Pilot Ejection Table - For those who want some risk in their game!

EDIMRanGen Version 1.3b has now been released (the b is for Beta Access). I did find something disturbing as I was going through the process. I scan all my programs I release to the public with both Jotti and VirusTotal Malware/Virus scanner. VirusTotal reports that Qihoo-360 returns a positive. This has to be a false positive as the only thing written to the disk by the program is the license file. It seems Qihoo-360 has instituted stricter security and used different standards for testing than they did for their release product. They have been spanked for it. You can read about it at
http://vrworld.com/2015/05/04/qihoo-360-antivirus-cheating/


The link to the new program is below

http://www.mediafire.com/download/yw400ghbey818y7/EDIMRanGen1.3b.zip

Mossfoot, you can put the above link in the original post if you'd like but please leave the current one up as well for those who haven't purchased Beta Acess. Full address is below
Code:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/yw400ghbey818y7/EDIMRanGen1.3b.zip
When Horizons is released, the Beta Access will be taken off and there will be two versions of the program. 1.3 for those who elect not to purchase the Horizon expansion and 1.4 for those who do purchase the expansion. The 1.3 won't have the SRV option.

Enjoy.
 
I even removed the code that produces the license number in the ini file and it still flags it as a positive for HEUR/QVM03.0.Malware.Gen which simply has to be a false positive.

Don't know why Qihoo-360 is doing this, but the only thing this program writes to disk is the window position in XXX,XXX (to remember where you had it) and then a 1 or a 0 to indicate if there is standard or minimal insurance so the user won't have to change that every time if they use minimal. Crazy.
 
Real Iron Man mode is where you Elevate and Run even with your antivirus screaming at you.

Uh, also shameless bump to have a post in this thread so I can find it again.
 
Oh man, I'd love to try this but I'm too weak to risk my main account : (

It's not that hard to start over. People always remember what they went through when they first started and think "Crap!, that was hard. Don't want to do that again." But the people who do wipe their save usually ask, "Was I really that bad?" Yep. Sure were. You see, you didn't lose everything. You still have your knowledge and experience. That, my friend, is worth a lot. It allows you to avoid most of the mistakes you made the first time around. It also means when you're interdicted you can fight and actually have a decent chance of winning. Most people, when they first start have very little idea about combat, even with NPC's and get their tail spanked.

I've had a Python, twice. And, using this table, wiped both of them. With the 1st one, I got cocky and tried to take an Anaconda that didn't like the fact that I had defected from Torval. The 2nd was the result of leaving flight assist off for a bit too long while lining up with an outpost for docking. Got jammed against the outpost and couldn't move. By the time I got free, the trespass warning expired and the station became lethally annoyed with me. But no worries, I'm back in a mostly A rated Asp and doing missions out of Robigo. Lots and lots of money to be had doing that. Millions in fact.

 
I used to use this a lot, it was awesome. ..even when I lost everything and died, it really adds to the game.

When my save gets cleared at the launch of Horizons I'll probably go back to using this all the time.
 
Yeah, I feel that I'd actually like the game to be like that from the beginning : P I'll think about it ; )
 
I used to use this a lot, it was awesome. ..even when I lost everything and died, it really adds to the game.

When my save gets cleared at the launch of Horizons I'll probably go back to using this all the time.

Have I been living under a rock? All saves will be cleared when Horizons is released? Or are you just going to clear your save?
 
You've no doubt heard of IronMan play (dead is dead), but perhaps you find the idea of restarting with such unforgiving absoluteness to be a bit unfair. At the same time, maybe the thought of always surviving an ejection no matter what takes some of the thrill away from your gameplay.

Maybe you want the thrill of the possibility of death, but recognize that the ejection system is usually going to work as advertised. You're far more likely to survive a crash inside a station than out in uncharted space, after all.

For you we have the Pilot Ejection Table. Roll the die and take your chances! If you don't have dice, scroll to the bottom for a link to a dice roller as well as KellyR's Elite: Dangerous IronMan Random Generator

Note: The intention behind this is to keep things relatively simple while covering all the most likely scenarios. For most this will be done on the fly after death, without necessarily having access to all the information needed regarding location, other pilots in the area, etc. It's up to you to make your best guess and be honest with yourself. For those who are sticklers for accuracy and want as little guesswork as possible, enabling a video capture feature like ShadowPlay will let you look over the last 15 minutes before the incident so you can retrieve any pertinent information.


