🐾 Planet Zoo: Africa Pack arriving 22 June 🐾

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

The white rhino is fine. I consider it a missed opportunity because I would've very much preferred having a full Big 5, which values the black rhinoceros instead.

But of course, having an African leopard when space is so limited wouldn't fly well.

Both would have been a great choice, it really was a pick your poison situation for frontier as both rhinos have quite their share of fans, but i would guess that we got the white rhino as they are more commonly held in captivity

 

[Swjosdotschka]

I addressed those as unviable pausing for Timed Scenarios and excessive menu navigation.

And since Planet Zoo is a game for creative freedom, would it not make the most sense to have animals that compliment this process, and not ones that need zoomed-in attention like meerkats?

Having smaller animals for smaller areas of a zoo adds to the creative freedom of building a (realistic) zoo, yes.

The white rhino is fine. I consider it a missed opportunity because I would've very much preferred having a full Big 5, which values the black rhinoceros instead.

But of course, having an African leopard when space is so limited wouldn't fly well.

The "Big 5" is a hunting term, not a zoo term. This is a zoo game. African leopards are rarely found in zoos and white rhinos are more common in zoos than black.
Maybe play a hunting game when "the big five" are so important to you? You probably won't have to deal with small animals there.

 

[Firestar97]

The "Big 5" is a hunting term, not a zoo term. This is a zoo game. African leopards are rarely found in zoos and white rhinos are more common in zoos than black.

Just want to say, in more recent Years that Teminology was also used regarding Stuff like Safari Tours so it isn't really that weird to talk about it regarding a Zoo Game

 

[Mjmannella]

Having smaller animals for smaller areas of a zoo adds to the creative freedom of building a (realistic) zoo, yes.

The "Big 5" is a hunting term, not a zoo term. This is a zoo game. African leopards are rarely found in zoos and white rhinos are more common in zoos than black.
Maybe play a hunting game when "the big five" are so important to you? You probably won't have to deal with small animals there.

I addressed the former already, as smaller areas aren't bound by the animals with this game's advanced sandbox settings.

The "Big 5" of Africa has exapnded far beyond its origins in hunting, and is hugely incorporated into African tourism in general. Also, I don't want to play a game to shoot animals. I just like having big, thematic parts of a zoo.

 

[NZFanatic]

Just want to say, in more recent Years that Teminology was also used regarding Stuff like Safari Tours so it isn't really that weird to talk about it regarding a Zoo Game

Zoos tend to avoid it due to the association with hunting. I don't get the obsession with the "Big Five" around here anyway, it's a strange thing to value IMO.

 

[Utahraptor104]

to be honest, little animals are great addition, taking into account we have a shortage of little animals, like raccoons, agouti, coatis and many others, so it should be a great ideia have more of then

 

[Tobs]

The size of an animal is absolutely relevant. If you're running a busy zoo, you need the ability to easily have a quick overview of everything with the heatmaps to make sure everything's okay. With smaller animals, this gets a lot harder to do and therefor makes them more of a gameplay-related liability than anything else. Even with lemurs and gazelles you can see those far more easily than meerkats or fennec foxes.

And as if the adults weren't hard enough to look for, good luck finding a rogue baby meerkat that got out of its enclosure. So either you have to pause around and put a full stop away from your bird's eye overview (which is unfeasible in Timed Scenarios that we get with these updates), or you go through a bunch of menus trying to get it resolved. Either way, there's no elegant resolution that lets you return to your quick bird's eye view, and therefore makes smaller animals and their babies very much not worth the hassle.

I get it, people have their favourites. But when you're making a game, you need to pick animals that work with the gameplay and not against it. If this means letting go of favourites, then so be it.

If small animals are a gameplay-related liability for you then I'd advice you not to play with small animals.

Remember, everyone plays this game differently - there's no common rule how this game is played, hence your last statement is kinda flawed.

