PLEASE MAKE POWERPLAY IN "OPEN ONLY"

[Arry]

It really bums me out to see people who don't even LIKE PowerPlay coming in here and posting extensively about why it may not ever ever ever go to Open Only, because this would defile The Sanctity of The Modes. Which is such disingenuous nonsense. Where were you when Frontier added Wings, CQC, and multicrew?

I'm fine with someone arguing that Open Only would be a bad unfun idea which would make the game worse, but this leaning on so-called Principles has got to go. We're not discussing a Constitutional Amendment, here; so quit pretending like there's something grand and earth-shaking at stake where tweaking PowerPlay somehow crosses a line that would corrupt us all forever if we crossed it. That line has been crossed over and over with great regularity - in fact it's not a line at all - and there's nothing about tweaking PowerPlay that isn't completely normal humdrum run-of-the-mill behavior for Frontier and for Elite.

You don't like it? Say that. Say why. But if all you've got is some grandiose appeal to a nonexistent tradition, you might want to take a step back and ask yourself why you suddenly care so much about an abstract design principle which Frontier has never shown any consistent adherence to in the past.

I play in open. Therefore I accept meeting any genuine PvP players. When I go back to power play, I will do so also, in the open mode. This is my own choice and always will be.

I guess that you are missing the point, that removing something from two, of the three modes of play, may be an issue to those who never play in Open. But why not, because they obviously don't matter to you, possibly not even exist; as far as your mind-set is concerned.

CQC is a mode open to all and IS a choice of play. Many made a lot of noise, about having to look at the ranking, for what is basically an arcade game.
Wings and Multi-crew are not just available to open exclusively. Solo players are still waiting for NPC wings to be implemented and yes; those players re making a lot of noise about that.

As to 'principals'. Just because the such things are smirked at and belittled, by this modern world, where cheats, liers and thieves are the looked up to as sucesses; does not make it any less important. You live by the standards you choose to, but don't complain when anarchy, becomes the order of the day. F.D. and others like myself; will continue to stick to our principles.

 

[xondk]

If only you could go back in time and experience it first hand.

I did not say it was presented as PvP. It began with strong PvP elements (like piracy) that got nerfed because they could be exploited though.

Powerplay was supposed to be where Powers could die and be removed via collapse. It was the underpinning feature that drove you to expand, and if you did not (and were in the bottom 3) you were in danger of collapse and being removed.

Once that happened Powerplay lost its direction, and main selling point. Ever since its limped along as a half a mechanic filling the bubble up.

I was there at the time, I am well aware of how it went.
I think your logic is flawed "it began with strong PvP elements (like piracy)", is a flawed statement because NPC piracy is a very real thing and way to fight with the Powerplay mechanics. But a lot of people seem to skip over that and simply go "Piracy means PvP" which simply is not true, and no, it was never nerfed.

What powerplay was supposed to be has absolutely and utterly nothing to do with PvP mechanics, because there never were any specifically, you are seemingly dismissing this fact outright because you do not want to be true?

FD should do what is right for that feature now, and not be bound by the past. We have had years of data and results. We know what works and what does not, and how Powerplay sits with other advanced features.

Who determines what is 'right' to do for powerplay? you? someone else? and that is the problem with this whole debate, your statements are biased from your view, if you have data do present it, but I do not believe you have any factual data that in any way shape or form would indicate towards PvP, towards the mechanics which do not care if it is or isn't PvP.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

It really bums me out to see people who don't even LIKE PowerPlay coming in here and posting extensively about why it may not ever ever ever go to Open Only, because this would defile The Sanctity of The Modes. Which is such disingenuous nonsense. Where were you when Frontier added Wings, CQC, and multicrew?

Sanctity of modes is just one reason against it. Different people have different reasons.

And the reason some of us at least don't like powerplay has nothing to do with modes, its to do with the mechanics, open or otherwise. We would like PP to become something a lot more interesting and engaging, and i think many of the open only proponents would like the same.

As for where were we when FD adding wings, CQC, and multicrew, we were right here as well. Not sure what your beef with wings is. CQC, can't speak for others, but i've posted my criticisms of that, and while i enjoy it, i think overall it was wasted dev time. Multicrew, i like the SLF feature. Turrets, meh. But i like it in general, just wish i had more reasons to do it and the time to do it more often.

However, don't conflate matters. We are discussing PP here, and people who find themselves on opposing sides over PP might find themselves as allies over a different topic.

