Planet Zoo: Grasslands Animal Pack arriving 13 December šŸ¦‹

So I can't really blame forum members who have made a game out of mocking those of us who want birds, even posting memes and laughing at our perpetual pain.
Oh for crying out loud, can we quit it with the victim complex? Nobody is doing that. I've seen a dozen posts from people here and on Reddit complaining because they set themselves up for disappointment by expecting birds yet again, and a dozen posts from the same people complaining that they're being made fun of, and maybe one post actually making fun of them and even then it was questionable and probably not intended to offend.

Your "perpetual pain" is, at this point, your own fault. Birds were never promised, never alluded to, never even hinted at. This isn't a two-sided "we want birds" and "we don't want birds" thing; everyone wants birds. They're a zoo staple! It's just that the constant, endless cycle of "birds will be next/OH NO WE DIDN'T GET BIRDS MY DAY IS RUINED" thing is getting super tiresome. Want birds all you like, hope for them with every finger and toe crossed, but stop building them up in your head as a sure thing for literally no reason.

I apologise but it's just becoming frustrating now.
 
Iā€™m a firm believer birds will find their way into planet zoo. I think patience is the key here tho. We started with bats which was quite a milestone in itā€™s own right. Now weā€™re getting butterflies. Something that has been requested since the gameā€™s release. I believe frontier at one point had said something to the effect of butterflies were unlikely I could very well be wrong on that too. I donā€™t necessarily know if we get a dedicated aviary pack per say but a much more probable inclusion with some habitat animals as well. Which means yes probably as exhibit style animals which Iā€™m totally fine with btw. Anyway would no birds be a letdown? Absolutely but itā€™s not going to be devastating if it doesnā€™t happen. I expect it at some point but if it doesnā€™t happen so be it. Itā€™s still a great game. But in my personal opinion yes at some point we indeed get flying birds.
 
On the subject of the wildebeest: It seems like I'm in the minority, but honestly, I hardly even register it as a clone. The blue wildebeest is such a genuinely iconic animal, and is commonly found in so many zoos that keep antelope (in the US, at least), and the black wildebeest is... the opposite of that. They're in completely separate leagues. I've used them once, in a career map, simply because it seemed like the only option I could squeeze into a particular spot. As far as I'm concerned, the blue wildebeest may as well be our first and only wildebeest.

That's not to say I wouldn't have also enjoyed a blackbuck, or eland or kudu or dik-dik or whatever just as much. I still would like to see at least a few more antelope make it in, especially the blackbuck. I'm just thrilled that we finally have a sensible wildebeest to use.
 
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I agree the blue and black wildebeest are definitely not clones. Iā€™m actually very happy to have it in game and even ranked it in my top 25 on the other version of the meta list. We have a local wildlife park we go to and they actually had both species of wildebeest. They said the black wildebeest were quite aggressive in comparison and were kept alone while the blue were kept with a herd of zebra. Nonetheless still great to see the black wildebeest as their pretty rare in captivity.
 
On the subject of the wildebeest: It seems like I'm in the minority, but honestly, I hardly even register it as a clone. The blue wildebeest is such a genuinely iconic animal, and is commonly found in so many zoos that keep antelope (in the US, at least), and the black wildebeest is... the opposite of that. They're in completely separate leagues. I've used them once, in a career map, simply because it seemed like the only option I could squeeze into a particular spot. As far as I'm concerned, the blue wildebeest may as well be our first and only wildebeest.

That's not to say I wouldn't have also enjoyed a blackbuck, or eland or kudu or dik-dik or whatever just as much. I still would like to see at least a few more antelope make it in, especially the blackbuck. I'm just thrilled that we finally have a sensible wildebeest to use.
I believe we will see the dik-dik, duiker, or muntjac deer at some point in the game but I would see them coming in a sort of scrubland or forested DLC.

And I feel the same way about the blue wildebeest. It is such an iconic zoo animal it makes you wonder why it wasn't in the game at release. I also felt the same way about the caracal just flip-flopped. I think the serval would have been a more appropriate choice, just solely that I've seen it more in zoos and as part of animal programs. But it is still a nice addition and I can't complain that much.
 
I apologise but it's just becoming frustrating now.

