Gak, how did I read that date incorrectly? I don't use wrong-way-round US date format. Pre-coffee posting bad.
Petition to bring back the DDF/DDA and get back on track.
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Gak, how did I read that date incorrectly? I don't use wrong-way-round US date format. Pre-coffee posting bad.
Not recommended, that! <chortles>
Ha ha, yep. I believe that was the thread. Mike's response just absolutely cracked me up. It's fun to see a dev get sassy.This may not be the time or place but I'm glad you've immortalized me as the obnoxious forum user in your signature
Can't announce anything and spoil a lucrative exclusive deal.
Lol 6 months after release and ya'll are trying to say Frontier have lost their way already? Sweet baby Jesus Harold Christ get some perspective you LOLlygaggers.
I'd be all for a poll like this if it were December 2017 and we haven't gotten any major expansion like planetary landing, or the walking, or the expansion to NPC's, but we are 6 months past the day this game officially launched. It has been public for less than a year.
6 months we've gotten wings, powerplay, Mac port and the beta for the Xbox port. What we KNOW will be coming, before the end of the year, is the release of the Xbox port, CQC and better controller functionality. We also will be hearing more about upcoming expansions 'Soon.'
Untwist your panties.
I'd be all for a poll like this if it were December 2017 and we haven't gotten any major expansion like planetary landing, or the walking, or the expansion to NPC's, but we are 6 months past the day this game officially launched. It has been public for less than a year.
6 months we've gotten wings, powerplay, Mac port and the beta for the Xbox port. What we KNOW will be coming, before the end of the year, is the release of the Xbox port, CQC and better controller functionality. We also will be hearing more about upcoming expansions 'Soon.'
Untwist your panties.
'we' didn't get CqC, xbox did... as for the rest, wings should have been a release feature and the rest Im not finding engaging, my perspective. (that and the instancing still needs a hug)
Aww, here, have a hug
There was a dev post earlier asking peeps to submit bug reports telling FD about their routers and LAN setup's in order to try and fix this, but it was Closed and promptly got buried.
Here it is: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=160601
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I agree. Way too many people here think they can do a better job designing a game than DB and his team, forgetting this is his baby. He's never going to hand control of it over to the public. And why should he? It would be a pointless exercise in recrimination. Even were he to agree to restart the DDF and "do what it says" it would turn into one of two things: an FDev lead and controlled exercise in publicising their design process, or a user lead want-fest. I suspect there are too many NDAs and commercial constraints for the former, along with people whining about prioritisation, and why FDev aren't working on this-or-that particular thing. If the latter option eventuated, at some point FDev would want to overule some point in the DDF. This would lead to whining along the lines of "Why do you have a DDF if you are going to ignore it?" (as well as the background whining about prioritisation).
What is the upside for FDev in creating another place for people to complain about the way they do things? What would a new DDF give them that they didn't get from the first one? Except a fresh load of people with unrealistic expectations, and no clue about developing software and what it takes?
I'm not denigrating the efforts people put into the DDF, but I think it's done its dash now the product is 'live'. From FDev's POV I can't see many benefits and a huge load of headaches.
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Case in point, the number of people on this forum who threaten to quit the game forever, no for real this time guys, if the devs don't rework every single aspect of the game to suit their personal tastes.
On the one hand, I really want the devs to take a more active role in getting news to us and to be a little more open about future plans, but on the other hand I'm sure reopening the DDF would just create another avenue for pointless whining.
I think its a fair appraisal. You wouldn't believe some of the arguments and stuff I had to fight against. I've never seen such hysteria surrounding pvp in my life and if many had their way there wouldn't be any at all - the transponder system is a good example. When you consider how big a part of modern gaming pvp is I did find a number of peoples attitudes very odd.
That said the proposals were Frontiers and all the people in the DDF did was comment and make suggestions. However, it was a very weird situation to see so much anti combat sentiment. I know ED isn't perfect and has a long way to go but I think the game is presently in a pretty good state bar the instancing issues, exploiting, combat logging and hacking thats been going on
Never expected the DDF to go on for ever either but I think we need some sort of roadmap shown to us.
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I agree with this.I think its a fair appraisal. You wouldn't believe some of the arguments and stuff I had to fight against. I've never seen such hysteria surrounding pvp in my life and if many had their way there wouldn't be any at all - the transponder system is a good example. When you consider how big a part of modern gaming pvp is I did find a number of peoples attitudes very odd.
That said the proposals were Frontiers and all the people in the DDF did was comment and make suggestions. However, it was a very weird situation to see so much anti combat sentiment. I know ED isn't perfect and has a long way to go but I think the game is presently in a pretty good state bar the instancing issues, exploiting, combat logging and hacking thats been going on
Never expected the DDF to go on for ever either but I think we need some sort of roadmap shown to us.
People have forgotten just how big the whole PvP vs PvE debate was and it wasn't just confined to the DDF.
Well, perhaps not now... perhaps in another 10-20 years. There was a lot of stuff in the DDF.
I think that is wishful thinking. The game is as grindly as you want it to be, and i don't see much in the DFF which would make the core game more or less grindly. If you look at PP and see i grind, you can look at any part of the game and see a grind as well. Its all about progress, to get somewhere you either grind or take it easy. If they implemented player owned stations - some people would say grind. If they implemented pilotable capital ships - some people would say grind. etc.
And you wonder why Fdev's don't want more backseat drivers?
'We' are actually getting CQC, just not when Xbox gets it. 'We' will get CQC before the end of this year.
Based on what has been added so far and what is still missing, it seems to be less about "making the game they want to play" and more about making the game that brings in the most money.
Hopefully they make enough to flip it back the other way. Seems many are still hopeful.
If this game was from one of the biggies (EA, UBISOFT, etc), and these same exact issues were happening these forums would be really ugly.
All I want is what they originally said they'd do. I'm not making any "threats to leave the game", I simply stopped playing a long time back and I'm not alone. We backed on a promise of game A, we got game B, and we're not interested in it thanks. Ignore that or don't, it doesn't bother me, but you can't ignore the daily increasing number of players turning their back on the game, nor the number of complaints in the forums despite the constantly locked or deleted threads.
That's all fine and good, but the point is: many of us are along the ride because of the stuff proposed and discussed in the DDF. I guess many people who backed the game wouldn't have done so if "Community Goals" and "Close Quarter Combat" had been announced as some of the first major updates added.
DDF was great. But now that the kickstarter is over, I wonder if the 600K + of players would accept that only a small number of elected members discusses of fundamentals of the game in a private forum
Well yeah exactly... my reaction would have been more like "Oh... you want another one of THOSE games... ok have fun with that" and taken my money elsewhere.