The fact you find it a problem to have small-ish animals, doesn't mean that other players feel or think the same. In fact, I think PZ needs way more smaller mammal, and I welcome the addition of these smaller animals and hopefully many more in future DLCs.

 

[NZFanatic]

I addressed the former already, as smaller areas aren't bound by the animals with this game's advanced sandbox settings.

You're entitled to your opinion on this but I think it's clear you're in the minority on this one. Just about everyone else seems pretty happy with the meerkat and smaller animals in general, regardless of any difficulty it may pose in playing in the challenging modes.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

to be honest, little animals are great addition, taking into account we have a shortage of little animals, like raccons, agouti, coatis and many others, so it should be a great ideia be more of then

Omg yes, agoutis would be a wonderfull addition, i should have rememberd them when making my list

 

[Chuditch]

I’m a huge small mammal enthusiast (my username is taken from one after all) and so the meerkat and fennec fox were always my most anticipated additions from the leak, and having seen them now I truely can’t wait to add them to my zoos. Here’s to hoping for many small mammals to come!

 

[Firestar97]

I also don't really understand the Dislike of small Animals. Most Zoos do have a Mix of big and small Species and I assume many Players don't want to just build a Megafauna Park but also enjoy smaller Animals. But of course everyone can play like they want

to be honest, little animals are great addition, taking into account we have a shortage of little animals, like raccons, agouti, coatis and many others, so it should be a great ideia be more of then

I would absolutely love to see Raccoons in the Game. The other 2 would also be really nice to have in the Game. Patagonian Maras would also be great (and if I remember correctly at least one Zoo that I've visited once even has/had them roaming around free in the Zoo)

 

[WingardiumLevicoaster]

I also don't really understand the Dislike of small Animals. Most Zoos do have a Mix of big and small Species and I assume many Players don't want to just build a Megafauna Park but also enjoy smaller Animals. But of course everyone can play like they want


I would absolutely love to see Raccoons in the Game. The other 2 would also be really nice to have in the Game. Patagonian Maras would also be great (and if I remember correctly at least one Zoo that I've visited once even has/had them roaming around free in the Zoo)

Awww I want racoons. I've never seen one before (UK) and I would love to see some.

 

[Mjmannella]

If small animals are a gameplay-related liability for you then I'd advice you not to play with small animals.

Remember, everyone plays this game differently - there's no common rule how this game is played, hence your last statement is kinda flawed.

The fact you find it a problem to have small-ish animals, doesn't mean that other players feel or think the same. In fact, I think PZ needs way more smaller mammal, and I welcome the addition of these smaller animals and hopefully many more in future DLCs.

So I'm in the wrong for voicing a concern just because other people don't take issue to it? That's rather condescending at best, and outright dismissive of critique at worst.

 

[Bearcat9948]

Awww I want racoons. I've never seen one before (UK) and I would love to see some.

There's a really fat one that comes around my parent's house every couple of nights. My mom named him Rocky and she feeds him peanuts and blueberries. They've become good friends!

 

[Utahraptor104]

So I'm in the wrong for voicing a concern just because other people don't take issue to it? That's rather condescending at best, and outright dismissive of critique at worst.

well, yes, if you want to find a little animal in a habitat, you can click in the fence or gate of the habitat and find the animals you want, it's not our problem or frontier problem if everyone want little animals and you not, also if you play in Timed Scenarios and "lost time" searching little animals, why you put then i the zoo, instead of exhibit animals or big animals, also you will not lose time searching a meerkat in the animal list as i mentioned.

 

[Mjmannella]

well, yes, if you want to find a little animal in a habitat, you can click in the fence or gate of the habitat and find the animals you want, it's not our problem or frontier problem if everyone want little animals and you not, also if you play in Timed Scenarios and "lost time" searching little animals, why you put then i the zoo, instead of exhibit animals or big animals, also you will not lose time searching a meerkat in the animal list as i mentioned.

