive pricks with no morals messed it up for all of you!
Fly safe, and continue to wonder why Open seem empty. When you are gone many may return!
ETA I screen shot the whole post and copied the URL this time, just in case it gets lost again.
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What is interesting is that it's been revealed that the Hutton "op" was "a spur of the moment decision" because "[we] were bored to tears."
That seems like a nice "harvest" for our side
Also, I love the fact that most of us are boring Code to tears. Seems like legitimate emergent gameplay to me
That seems like a nice "harvest" for our side
Also, I love the fact that most of us are boring Code to tears. Seems like legitimate emergent gameplay to me
Pretty sure it's not something of "my" making. Though thank you very much for putting your time into this, it's appreciated.
I've never done anything to Mobius even before Beltane earned respect from me for Mobius, people earn my respect, they don't automatically possess it. To the degree that I respect Mobius' playstyle, this was made clear in many threads already.
The situation about Majin is regrettable, I personally do not endorse the action in question nor do I support it. However, I respect his free will in that sense and he does face the consequence and take responsibility for it, in the end. Please do not appeal to emotion, people that have military service background is no more "important" than anyone else. Even if we do employ that example, we have an overwhelming amount of veterans, as well. Who got referred to as grievers and kids in their basement, etc.
I advice against masked swearing.
I understand why some people get emotionally upset, but some people do indeed take it to the extreme with emotional appeal and fail to deliver logical arguments. Majin shouldn't have done what he did, in my opinion. I criticize his behavior, but I don't have the right to apologize on his behalf, he is his own person, he is aware of his actions and their consequences.
I already posted about the problem with "invading" other player groups and misbehaving in another thread, I will summarize here:
We try to rely on the security system of the group in question, but will take action against members if we receive complaint from said player group and will advise said player group to ban the member in question. We consider modes other than Open universes of their own, thus our jurisdiction does not extent to another universe. We will actively listen to complaints and cooperate with other groups, but in the end, we are depending on the integrity of players and the security of said groups to execute necessarily justice outside of what we can carry out as disciplinary actions.
Ever since the case of Majin, I have never heard of any report of similar offenses, and we did criticize Majin for his action. However, there's no doubt that there is heat between him and Mobius, a grudge we cannot intervene upon unless there's further violation of the code.
Allow me to question, as well. Why should Cmdrs have to find out that combat logging isn't taken seriously, that Cmdrs can escape into other modes to avoid players, etc?
As for the comparison to CQC. Mobius, to my knowledge, is not an officially recognized group that FD has absolute jurisdiction over. It is not an official group, just like the Code. A relatively large player group does not change its intrinsic property--a player group.
Because the idea of "Open" isn't about PvE, nor is it about PvP, it's a mix of both. Making the two mutually exclusive somewhat betrays the idea of "Open."
Do you know how much human resource is going into that if it is established? There's always going to be silly people that violate rules for the sake of violating rules, and considering how lightly FD takes offenses of things, unless there's a hard mechanic that stops Cmdrs from damaging Cmdrs in PvE, there's no end to it.
Also, we are leaving quite a lot of players that stand neutral on the subject out of the picture. What if there are Cmdrs that want PvP in the sense of interaction with the possibility of hostility and those that want pure hostility? Should we start creating modes base on those, as well? How much further do you wish to divide the community, exactly?
I think your attitude is deviating from being healthy to something else. I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
It was a hyperbole, if it wasn't clear. I am fully aware of how Mobius operates.
You seem to ignore the player base this game has attracted, and that is to no one's fault but FD for reaping maximum revenue despite entertaining a severely fragmented community. Basically what we are demonstrating here.
The problem is, why should we need to arrange a fight? Why isn't it naturally incorporated as a part of the Universe?
If you already know people can avoid Cmdrs, why ask for an entire separate mode? It's solitude, or people. Why are we shoving in a third "people that you can't shoot at?"
Because some people cannot handle being attacked? I'm sorry, that is not what I define as an open world. I understand the preference argument, but I feel that the group function already compensate for the issue. Asking for an entire PvE mode is, to my understanding, an infringement upon how I enjoy Open and serves as a tool to further diminish the population of the mode I enjoy as it is.
I already made my compromise by pushing for the flag system in Open, what concession have you made? Or does the concept of reconciliation ever cross your mind by any chance?
If you don't know, I was treated with much aggression by Mobius before I came to know the grudges between the two player groups for simply being a Code member, so I'm clarifying the issue.
Again, I advise that you stow you emotion.
I think you have issues separating your emotion from your argument. I suggest you learn how to communicate with others in a more tolerant fashion and try this again.