Pilot Ejection Table (roll 1d20)

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Natural 1 - DISASTER! (Nat 1 always results in death, regardless of modifiers. Invent an incredible reason for it.)
1-9 - Dead! (Wipe save. Restart. New Character. Anything modified under 1 still counts as 1)
10-11 - Loophole. Alive, BUT due to insurance loophole, they won't cover your ship (Take the Sidewinder, but keep your character ranks and any other ships you have in storage)
12-20 - Alive! (Pay Insurance as normal. Anything modified over 20 still counts as 20)
Natural 20 - MIRACLE! (Nat 20 always results in rescue, regardless of modifiers. Invent an incredible coincidence to explain it.)


Modifiers:


LOCATION WITHIN SYSTEM
On Station Hull (Inside or Outside) +9 (only other modifier here should be Life Support)
Outside Station (but in visual range) +5
Near populated planet (in visual range) +2
Resource Extraction Site (if other miners present) +2
Within populated system but between planets +1
Unpopulated but trafficked system +0 (if you saw at least one other ship on radar while in Supercruise)
Unpopulated and untrafficked system -1 (nobody else was in the system when the incident happened)


LOCATION OF SYSTEM
Within 10LY of Capital System (Sol, Alioth, Achenar) +1
Within Other Federation, Alliance, Empire Worlds +0
Other Centrally Located Worlds (Independent or Uninhabited) -1
25+ LY outside of populated systems -2
100+ LY outside of populated systems -5
1000+ LY outside of populated systems -10


CIRCUMSTANCES OF SHIP DESTRUCTION (non combat)
Destroyed by Black Hole/Neutron Star - INSTANT DEATH (not even a Nat 20 can save you from that)
Destroyed by Star -10
Crash Into A Non-Hostile Ship +5 (assume they'd contact Search and Rescue for insurance purposes)
Crash Into A Non-Hostile Ship (but other ship also explodes) +1 (for the additional distress signal)
Crash Into Asteroid/Debris +0
Stranded in Space +2 (no fuel, or hull integrity so low can't possibly reach home - this assumes the best possible distress signal scenario)
Stranded in Space with Other Ships in System +6


COMBAT RELATED CIRCUMSTANCES (best guess)
Each Enemy Pilot In Battle -1 (max -5)
Each Friendly/Neutral Pilot In Battle +1 (max +5)
(Note: in Conflict Zones these can be assumed to cancel out)
Low Intensity Conflict Zone (both sides) +2 (assumes non-combat rescue ships present on both sides to pick up pilots)
High Intensity Conflict Zone (underdogs) +1 (marginal failure can be assume captured as POW instead of death)
High Intensity Conflict Zone (favored forces) +3 (marginal failure can be assume captured as POW instead of death)


LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEM
Note: It's fair to assume that the quality of your life support system goes beyond just how much oxygen you have left. More expensive ones would have more powerful distress beacons, longer lasting thrusters that will help clear you from debris, and more energy to go into the RemLok stasis field until you're picked up. Size doesn't matter, only grade. Given how incredibly cheap LS is (even on an Anaconda, at least compared to the initial ship cost), this is more a matter of the absolute best giving a slight advantage. If you don't remember what your Life Support system was, it should appear on your insurance screen as a component to replace or remove.
A +1
B +0
C -1
D -2
E -3


DISCOVERY SCANNER (unpopulated systems only)
Exploring and surveying can be a dangerous thing, and no amount of life support or the RemLok stasis fields will help if you're never found. That's why Discovery Scanners are designed to emit a basic but powerful SOS "pulse" during an ejection sequence, alerting Search and Rescue as to the system the accident happened (but no specific coordinates). This pulse effectively fries the scanner (not that you needed it anymore anyway). Obviously the further out you are, the less likely the pulse will be picked up, let alone a rescue happening, but explorers all alone in the deep dark no doubt appreciate the extra bit of hope. Note: Due to the non-specific nature of the pulse, this device provides no additional benefit within populated systems (which already have numerous distress signals taking place at any given time).
Basic Discovery Scanner +1
Intermediate Discovery Scanner +2
Advanced Discovery Scanner +3
(Don't forget the modifiers for unpopulated systems under Location Inside of System)


WINGS
Once 1.2 came out I had a look back at the general scope of the "odds" in everyday situations and felt the table wasn't "dangerous" enough (heh). Not that it should ever be skewed against rescue, just that for most people the modifiers inevitably end up putting things highly in your favor. So when Wings came out, I decided to use that to make things both slightly more dangerous if you're flying solo, and slightly safer if you have a full wing. After all, being in a wing should improve your chances of rescue since communication is part of the design. Likewise, being on your own provides a slight disadvantage (which can still be made up for in a variety of ways on other tables). Note: these bonuses apply even if your wingmates are not in the same system ("I've lost Bob's signal. He was over in Achenar, call Search and Rescue!")