I'm truly sorry if it's becoming frustrating to hear from us over and over again. That's not my intent. I too wish that PZ had begun responding to this earlier, so that the constant requests for flying birds would have faded into the background long ago, just as so many other requests have which have been fulfilled.

But for me, the point is exactly that so many of those other requests didn't stop appearing either until they got added to the game. What makes flying birds different from those other requests -- and what may make the requests for them seem so repetitive -- isn't some flaw with those players who want them, but rather is the result of how long they've been postponed compared to many other features that have been incorporated much more quickly.

Or to say it another way: I think that if deep diving or burrows or non-gridded pieces or flexicolor or educators or dioramas or any other item or mechanic that we've gotten over the past three years had not already been incorporated -- if we were still waiting for those for as long as we have been for flying birds -- then the continued requests for those things would appear to be just as loud, repetitive, and frustrating as what we're seeing now around flying birds. Just imagine if there had never been an Australian pack. Every release would be people asking for kangaroos and koalas -- and being just as vociferous about it. And we'd have long threads about how the kangaroo jumping mechanism must be really complicated to master, or how the technology is simply incapable of handling joeys in pouches...

Saying that we're "setting ourselves up for pain" is a way of pretending that the requesters are doing something different than everyone else (which we're not), instead of recognizing that it's the response (or lack of response, or slowness of response) that has been different. And saying that "nothing has been promised" is also pointing to the response (such as when they responded to builders by promising more pieces after SEA), rather than any real difference from the requesters.
 
I'm truly sorry if it's becoming frustrating to hear from us over and over again. That's not my intent. I too wish that PZ had begun responding to this earlier, so that the constant requests for flying birds would have faded into the background long ago, just as so many other requests have which have been fulfilled.

But for me, the point is exactly that so many of those other requests didn't stop appearing either until they got added to the game. What makes flying birds different from those other requests -- and what may make the requests for them seem so repetitive -- isn't some flaw with those players who want them, but rather is the result of how long they've been postponed compared to many other features that have been incorporated much more quickly.

Or to say it another way: I think that if deep diving or burrows or non-gridded pieces or flexicolor or educators or dioramas or any other item or mechanic that we've gotten over the past three years had not already been incorporated -- if we were still waiting for those for as long as we have been for flying birds -- then the continued requests for those things would appear to be just as loud, repetitive, and frustrating as what we're seeing now around flying birds. Just imagine if there had never been an Australian pack. Every release would be people asking for kangaroos and koalas -- and being just as vociferous about it. And we'd have long threads about how the kangaroo jumping mechanism must be really complicated to master, or how the technology is simply incapable of handling joeys in pouches...

Saying that we're "setting ourselves up for pain" is a way of pretending that the requesters are doing something different than everyone else (which we're not), instead of recognizing that it's the response (or lack of response, or slowness of response) that has been different. And saying that "nothing has been promised" is also pointing to the response (such as when they responded to builders by promising more pieces after SEA), rather than any real difference from the requesters.
Are you deliberately missing the point?

Let me repeat myself: You can want birds to the end of the world and back again. Nobody cares about that. Anybody can constantly request whatever they want! That isn't the issue, so stop pretending it is. The issue is that whenever the DLC is inevitably not birds, you guys start this whole "woe is me" act. That is what is annoying people, myself included. You don't actually get to be disappointed with Frontier because they never promised you anything.

To put it another way, you're walking into a vegan cafƩ and expecting meat, and then getting mad and upset that it isn't on the menu.
 
Anybody who feels "trolled", "taunted" or "made fun of" over the GENEROSITY of frontier to give us 5, FIVE, FIVE*!!!!! exhibit animals instead of one can just go and shut off.
Nevermind that butterflies where THE animal everybody was allways bringing up.
Like really who has never wanted butterflies in the game?
So really just next time when you write such stuff and being mad at frontier take a second, breath in, breath out and realise what an entitled fool you are for antagonising the company that just gifted is 4 extra animals.
Like jesus what the hell sometimes i really dont get you people
 
Saying that we're "setting ourselves up for pain" is a way of pretending that the requesters are doing something different than everyone else (which we're not)

I want to start by stressing that I want birds as much as you do. We played without birds in ZT2 for years and when they got modded in, as good as they were, they were always going to be an approximation of what birds are because we were so limited in what the game could do. The chance of having these animals in a zoo game that is miles ahead of the last zoo game I played is something I want more than anything.

