They don't - they just haven't been kept in numbers in captivity in modern zoos/aquaria. Baby, the boto at Duisberg, lived for c. 45 years. It's a bit like saying mountain gorillas do badly in captivity - almost all captive mountain gorillas have died within months in captivity but that was prior to modern great ape husbandry.
Planet Aquarium: Let's design together
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One animal staying alive (out of more than 100 of each group) isn't Exactly doing well in captivity.
They did worse than other ceteceans in the past - there’s no reason to think they’d do better than other ceteceans now. Since other cetaceans don’t do well in captivity now (with all the same advancements) there’s no reason to think that river dolphins or harbour porpoises would fo particularly well and good reason to think they wouldn’t.
Can you give me an example any species of cetecean that has been bred in captivity and successfully released to the wild? As far as I know the captive breeding programs that do exist for some very well studied species are only aimed at reducing the number taken from the wild - not for effective reintroduction.
If there will be a Planet Aquarium I hope to see:
Even though I prefer it to be dlc at planet zoo, but it can also be so cool for new game
- Whale shark
- Sand tiger shark
- Grey reef shark
- Great hammerhead
- Tiger shark
- Zebra shark
- Bull shark
- Green sea turtle
- Leatherback sea turtle
- Orca
- Common bottlenose dolphin
- Amazon river dolphin
- Short-beaked common dolphin
- Beluga
- Dugong
- Manta ray
- Spotted eagle ray
- Stingray
- Moray eel
- black sea nettle
- Moon jelly
- Giant Pacific octopus
- Common octopus
- Callistoctopus
- Sea otter
Even though I prefer it to be dlc at planet zoo, but it can also be so cool for new game
People, hot take. I dont want any fish larger then a reefshark, which have a max lenght of 2 meters. Hot take over.
There are quite a few plans of kicksarting river dolphin populations in zoos, as they could likely fare really well now with a few technological asvancements, and it may be the only way to save them from extinction.
Why not? Whale sharks would be the likely selling point of any aquarium game.
I understood your point. I don't see your logic.
You said maybe include some dolphins in planet aquarium (to rehab).
But killer whales (which are dolphins are a no in your mind so that's confusing) and porpoises which can literally be smaller than some dolphins are also a no in your opinion.
It seems like arbitrarily picking which cetaceans you want without any reasoning.
If there's "rehabilitation" in this game why would rehabbing dolphins be okay but absolutely no rehabbing porpoises?
That was my question.
In July 2020, the first release of a captive-bred Yangtze finless porpoise took place. The IUCN consider this the only example of ex-situ conservation that involves cetaceans.
Let’s move off cetaceans.
What kind of themes would you suggest?
I thought of the aquatic theme PZ has, the theme gives a coastal Atlantic the
sunken ship theme would definitely be cool for exhibits.
Polar theme would only go well with you guessed it Arctic mammals.
Island theme would go well with any species from warm water
The aquatic themes that we got to compliment the South American aquatic animals don’t seem to cut it as a “Amazon River theme”.
Maybe a neutral aquarium theme similar to the “planet zoo theme” that doesn’t have any special theme
What kind of themes would you suggest?
I thought of the aquatic theme PZ has, the theme gives a coastal Atlantic the
sunken ship theme would definitely be cool for exhibits.
Polar theme would only go well with you guessed it Arctic mammals.
Island theme would go well with any species from warm water
The aquatic themes that we got to compliment the South American aquatic animals don’t seem to cut it as a “Amazon River theme”.
Maybe a neutral aquarium theme similar to the “planet zoo theme” that doesn’t have any special theme
I will move off ceteceans after this… just wanted to acknowledge that you found a good example, which I didn’t know about, and that it is great if they can scale up to the point where they can be released into unenclosed areas. I still don’t really want ceteceans in-game because, even with this example, the river dolphins aren’t found in zoos, and the evidence remains that, on the whole, they don’t do very well overall (one success doesn’t = doing well) and breeding (especially by artificial insemination) doesn’t necessarily indicate high welfare.In July 2020, the first release of a captive-bred Yangtze finless porpoise took place. The IUCN consider this the only example of ex-situ conservation that involves cetaceans.
For me, fully marine animals remain a low priority to be added to the game (even more so than domestic species) compared to aviaries and a wider range of typical zoo animals (I.e. terrestrial and semi-aquatic species).
Because that isnt what an aquarium game should be about imo.
Fish are in general quite small, with just some standout species that grow to larger sizes, which are exactly does that do not fair well in captivity.
In general im not against zoos and stuff, the opposite in fact, i believe that most people that spread stuff like empty the cages are in the best case uneducated, but while you can allways have a bigger yard for your elephants and more climbing space for your great apes, having a tank where speeddemons like marlins and blue sharks or giants like the great white and whale shark is nearly impossible and very, very expensive and hard to acctually do the maintainance Like filtering, temperature regulation and cleaning.
99,99999% of aquariums in zoological institutions are small to medium size tanks, maybe even large for an arapaima or something, but then for the last 0,00001% it makes a giant leap and gets enormous ik size.