 

[Rubbernuke]

I was there at the time, I am well aware of how it went.
I think your logic is flawed "it began with strong PvP elements (like piracy)", is a flawed statement because NPC piracy is a very real thing and way to fight with the Powerplay mechanics. But a lot of people seem to skip over that and simply go "Piracy means PvP" which simply is not true, and no, it was never nerfed.

What powerplay was supposed to be has absolutely and utterly nothing to do with PvP mechanics, because there never were any specifically, you are seemingly dismissing this fact outright because you do not want to be true?

Where did collusion piracy go then? Why did it get nerfed? Why in the first place was it there?

Who determines what is 'right' to do for powerplay? you? someone else? and that is the problem with this whole debate, your statements are biased from your view, if you have data do present it, but I do not believe you have any factual data that in any way shape or form would indicate towards PvP, towards the mechanics which do not care if it is or isn't PvP.

As I say these are my views, I express them as fully as I can from what I have learnt over the years. I extrapolate what I think Sandros proposals would be like in the game, based on what I know and have experienced. And on balance I think Open would be good, hence why I'm arguing for it.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Why did it get nerfed? Why in the first place was it there?

Because players can't be trusted to contest interactions that are meant to be contested.

Possibly to give players a chance to prove that they could be trusted....

 

[Velixar]

Are you going to pay for everyone Xbox membership Rubbernuke? So Xbox players can continue playing power play if it open mode only? If not then this lame idea is a fail.

It only $40.00 for 12 months Times how many Xbox power play members

 

[Darkfyre99]

Well the Feds are quite active around tick time. Join in Powerplay and see!

I’m sure that there’s quite a bit of activity around tick time. Approximately 20% of workers are employed in shift work (aka outside the traditional 8am - 4pm Monday thru Friday job). Until two weeks ago, I was one of them. And I’m sure that there’s some hyper-competitive types along the Pacific Rim who might stay up late or get up early to drop a “bomb” right before the tick.

But the rest of the Powerplayerbase is, without a doubt, either in bed, or at work or school, during the tick.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Are you going to pay for everyone Xbox membership Rubbernuke? So Xbox players can continue playing power play if it open mode only? If not then this lame idea is a fail.

It only $40.00 for 12 months Times how many Xbox power play members

Looks a pretty sweet deal https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/live/gold

Maybe a better buy than a game next time.

 

[Rubbernuke]

I’m sure that there’s quite a bit of activity around tick time. Approximately 20% of workers are employed in shift work (aka outside the traditional 8am - 4pm Monday thru Friday job). Until two weeks ago, I was one of them. And I’m sure that there’s some hyper-competitive types along the Pacific Rim who might stay up late or get up early to drop a “bomb” right before the tick.

But the rest of the Powerplayerbase is, without a doubt, either in bed, or at work or school, during the tick.

Five minutes before the tick everyone is scanning forts, expansions and prep / consolidation. Like I said, join in and find out, Powerplay like this is the only part of the game that makes you wake up early to see the master plan come to fruition.

The only people who will ever know is FD. I'd love to see what data they have.

 

[Velixar]

Looks a pretty sweet deal https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/live/gold

Maybe a better buy than a game next time.

So are you willing paying every Xbox power play members? I be all for open only. If YOU pay for it. I did not have the funds to buy a computer. So I had to go the cheapest route.

 

[Rubbernuke]

So are you willing paying every Xbox power play members? I be all for open only. If YOU pay for it. I did not have the funds to buy a computer. So I had to go the cheapest route.

Why don't you get a paper round? Open Powerplay will be worth the pennies it requires each week.

 

[Velixar]

Why don't you get a paper round? Open Powerplay will be worth the pennies it requires each week.

You know that might work 10 years ago. When Newspaper was a thing. But everyone gets there Newspaper online.

SO Pay for my and every other Xbox player membership and I believe most Xbox user will support this idea.

 

[WR3ND]

You know that might work 10 years ago. When Newspaper was a thing. But everyone gets there Newspaper online.

SO Pay for my and every other Xbox player membership and I believe most Xbox user will support this idea.

Regardless of who pays for what, I think it's a valid concern for game feature accessibility for console players. So, fair point, IMO.

Was this always the case that console players need to pay extra for the online gaming features for Open to work for them? For some reason I thought this wasn't the case before.

 

[Rubbernuke]

You know that might work 10 years ago. When Newspaper was a thing. But everyone gets there Newspaper online.