Either way, I think I understood the productive parts of your comment. Thank you for your feedback.
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You are welcome, I have avoided being pedantic and you may notice a trend in the points I replied to (I could have answered everyone but I deliberately avoided it).
I have stated it before and will again, my biggest issue with the code is incursion into the Mobius group, it has not happened again, lets hope that does not change.
"I would like to apologise to any decent CODE pirates, I am sure there are many but a couple of gobby agressive pricks with no morals messed it up for all of you!"
I won't retract that but I will say on the balance of probability most of the code likely are OK, I have stated previously I would rather self destruct than spend a second of my time interacting with code, I might re-evaluate that stance, I will have to give it more thought.
Good luck herding the cats, you will need it. The code will be judged by their actions, both future and past.
PS
Did you apply for a minor faction?
if you did and you want to keep it its time for you guys to re-evaluate a few of your SOP's.
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If it happens again for no good reason, contact me, I will do everything in my power to see the individual prosecuted in our syndicate.
I understand.
That's how we should be judged, indeed.
PS
Did you apply for a minor faction?
I think S7 would prefer that I do not expose any information on the subject. I think we are in the process of doing so and debating over the issue, that is all I can offer.
Again, thank you for your input.
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You're making the argument for a seperate Open Only mode for me Dave.
Hi mate, don't quite know how you derived that but yes, lets have an open only mode, and a PVE one too.
And lets discuss it here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169599, keep all our mod friends happy
Wouldn't want to get my thread merged now would we
It is perhaps good that this is being done BUT it would have been better if for things like the Hutton Incident the breaches of "known and existing" rules of engagement were avoided in the first place.
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Are all your members fully aware of your particular playbook and it's implications? Perhaps everyone that wants to join "The Code" should be vetted for their understanding of it and a general agreement to abide by it? From what I have heard, there are at least some that may have joined the group with no knowledge of (or perhaps no intention of following) the rules it allegedly operates by.
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The operation itself was not executed well, some that breached known and existing clause of the code during the operation received their first warning (out of three). And yes, every member is expected to be fully knowledgeable of the code, claiming ignorance of it is not an admissible plead.
Please don't call it that. It wasn't an "operation". It was a bunch of losers with thinly veiled excuse for ganking. Please stop referring to what you did as some sort of complex, carefully planned tactical operation. It's like you believe you're some sort of highly coordinated military outfit.
You're not. You're really really not.
You are free to express your opinion.
mxcross2002
M
Dave1235
Dangerous
Operation Enigma, breaking the code!
OK lets get all emergent here
Point of this thread, gathering volunteers to work against the code, seen it mentioned a few times in the last day or two in relation to Hutton, what this has shown is they are very sorry, wont do it again but are keeping the Mobius gankers, pad squatting cheats and anyone else, but if they do it again, a few more times, they will be in big trouble.
I saw a few posts saying fight back, great idea I though, but not yet.
I popped over to Leesti and it was Reynhardt Intellisys they support IIRC, you can counter them with Alliance bounty’s, just drop them at Leesti, unless something changed, but no, lets just wait a minute don't burn out, play the long game.
In a few months we will get minor factions, as soon as the code get their one undermine it, work against them until their faction is gone, I spent 50 hours on the Hutton Mug, I will spend hundreds eradicating the code, join me.
So add your name here, and we can start a list for the "Leesti Defence force", lets wipe those scurvy dogs off the face of the..... er Galaxy or at least Leesti.
But not until they have a minor faction to wipe out, lets wait and do it properly "Jita has to burn" (no never played Eve, just been here a while).
PS
Rep to anyone who can guess why the code PR machine has been running at full speed for the last couple of days, rofl. Did someone have a "Gerald Ratner" moment.
Oh did I mention, all actions are to be carried out in solo or group mode, sorry my idea, I make the rules
looking at your grand plan mate i think you got your work cut out finding follower's , i think you'l find people on this forum talk a good fight , so good luck with that .
and no i am not code , i am with MOBIUS PVE but i watch with interest at what goes on around me , and a little advice if your trying to recruite folk best not start with
( My idea my rules ) sounds a bit spoilt child , you should at least give them the chance to contribute to the cause .
Point of this thread, gathering volunteers to work against the code, seen it mentioned a few times in the last day or two in relation to Hutton, what this has shown is they are very sorry, wont do it again but are keeping the Mobius gankers, pad squatting cheats and anyone else, but if they do it again, a few more times, they will be in big trouble.
I saw a few posts saying fight back, great idea I though, but not yet.