However, I do disagree with what you're saying above because of what you said here below, and for me that sums it up in general.

I tell myself that the walk through exhibits are clearly building up to birds. (Which I absolutely believe). But I can't help but feel that even with that we're being trolled a little bit compared to other rollouts.
I feel like people want birds so bad, that the only possible reason they see why Frontier added the walk through exhibit is because they're building up to birds and almost refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that it was added because they wanted to add bats and butterflies for these two DLCs. It genuinely feels as if people simply cannot imagine that Frontier would add a new exhibit type just for these animals, but it might just very well be that. Because honestly, it really wouldn't be the first time Frontier does something like this.

You can already see it in other places as well, we have our first multi-species exhibit now and people are already jumping up and down again that that for sure has to mean that birds are the next step. But that again might just be because Frontier wanted to add butterfly houses and knew that butterfly houses house more than just one species of butterfly; hence they added that option. It again might very well just be added for that reason alone.

This might not be fun to think about, but there could be a whole myriad of reasons why Frontier might not be adding flying birds. There could be technical reasons why, they might have contractual obligations to other titles they have in the works that mean they can't bring enough people in the PZ team to face the challenge of animating several different species of birds, etc. I don't know the reason why we haven't seen them in the game either, but I prefer to think that I myself simply can't think of the reason instead of there not being an actual reason.

I just think it's important to realize that Frontier isn't trolling you. There isn't an "evil plan" (I know you don't mean it that way, but just in general) here where they're purposely holding back on birds just to mess with us. They might just still be working on it; but they might just not be at all because of reasons they have.

But as long as people are going to assume that the only possible reason walk through exhibits were added was to build up to birds, they're setting themselves up for pain. Because there really still is a very perfectly possible chance that it never was their intention. That it was just to add bats and butterflies. And as long as people can't accept that that's an option, they're going to keep expecting that the next DLC will be a birds pack or the next DLC will "for sure" include a bird, and they're going to keep being disappointed when it's not the case.


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Now, after my feathery "rant" is over, my opinion on the pack šŸ˜…

After the stream I was pretty convinced we were going to get a Grasslands pack, and I already had a list of animals I really wanted. Maned wolf, Bennet's wallaby, rhea/emu were the animals that I desperately hoped for and to see that all of them were added I'm just super hyped. I wasn't specifically looking forward or in need of a Caracal, but I'm not mad about them being added either, they are a cool addition.

Butterflies were a nice surprise, but they honestly felt like they were the ideal walk through exhibit animal. They're small and when you look at them in real life they pretty much don't do anything but fly around in circles and little loops so I feel they work perfect for the exhibit setup we have in the game. They're a nice addition, my only criticism I have with them is that I wish the exhibit didn't have to be 8m high for them as well, but from the screenshots it seems like it will be the case again. I feel like 6m high options should be included as well.

Now, the striped hyena and the blue wildebeest are not animals I'm mad about really, but I would have switched them with different animals. If I could only switch one, I'd just switch the wildebeest with an eland and then I feel the hyena in itself is a good addition as well. Ah well, I don't mind these really, the other animal choices are so good that I'm really hyped about this pack.

Looking back at the past year, as a zoo nerd I am overall quite satisfied with what we got. Capybara, Amur Leopard, Manded Wolf, Bennet's Wallaby,Nine-banded Armadillo, Emu, Przewalski's Horse, Siamang, Common Wombat, Platypus and Asian Small-clawed Otter were all zoo animals that I personally have been wanting in this game for ages, and to see all of them added to the game is a pure delight. Along the way other animals were added I'm happy to see, like the lechwe, the oryx, the bat and the raccoon.

This past year has further fleshed out the roster of the game and in all honesty, if this ends up being the last DLC we get, then I'm surprisingly satisfied with the roster. Good job Frontier, hopefully we get to see even more next year! šŸ‘
 
Anybody who feels "trolled", "taunted" or "made fun of" over the GENEROSITY of frontier to give us 5, FIVE, FIVE*!!!!! exhibit animals instead of one can just go and shut off.
Nevermind that butterflies where THE animal everybody was allways bringing up.
Like really who has never wanted butterflies in the game?
So really just next time when you write such stuff and being mad at frontier take a second, breath in, breath out and realise what an entitled fool you are for antagonising the company that just gifted is 4 extra animals.
Like jesus what the hell sometimes i really dont get you people
Plus it is the first career scenario in an animal pack. I know a lot of people don't care about them, myself included, but they do seem like something they put a lot of work into.
12 animals plus a career seems like more value for money than we are used to. At least for an animal pack.