Flying Solo -1
Wing of Two +0
Wing of Three +0
Wing of Four + 1


A PIRATE'S LIFE FOR ME?
Insurance companies love loopholes, and the biggest one involves crime. If you are a known criminal with a bounty on your head, you can bet that will be held against you when it comes to collect on your insurance policy. This will NOT affect your odds of rescue, but will increase the window in which the "loophole" outcome will occur.

Bounty of +10,000 - Loophole window becomes 10-12
Bounty of +50,000 - Loophole window becomes 10-13
Bounty of +100,000 - Loophole window becomes 10-14
Bounty of +500,000 - Loophole window becomes 10-15
Bounty of +1,000,000 - Loophole window becomes 10-16


STILL NOT IRONMAN ENOUGH FOR YOU?
For those that feel that even this is too "soft", use the Pilot's Ejection Table only to determine if you live or not. If you do, your insurance ONLY covers the free Sidewinder, never the entire ship. Experienced pilots will no doubt still have other ships in storage, but the loss will be far more significant this way. One small upside about taking this route is that these don't count on your permanent record as an insurance claim, making it easier to prove your "hardcore" status.


SRV Pilot Retrieval Table (roll 1d20) - BETA STAGE

The lore here will be in flux for a while as things develop, but here's how I see it right now: Your SRV's pilot seat can, if necessary, shoot clear of the rubble to somewhere safe until retrieved by your ship, which is automatically notified and summoned upon SRV destruction. Just how likely that is depends on how you lost your SRV in the first place.

Under nominal circumstances you are very likely to be retrieved by your ship. Those flying without a co-pilot can still have their ship home in on your signal and land nearby, close enough to escape the seat and reach your ship via your Remlok's limited life support.


Natural 1 - DISASTER! (Nat 1 always results in death, regardless of modifiers. Invent an incredible reason for it.)
1-3 - Dead! (Wipe save. Restart. New Character. Anything modified under 1 still counts as 1)
4-20 - Alive! (On board your ship alive and well. Anything modified over 20 still counts as 20)
Natural 20 - MIRACLE! (Nat 20 always results in rescue, regardless of modifiers. Invent an incredible coincidence to explain it.)

Modifiers:

Location of Destruction
Whether or not you can be retrieved depends on whether your ship can reach you, so where your SRV was destroyed matters.
Reasonably flat surface +2
Very rough terrain +0
Canyon or otherwise inaccessible terrain -2

Means of Destruction
Out of Fuel/Self Destruct +2
Crash -2
Combat -3

Proximity to Starport/Station

Having a Starport on the planet or moon or a station in orbit is much like having air traffic control assisting you. They may have some information on your last known location, or any distress signals that might come through, and that can aid your ship in retrieval operations.
Within No Fire Zone of Starport +2
Visual distance of Starport +1
Starport on same planet +0
Space station in orbit +0
No starport or station -1

Wingmen
Wingmen can help coordinate your rescue and feed information to your ship to help retrieve you.
Flying Solo -1 (relying on ship computer only for retrieval)
Wing of Two +0
Wing of Three + 1
Wing of Four + 2
Ship Co-pilot +3 (future implementation, does not stack with size of wing)


Some Examples of How This Plays Out

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Crashing inside a space station (+9) with an B Class Life Support (+0) means you are in the best possible circumstance to survive (final modifier +9, nothing else need apply), but still have a 5% chance of death on a Natural 1 (come up with a creative bizarre way your ejection seat went splat). You also have a 5% chance of not having insurance cover your ship due to a loophole in your policy (on a 2, modified by 9 = 11). Anything else results in a safe ejection and normal insurance screen. Upgrading to A Class Life Support here would remove that insurance loophole risk. Having a D or E class system would result in a slightly increased chance of catastrophic failure and death (should have got those airbags, not just seatbelts ;) )

Crashing into a star (-10) a thousand light years from home (-10), in an unpopulated and untrafficked system (-1), even with Class A Life Support (+1) and an Advanced Discovery Scanner (+3) while flying solo (-1) means you can't possibly live (final modifier -18), BUT a Nat 20 will still result in a miracle, so be sure to come up with a creative story as to how your escape pod DIDN'T burn up and who actually found you a thousand light years from home and picked you up. Otherwise, wipe that save.

