Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it can't happen to somebody, and it certainly doesn't make it "invalid". That's anecdotal evidence.
Please report harassment and bullying in game - it's AGAINST the EULA
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Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it can't happen to somebody, and it certainly doesn't make it "invalid". That's anecdotal evidence.
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Care to link to that answer? I'd love to read what they had to say on the matter.
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Let (s)he for whom this has happened to step forth.
Too often this forum delves into hyperbole and extreme straw man scenarios to guide our positions on policies and visions of how the game is actually being experienced. Warped and completely devoid of any actual personal experiences to support it. "Someone somewhere, maybe" is not a valid starting point for a discussion. It's make-believe.
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Harassment is still possible (regardless of how it is implemented), but with the Block function it can probably be avoided to a large degree (depending on how such a mode is implemented that may not be entirely true).Apologies in advance.... but I'm pretty sure harassment is unlikely in an OPEN PvE mode
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Apologies in advance.... but I'm pretty sure harassment is unlikely in an OPEN PvE mode
Its very possible....one time while playing in open i was in my Imperial Cutter minding my own business and a Sidewinder (must have been wanted I didnt see the status it happened so fast) started inappropriately rubbing up against the aft of my ship. I felt so violated and I was too ashamed to say anything until now. This thread has given me the courage that I needed to stand up for myself! THANK YOU!
..wondering if i'm posting in a stealth: don't combat log, but take it like a man... thread
Apologies in advance.... but I'm pretty sure harassment is unlikely in an OPEN PvE mode
(sorry I couldn't help it)..
Folks... carry on as you are! (just passing through!)
Harassment is more likely in an Open PvE mode, because it will be more fun to work around the rules and players will be even more irate that they're being harassed in a game in which they're not supposed to be capable of getting harassed.
Apologies in advance.... but I'm pretty sure harassment is unlikely in an OPEN PvE mode
You must be new to online gaming.
Easy scenario: You go to a RES site and another CMDR is there. You start competing for last-hits on most ships in the RES site. Only the last hit gets the bounty gold. Your ship may have slightly more alpha damage allowing you to get most of the last hits. But he was there first and he's getting pretty damn angry that you've come out of nowhere with your much bigger guns and are now taking his income away from him without any real recourse for him. He can't even relog into Open PvE becuase you'll still be there. For him it was the best RES site and spawn table he'd found all day. So...he opens up his comms and unleashes a torrent of enraged comments about how you're a piece of garbage and why don't you go somewhere else you damn monkey, blah blah blah with as many crude words about your mother/girlfirend/wife as he can muster up.
Think that won't happen? It will happen in any online game where resources are a zero sum game and someone can show up and effectively force someone else to either have to relocate or fight for scraps.
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While amusing, you should not make light of such things - the sarcasm is palpable.
The overriding point of the OP was essentially a re-iteration of what I have said in various forms in these forums - ppl should report any cases where they genuinely feel that they have been harassed/bullied using the appropriate tools. FD are the judge and jury, not us.
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I'm sorry but nowhere in the EULA it says it's for RL related harassment ONLY. End User Licence Agreement are the rules to which you agree when you use the software provided. In other words, Elite is a game which has certain rules. If a player breaks those rules, they are acting against the agreement with Frontier. It doesn't matter if it was related to RL. All that matter is that it's happened in game.
And the Report Player function in game is there for a reason - to... report players that break the rules. If the rules are vague and open to interpretatio - it's Frontier who will decide on the outcome.
If you think about it a bit longer, there is almost no behaviour that fundamentally cannot be construed as harassment/bullying. That is IMHO part what drives this discussion: the complete inability to see the other person's perspective. "I dont like it, so it is harassment.", or "I dont mean nothing by it, its not harassment."
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Again, this doesn't matter AT ALL, because it will be Frontier's decision.
I'll tell you this much. If the forums over the past couple of mnonths aren't sufficient evidence that Dev need to stop this non-interventionist stance on C&P for fear that someone somewhere won't like whatever changes they make and instead actually crap or get off the pot, I don't know what is.