When you're strapped for time, every second counts. And because you can't pause in Timed Scenarios without losing time, that makes bigger animals the most advantageous. Any animal that can't be comfortably used in every game mode should be highly re-considered when you're trying to appeal to people playing all these modes.

I've discussed earlier as to why "don't use it" is a flawed argument.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

I mean i do understand where you are coming from, but that logic is just deeply flawed.
I dont want to come on as rude, especally because it feels like if you wouldnt have to defend your opinion this wouldnt be a discussion thats happening, but isnt it a part of the challange in the challange modes to pick the right animals?
And isnt it in everyones best intrest to widen the scope of the game by introducing new extremes in all direcions, that open up new possibilitys?
But in the end, we should just all come around to agree to disagree, in the end its to everyone their own afterall and getting barraded by comments doesnt change the fact that you personally are disappointed with the dlc, it just brings bad mood for everyone involved.
So i sincerly hope, that despite your disappointment you still do enjoy your time with the game and especally have fun with the new timed scenarios

 

[NL_Mutso]

The "Big 5" of Africa has exapnded far beyond its origins in hunting, and is hugely incorporated into African tourism in general. Also, I don't want to play a game to shoot animals. I just like having big, thematic parts of a zoo

Yeah, for quite some time focus has been on the positive change of the term "Big 5" - tourism/safari/sightseeing/photography/art.
Hunting has become an outdated meaning of 'Big 5'. You don't see many people reffering to that anymore.

I addressed the former already, as smaller areas aren't bound by the animals with this game's advanced sandbox settings.

Yeah, but the game has 3 more modes.
We got a lot of big animals in the game, smaller ones can't be that much of a problem.

 

[Utahraptor104]

When you're strapped for time, every second counts. And because you can't pause in Timed Scenarios without losing time, that makes bigger animals the most advantageous. Any animal that can't be comfortably used in every game mode should be highly re-considered when you're trying to appeal to people playing all these modes.

I've discussed earlier as to why "don't use it" is a flawed argument.

this argument is stupid, the polar bear exist, he can't be put in a timed Scenarios, and it is not advisable put in in a hot biome zoo, so why he is in the game?

And also you quoted "Just turn off space requirements" something only will be possible in sandbox, to make smaller enclosure, as many people, i think we need animals that can be in a smaller enclosure to "all the game style".

Also "don't use" or "use" a animal is part of the Timed Scenarios, to increase the challenge.

 

[Mjmannella]

I mean i do understand where you are coming from, but that logic is just deeply flawed.
I dont want to come on as rude, especally because it feels like if you wouldnt have to defend your opinion this wouldnt be a discussion thats happening, but isnt it a part of the challange in the challange modes to pick the right animals?
And isnt it in everyones best intrest to widen the scope of the game by introducing new extremes in all direcions, that open up new possibilitys?
But in the end, we should just all come around to agree to disagree, in the end its to everyone their own afterall and getting barraded by comments doesnt change the fact that you personally are disappointed with the dlc, it just brings bad mood for everyone involved.
So i sincerly hope, that despite your disappointment you still do enjoy your time with the game and especally have fun with the new timed scenarios

I would much rather have versatility than being forced into certain ways or gameplay loops, though I do understand why people would prefer the opposite.

this argument is stupid, the polar bear exist, he can't be put in a timed Scenarios, and it is not advisable put in in a hot biome zoo, so why he is in the game?

And also you quoted "Just turn off space requirements" something only will be possible in sandbox, to make smaller enclosure, as many people, i think we need animals that can be in a smaller enclosure to "all the game style".

Also "don't use" or "use" a animal is part of the Timed Scenarios, to increase the challenge.

Polar bears at the very least don't require a drastic alteration to overviewing zoos. And with the upcoming space reduction, they're becoming even more advantageous.

I mentioned Sandbox Mode specifically as that's the mode that encourages creativity the most. The other 2 modes have limitations that make creativity non-optimal.