I popped over to Leesti and it was Reynhardt Intellisys they support IIRC, you can counter them with Alliance bounty’s, just drop them at Leesti, unless something changed, but no, lets just wait a minute don't burn out, play the long game.
In a few months we will get minor factions, as soon as the code get their one undermine it, work against them until their faction is gone, I spent 50 hours on the Hutton Mug, I will spend hundreds eradicating the code, join me.
So add your name here, and we can start a list for the "Leesti Defence force", lets wipe those scurvy dogs off the face of the..... er Galaxy or at least Leesti.
But not until they have a minor faction to wipe out, lets wait and do it properly "Jita has to burn" (no never played Eve, just been here a while).
PS
Rep to anyone who can guess why the code PR machine has been running at full speed for the last couple of days, rofl. Did someone have a "Gerald Ratner" moment.
Oh did I mention, all actions are to be carried out in solo or group mode, sorry my idea, I make the rules
looking at your grand plan mate i think you got your work cut out finding follower's , i think you'l find people on this forum talk a good fight , so good luck with that .
and no i am not code , i am with MOBIUS PVE but i watch with interest at what goes on around me , and a little advice if your trying to recruite folk best not start with
( My idea my rules ) sounds a bit spoilt child , you should at least give them the chance to contribute to the cause .
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I was going to leave it to cool down for a bit but a PM I received today is worthy of a mention.
I have not asked for permission to quote him, so I will not quote directly, nor mention his name OFC, for reasons that will be obvious in the next sentence.
"I have PTSD due to my service", "Because of this I dislike confrontation, even on a forum", "Much appreciated"
I have not asked for permission to quote him, so I will not quote directly, nor mention his name OFC, for reasons that will be obvious in the next sentence.
"I have PTSD due to my service", "Because of this I dislike confrontation, even on a forum", "Much appreciated"
I understand the reason for that request and I will propose it to my group and see their reaction on the matter. I doubt I will see much opposition.
Nonya
Banned
As a combat arms vet who has been in pretty much all the RL CZ's since the mid 90s right up to the final ops in Iraq, I seriously question the veracity of this statement.
Matter of fact, I'm thinking someone else has made it completely up. I'd appreciate it if the folks on here wouldn't make statements like that.
Because there's no way this game - or any game - has ever caused me any "PTSD" issues whatsoever. Because it's a G-A-M-E.
Matter of fact, I was killed by another player tonight. I laughed it off because I knew I was not on my game at the moment and paid for it.
I jumped right back in and kept on fighting until I got myself right back in the zone again.
You know what Fang.. I will take offense.. I agree being in the military does not make you "more important" than others, BUT it doesn't mean you just ignore what was said because "we have military members in code and they don't have issues". That is machoistic nonsense and it gets people in trouble and contributes to the suicide rates among veterans. When a vet asks for people not to do something or says they won't participate they have a dang good reason for it... people should listen. I've seen a punk shot before in real life because a veteran put out a sign asking for them to think before doing fireworks around his house on the days other than the 4th of July... Punk thought it was funny to throw a black cat between his feet after he walked by. It went off and the veteran reacted on instinct. They wanted to blame the vet.. nope.. punk learned his lesson.. thankfully he's ok.
I freely admit I am one of the military members that Dave commented about and in the Mega thread I have stated WHY. What irks me is we have people who realize they have issue with stuff and choose to do what they can to avoid issues and others seem to think it is funny as heck to antagonize them. If I am in open it is because Fuel Rats are on their way to me.. I will never fly in a mode where others can shoot me.. NPC shoots me.. no issue.. the knowledge that a human is shooting at me or I'm shooting at them... massive issues and problems. COD, MOH, Battlefield.. People enjoy the heck out of the games.. I can only play MOH Allied Assault and Battlefield 2 BC on solo player, it sucks.. my father and I used to have a blast with Allied Assault and it sucks we cannot play anymore against each other. He is stronger than me.. he went through Vietnam and he can still play. But I understand why he can never watch any Vietnam movie.
What Tweedledee and Tweedledum (can't remember their names and am not going to look em up.. ) did by going into Mobius and purposely looking to PVP was beyond stupid and arrogant. They had giggles and got kicked.. what they did to their victim could have had far worse effect then a loss of a few credits depending if the victim had been someone other than who it was.. but they don't care.. they were there for the giggle and couldn't give a rat's behind for consequences or any detrimental effect they could have had on others...
So they gave CODE a black eye and the actions of others in Hutton (which I went no where near on purpose) only added to the bruise.
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I think you misread.. they did not get PTSD from the game, but from their service.
I'm glad that you laughed and went back and kept on fighting.. some can't