Thats not an aquarium animal for me, like whales are for most other people here, most of them fair really really bad in captivity and it would shift away the focus from the smaller aquariums, which are imo way more important that they get right, because they should be atleast 65% of our animal selection.
So yeah, summed up, enormous tanks are a pain, the animals fair especally badly in captivity and they would simply delude from what should be the focus
There’s so much to talk about with a potential Planet Aquarium. It’s like discussing what will Planet Zoo look like (before it was announced) which there was so many components to, half of them we didn’t even realize we needed before they were announced, whether that be species, features, scenery, etc. I’m not really a “marine guy” myself but I’ll certainly try…
1. Biomes
I think there will be biomes just like in Planet Zoo, with continents too of course. The biomes will be used primarily for foliage, coral reefs, and underwater plants. I can’t really configure a list of biomes because I don’t really know what to call them.
2. In-game Mechanics
Same path system as Planet Zoo (I don’t hate it, but it could be better). Same habitat building mechanics with walls and habitat gates (similar to ZT2). Shops and facilities will mostly be the same, with maybe a few new ones.
3. Planet Zoo Animals?
Most aquariums have animals like penguins, otters, and pinnipeds. These animals are obviously already a part of Planet Zoo, so I would imagine they would just be brought over, which may be controversial, but I wouldn’t mind it.
4. Special Features
1. Biomes
I think there will be biomes just like in Planet Zoo, with continents too of course. The biomes will be used primarily for foliage, coral reefs, and underwater plants. I can’t really configure a list of biomes because I don’t really know what to call them.
2. In-game Mechanics
Same path system as Planet Zoo (I don’t hate it, but it could be better). Same habitat building mechanics with walls and habitat gates (similar to ZT2). Shops and facilities will mostly be the same, with maybe a few new ones.
3. Planet Zoo Animals?
Most aquariums have animals like penguins, otters, and pinnipeds. These animals are obviously already a part of Planet Zoo, so I would imagine they would just be brought over, which may be controversial, but I wouldn’t mind it.
4. Special Features
- Touch Tanks (even if they’re not “real” animals it’d still be cool)
- Animal Shows
- Carry over the animal talks
- Tours (I would really like this to be added to Planet Zoo)
I like your thoughts
Let me add to your thoughts
Biomes I think would simply represent where certain foliage, reefs and rock styles would represent.
I have worked doing the special features except for animal shows
IMO touch tank is challenging to work but I’d say we would have to have staff working the touch tanks. Have them have a different variety, think like our exhibits with crabs, sea urchins, anenomes, sea stars etc but also function like our food stalls where we need staff.
voluntary enrichment activity’s that guests can watch would be nice, at my last job our steller sea lions would do voluntary enrichment activity it’s. Guests could sit on these new talk point stands.
Tours would be nice.
Now I wonder if a touch tank person, trainer, educator and a tour guide would fall into 1 type of staff member.
I if I were to guess, the people monitoring the touch tanks (if there are any) would be educators. And then trainers and tour guides would be separate staff members as well. Three different types of staff here. And obviously, we’ll have vendors, mechanics, veterinarians, and keepers. The keepers may just be the trainers, or the trainers might just be the keepers, idk
Okay im back home with some time on my hands, so im gonna do a part 2 to my first few idears.
First i want to adress the fact, that i feel like it should not be planet aquarium. It can be named this way, but really it should be planet vivarium, with an overall focus on exhibit animals, as you could use similar mechaniks for both aquariums and vivariums.
First of all, i want 2 systems of habitat building, one like the one we have in planet zoo and one oriented on actual tank building. You can choose between multiple different sizes of vivarium/aquarium boxes (i mean atleast 15), which would open a second build menu, where only the tank is visible.
There you could design it like an actual tank, choose different kind of substrates to fill the ground with, multiple backdrops as well as the possibility to add your own billboard style and building pieces appropriate for the size, with each new size being able to use the items of the smaller one.
This would emulate like i said actual vivarium building, which is quite fun from my own experience. It has its one challagnes, upsides and downsides, but it is really, really fun and could add a ton of opportunitys. For the exhibit animals, i would include a traversable area system, that could determine where they are able to spawn, aswell as enrichtment style items, where they can spawn while performing special actions, like a foodbowl with a chomping beardie or a snake curled up around a twig.
With that in place, there should also be the opportunity to put exhibit animals into normally build habitats, with a nullgate being the must here.
There would also be some classic habitat animals i would add, that compliment the animals already present in Planet Zoo, meaning we can have some nice alternatives here!
Some picks would be the humboldt penguin, as they and the african penguin are about equal in captivity and it would be a nice pair to be able to choose from, gentoo pinguin, as a second and actually not that uncommon antarctic animals, thats also often paired with the king penguin, the african dwarf crocodile and the australian freshwater crocodile, as both are small and have the opposite in snouts and coloration, with the african havin a short and stubby snout and darker colors and the australian with a long snout and lighter colors, the asian small claw otter, because smallest, cutest and best suited for small tropical houses inside of an aquarium, agoutis, gundis and dwarf mongooses as small ground dwelling mammals and the common marmoset, prevost squirrel, crocodile monitor and emperor tamarin as aboreal animals.