SO Pay for my and every other Xbox player membership and I believe most Xbox user will support this idea.

So no XBone player has a sub anymore? None at all?

I'm not surprised people want to be paid to play Powerplay as it is currently.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Are you going to pay for everyone Xbox membership Rubbernuke? So Xbox players can continue playing power play if it open mode only? If not then this lame idea is a fail.

It only $40.00 for 12 months Times how many Xbox power play members

Don't forget Playstation folks! If Rubbernuke is paying for the xboners then he should pay for the PSers. Let's have console parity here!

 

[xondk]

Where did collusion piracy go then? Why did it get nerfed? Why in the first place was it there?

That again has nothing to do with PvP which is what you keep bringing up, why fifth column was an obvious misuse of game mechanics, it was an obvious flaw in the design of the mechanic that allowed people to do something that made no lorewise or gameplay sense.
Claiming otherwise is folly, there was nothing illegal in the action itself, people used a mechanic that frontier made available, but it was pretty obvious that it was not an intended mechanism, because it was very obviously working against the best of the faction, something that lets say the faction leaders had a dedicated GM controlling them, would quickly be spottet and the people doing it kicked out.

As I say these are my views, I express them as fully as I can from what I have learnt over the years. I extrapolate what I think Sandros proposals would be like in the game, based on what I know and have experienced. And on balance I think Open would be good, hence why I'm arguing for it.

We all speak from what we know, but you are not presenting anything about 'why' it would be good, you are saying "it would be good" and "this is better" but not presenting any real 'why' behind it, why would open only be better? the ONLY difference it would make it maybe increasing the chance of finding players and attacking them.
And as already established that is a poor way to do Powerplay, the mechanics simply do not back that up.
So yeah, it might add that certain tactics for PvP, might improve some, it might also not work, there is absolutely no guarantee that you'll get matchmade with those people you want to hunt down.
There is also the fact that it may make people that enjoy the current none PvP focus, back away from powerplay and truly make it dwindle, but often expressed in threads like this, people that want a PvP focus see that as a "win" because the others are not "playing the game right" or insert various demeaning expressions on those that enjoy not being forced into PvP?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

So no XBone player has a sub anymore? None at all?

I'm not surprised people want to be paid to play Powerplay as it is currently.

I have a playstation, i won't pay the playstation tax though just to play online. Its one reason why my main gaming rig remains the PC. I think its outrageous people on consoles need to pay for what we PC users get for free.

It may be though that open only would remove the option to do PP for people who simply can't afford the monthy subscription.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

That again has nothing to do with PvP which is what you keep bringing up, why fifth column was an obvious misuse of game mechanics, it was an obvious flaw in the design of the mechanic that allowed people to do something that made no lorewise or gameplay sense.
Claiming otherwise is folly, there was nothing illegal in the action itself, people used a mechanic that frontier made available, but it was pretty obvious that it was not an intended mechanism, because it was very obviously working against the best of the faction, something that lets say the faction leaders had a dedicated GM controlling them, would quickly be spottet and the people doing it kicked out.

We all speak from what we know, but you are not presenting anything about 'why' it would be good, you are saying "it would be good" and "this is better" but not presenting any real 'why' behind it, why would open only be better? the ONLY difference it would make it maybe increasing the chance of finding players and attacking them.
And as already established that is a poor way to do Powerplay, the mechanics simply do not back that up.

Actually, to stand on Rubbernuke's side for a brief moment, in the past he has often explained why he thinks it would make PP better. You might disagree with his reasoning, but all we have is opinion for now, and even if FD did make open only happen, it would still be subjective. Some people would say "this is better" and some would say "this is worse".

 

[xondk]

Actually, to stand on Rubbernuke's side for a brief moment, in the past he has often explained why he thinks it would make PP better. You might disagree with his reasoning, but all we have is opinion for now, and even if FD did make open only happen, it would still be subjective. Some people would say "this is better" and some would say "this is worse".

Yeah, accidental submission without my elaboration of the topic, I've tried to keep up, but there's a ton of posts and cannot exclude that I've missed some. But the statements seem still vague and one-sided. The main problem with powerplay as I've seen it represented is the mechanics of it, not that it isn't open only.

 

[WR3ND]

Personally, I'm in favor of all the game mechanics and gameplay progression methods making more sense contextually, regardless of what mode they're in. That being said, I do think the game should strive to maintain feature accessibility between all the modes.

Some might not like more competent and contextually capable NPCs in the game though, unfortunately.