However, crashing into a star (-10) in a populated area (+1) but in an Independent system with less Search And Rescue at its disposal (+0), with Class A Life Support (+1) and a single wingman (-0) means you're still probably (literally) toast (final modifier -8). You'll survive on an 18 or 19, but insurance won't cover you (modifies to 10 or 11). On a Nat 20, of course, something amazing still happens and you get to use the regular insurance screen.

Getting into a dogfight in a Low Intensity Conflict Zone (+2) that's around the low orbit of a populated planet (+2) in an Alliance system (+1), with E Grade Life Support (-3) with a full wing (+1) gives you okay odds of surviving (final modifier +3). Aside from the Nat 1 insta-death, you could still die on a 2 to 6 (modifies to 5 to 9). However, this pilot was also a wanted criminal with a 100,000 credit bounty on his head, so the insurance company is going to look for reasons to deny him (loophole snag is now reached on a roll of 7 to 11 (modifies to 10 to 14). Time to upgrade that Life Support system, and maybe pay off that bounty!

In your SRV all on your lonesome (-1), you decide to hot dog a bit and boost across a canyon...only it turns out to be much further away than you thought and you plummet to the bottom. Your SRV explodes on impact (-2) but your seat shoots clear. Unfortunately you're still in that canyon (-2), but fortunately there is a space station in orbit that hopefully picked up your signal, or at least your explosion, so at least that doesn't make things worse (+0). The situation is bad, but not insurmountable (final modifier -5). Your ship will be able to retrieve you on a 9 or better. That'll teach you to be a showoff.


No d20? No Problem!

There are plenty of apps and sites out there for random dice rolling. Here's a simple one that will allow you to add in the end modifier as well before you roll: Dice Roll Generator


The Elite: Dangerous IronMan Ejection Table (Version 1.3/1.4)
And for those running Windows, KellyR came up with this small program which takes the whole table into account. Just click on everything that applies, and find out if you lived or died!
Elite: Dangerous IronMan Ejection Table (for Season 1)
Note: This is a work in progress. Let us know in the thread if you run into any bugs.
Elite: Dangerous IronMan Ejection Table (for Horizons)
This version includes the SRV sub table


Thanks to Captain Kirk for the Life Support idea and dice roller link. Thanks to SteveKing for the Discovery Scanner idea. Thanks to Leoben Capa for the pirate insurance loophole idea.

This chart is a work in progress, so by all means, throw in suggestions on how (and why) certain modification should be changed, removed, or added.

Is there any way you can rename the topic? Seriously I read it very wrongly and feel very dirty now.

On topic: I'm completely down with randomness in the game, moreover the game throwing curve-balls in otherwise mundane activities.
 
I've come to a decision. There will only be one current version of the program out at any one time. I will be using the FD's current Version number for the Version number of the program each time it is updated. Those who don't purchase season 2 will still be able to use the program, It will still function normally but will simply have the SRV option. For those who don't purchase season 2, they can just ignore that part. There will be no further release until there is a need to update it as it is in good form right now. The only thing I would change is the About box to say 2.0 instead of 1.3 Beta Access. Since there is no functionality change, I see no need to release an update.

Mossfoot, you can take down the 1.2 version and just leave up the 1.3b version. The 1.2 version will be going offline and therefore unavailable within a day of this writing.
 
Made some tweaks to the Ship Ejection seat to reflect planets. Textual only for Location Within System and Circumstances of Ship Destruction (non combat).

Note the tables haven't been changed, just the wording altered to incorporate planets and starports.
 
What about crashing into an installation with no docking facilities? By the same token what about crashing within sight of such an installation?

I will be updating the program to account for the changes noted above but I need to know your thoughts on the non docking facilities, Moss.
 
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What about crashing into an installation with no docking facilities? By the same token what about crashing within sight of such an installation?

I will be updating the program to account for the changes noted above but I need to know your thoughts on the non docking facilities, Moss.

Added this: Near/On base with no docking facility +2
 
No3kins has whipped of a preliminary website based program for the ejection table. Have a look and provide any feedback you think might be helpful! Obviously it needs prettying up, but right now it's about making sure it's functional.


http://www.trainsimdev.com/elite/
First of all: nice work! Second of all: where do I see the results? All I'm getting is this:
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Not looking too good for me... Which is kind of what I wanted...
 
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