They're a nice addition, my only criticism I have with them is that I wish the exhibit didn't have to be 8m high for them as well, but from the screenshots it seems like it will be the case again. I feel like 6m high options should be included as well.
You probably already tested the bats in all kinds of ways, but in case you didn't here is my experience with the 8m, which also scared me when we first got the new exhibit.

After removing the taller items and the ceiling, I have so far only noticed one loop where the bat would go over 6-6.5ish meters, and that is far from always present even in a big group.

So depending on the setup and what objects can and cannot be removed, I think we might not end up seeing a lot of butterflies using the full height of the exhibit. Especially since I don't expect them to have loops tied in with the ceiling like the bats do when you don't remove it. I guess we will find out soon enough.
 
I suppose it's new career scenario which is in Argentina, so it must be south America grasslands
I wondered that but this looks like a different map

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After removing the taller items and the ceiling, I have so far only noticed one loop where the bat would go over 6-6.5ish meters, and that is far from always present even in a big group.
Yeah, in general I hope that's the case with the butterflies as well, preferably they fly very low to the ground but I guess that's what they most likely are going to do anyway.

I wondered that but this looks like a different map
I think the map you're referring to is the Asian Temperate map, you can actually spot it in the trailer at 00:06, because the green grass in the left bottom corner is the more lime-ish yellow grass instead of the regular green grass.

They probably would have told us in the update if we were getting more biome skirts, so I think it's just the one we have ingame and it's just the blur on the screenshots and the trailer that makes it hard to recognize it.
 
What a pleasant DLC! I didn't really have a clue what to expect, but I'm very happy about a new animal pack. The armadillo is amazing, and I'm extremely happy for the maned wolf, the wallaby and the emu. Hyena and wildebeest weren't really on my list but are surely nice. And the butterflies are amazing! I was really hoping for something like this and the fact that they can be mixed is so great. I still believe this is paving the way for birds (probably not free-flying but I don't care as much), but that topic aside, butterfly halls are something I love in real zoos. So I can't wait to integrate them into my game and my tropical houses and everything.

Splendid pack, I think!
 
First of all, I am appalled that players happy about this DLC are called out for their ā€œservilityā€ by a few others who are disappointed by Frontierā€™s choices. There is absolutely no need for it and I donā€™t see any of that in the comments here. On the contrary - some people seem to try very hard to find fault with everything. But hey, everybody is entitled to their opinion. I definitely tend to belong to the people that see the glass half full instead of half empty. Makes for a much happier life!

So, letā€™s focus on something positive: The running blue wildebeest in the trailer really seem to be moving as a herd! This scene and its scenery are just absolutely beautiful. I do not care that much about the black wildebeest (in game and irl), but to me, the blue one looks stunning.

Altogether, I am very happy about this DLC and selection of animals. And people who know me would call me anything but ā€œservileā€ā€¦ šŸ˜‡
 
I'm just pleased to see both wildebeests are making into the game; meaning there's still plenty more for future DLCs to cover.
Because let's not kid ourselves, if only known animals were in dlc, Planet Zoo was no longer supported, because most people would no longer buy dlc with "clones". And that's always one more species.
There is still a large selection of animals that can appear in the game as "headliders." You probably know what I mean.

As for the butterflies, I think they will be separate species, not colors, because they themselves wrote "first-ever interspecies-compatible exhibit animals." But I'd like to hear it from the creators.

I'm also interested in how many species of grasses will come to the game. Because I can't tell if it's "normal grass" or a separate plant.
 
I'm also interested in how many species of grasses will come to the game. Because I can't tell if it's "normal grass" or a separate plant.
Yesss!, Thank you ! My thought exactly too!!! I mean every time I say we need pampas grass, people are like "why do we even need it, its just common reeds"
I'm like "....." whenever I hear it...
 
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