We could obviously add more, but i feel like this is a good mix of smaller but still plausible habitat animals from all around the world and different biomes, that would make this game more interesting for people who want to just link it up as an expansion to planet zoo, aswell as just using the already given groundwork to give a little taste of planet zoo for the aquarium only owners. This would also spice up the gameplay loop, as building for terrestrial, aboreal and overall in comparison larger animals would give unique challanges and gameplay compared to the terrarium gameplay above and the bigger aquariums.
It also simply helps to catch planet zoo players that are unsure about the exhibit expansion, but atleast on a sale just cant resist the 12 habitat animals mentioned above.
Im quite sure there are quite a few people who would buy just the 12 animals for 20€, so the additional game would make the deal even sweeter.
First i want to adress the fact, that i feel like it should not be planet aquarium. It can be named this way, but really it should be planet vivarium, with an overall focus on exhibit animals, as you could use similar mechaniks for both aquariums and vivariums.
First of all, i want 2 systems of habitat building, one like the one we have in planet zoo and one oriented on actual tank building. You can choose between multiple different sizes of vivarium/aquarium boxes (i mean atleast 15), which would open a second build menu, where only the tank is visible.
There you could design it like an actual tank, choose different kind of substrates to fill the ground with, multiple backdrops as well as the possibility to add your own billboard style and building pieces appropriate for the size, with each new size being able to use the items of the smaller one.
This would emulate like i said actual vivarium building, which is quite fun from my own experience. It has its one challagnes, upsides and downsides, but it is really, really fun and could add a ton of opportunitys. For the exhibit animals, i would include a traversable area system, that could determine where they are able to spawn, aswell as enrichtment style items, where they can spawn while performing special actions, like a foodbowl with a chomping beardie or a snake curled up around a twig.
With that in place, there should also be the opportunity to put exhibit animals into normally build habitats, with a nullgate being the must here.
There would also be some classic habitat animals i would add, that compliment the animals already present in Planet Zoo, meaning we can have some nice alternatives here!
Some picks would be the humboldt penguin, as they and the african penguin are about equal in captivity and it would be a nice pair to be able to choose from, gentoo pinguin, as a second and actually not that uncommon antarctic animals, thats also often paired with the king penguin, the african dwarf crocodile and the australian freshwater crocodile, as both are small and have the opposite in snouts and coloration, with the african havin a short and stubby snout and darker colors and the australian with a long snout and lighter colors, the asian small claw otter, because smallest, cutest and best suited for small tropical houses inside of an aquarium, agoutis, gundis and dwarf mongooses as small ground dwelling mammals and the common marmoset, prevost squirrel, crocodile monitor and emperor tamarin as aboreal animals.
We could obviously add more, but i feel like this is a good mix of smaller but still plausible habitat animals from all around the world and different biomes, that would make this game more interesting for people who want to just link it up as an expansion to planet zoo, aswell as just using the already given groundwork to give a little taste of planet zoo for the aquarium only owners. This would also spice up the gameplay loop, as building for terrestrial, aboreal and overall in comparison larger animals would give unique challanges and gameplay compared to the terrarium gameplay above and the bigger aquariums.
It also simply helps to catch planet zoo players that are unsure about the exhibit expansion, but atleast on a sale just cant resist the 12 habitat animals mentioned above.
Im quite sure there are quite a few people who would buy just the 12 animals for 20€, so the additional game would make the deal even sweeter.
i may be wrong but the base game for pz has 73 animals, so i will use that number to determine my roster
- west African lungfish
- ribbon eel
- dragon moray
- beluga
- blacktip reef shark
- sand tiger shark
- moon jelly
- upside down jellyfish
- ocean sunfish
- whale shark
- green sea turtle
- clownfish
- lionfish
- frogfish
- seadragon
- giant pacific octopus
- giant isopod
- Japanese giant spider crab
- red tailed catfish
- arapaima
- electric eel
- pacu
- piranha
- ballonfish
- green moray
- bamboo shark
- cownose ray
- epaulette shark
- reef manta
- stellar's sea lion
- american paddlefish
- west Indian manatee
- green anaconda
- garden eel
- mandarinfish
- Cuttlefish
- elephant fish
- sea otter
- largetooth sawfish
- tasseled wobbegong
- spotted eagle ray
- walrus
- hawksbill sea turtle
- barracuda
- California sheepshead
- chambered nautilus
- giant kelpfish
- common fangtooth
- sea pig
- deep sea anglerfish
- box jelly
- northern elephant seal
- angelshark
- hagfish
- pacific stingray
- Atlantic stingray
- scalloped hammerhead
- bonnethead
- sea lemon
- swell shark
- shovelnose guitarfish
- wolf eel
- zebra moray
- white sturgeon
- little blue penguin
- rockhopper penguin
- Galapagos shark
- alligator snapping turtle
- Asian small clawed otter
- surgeonfish
- lined seahorse
- chocolate chip starfish
- Goliath grouper
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