When I first started playing this game 14 months or so ago, Dangerous Discussion was full of useful info that really helped me get a toehold in the game. Yes there were threads about combat logging, pve vs pvp, open pve mode and so on but they were relatively few and included at least some nuanced discussion.
Now, it seems that anything other than repeatedly gnawing the bones of these topics is marginalised content. I suspect that it's in large part because FDev have sat on their hands on the topic of C&P for so long and what we're seeing here is old wounds left to fester.
Regardless of what is causing it, I wonder how many of you actually take a step back and think just what this forum must look like to someone considering buying the game. Imagine someone from the Planet Coaster forum thinking 'I'll have a look at this Elite Dangerous, see what the deal is with it'. I wouldn't even think about buying the game based on the impression I would have of the toxicity within the player base from these discussions.
When I first started playing this game 14 months or so ago, Dangerous Discussion was full of useful info that really helped me get a toehold in the game. Yes there were threads about combat logging, pve vs pvp, open pve mode and so on but they were relatively few and included at least some nuanced discussion.
Now, it seems that anything other than repeatedly gnawing the bones of these topics is marginalised content. I suspect that it's in large part because FDev have sat on their hands on the topic of C&P for so long and what we're seeing here is old wounds left to fester.
Regardless of what is causing it, I wonder how many of you actually take a step back and think just what this forum must look like to someone considering buying the game. Imagine someone from the Planet Coaster forum thinking 'I'll have a look at this Elite Dangerous, see what the deal is with it'. I wouldn't even think about buying the game based on the impression I would have of the toxicity within the player base from these discussions.
Essentially, you hit the nail on the head - but perhaps have missed the overriding point - FD are the ones that put themselves in the situation where they have to deal with such minutia. It is the curse of running an on-line game.
From our perspective, as gamers so long as we employ common sense with respect to our activities on-line we should never fall foul of genuine accusations. Anyone that habitually engages in KOS behaviours where other players are concerned IMO is not employing much common sense if any.
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yeah we have ABSOLUTELY established it is frontiers decision (who elses could it possibly be? perhaps the police should get involved lol) and that isn't gonna change for minor issues like this... perhaps 10 commanders in 1 million suffer from actual bullying/harassment in this game then they can easily report it and have it fixed.
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Good job grabbing the moral high ground, Red. I briefly thought about doing the same thing, but gnawing bones sounded like more fun!
Also: he started it!!!
Incidentally: I feel like the eyes of your avatar are following me from across the room
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I make light of EVERYTHING lol I find the most inappropriate things funny. Life is funny...thats my perspective. And the worst thing about my story is that the whole time it was happening the Sidewinder cmdr kept saying how beautiful my ship was....
It is a horrible feeling to have your ship destroyed by another player in any fashion over and over, but that is not harassment and it also can be avoided, same as unwanted communications.
Sure, interpret it as you want. I am just pointing out that quite likely legal departments in ANY online environment put this in for the reasons I mentioned. Its not *only* that, but that is why its there. If you think legal will care about hurt feelings after a T6 is blown up, thats fine. If anyone feels wronged, please indeed do report it and let FD decide. But do keep things in perspective a bit. Its a bit silly to presume legal had a meeting in 2013 and the following happened:
Lawyer 1: "So, we're all done here?"
Lawyer 2: "Hang on, just a sec. What if during a CG a T6 is attacked for the third time?"
Lawyer 1: "What about it?"
Lawyer 2: "Couldnt that be harassment?"
Lawyer 1: "Well, give me some context. Did the trader influence the attacker's BGS?"
Lawyer 2: "Somewhat, he did offload some gold to a rival outpost..."
Lawyer 1: "Did he intentionally jeoparidze the BGS activities of the attacker?"
Lawyer 2: "Could be, but if so did the attacker know of that intent?"
Lawyer 1: "Hmm, suppose not, but he might. What was the attacker flying anyway?"
Lawyer 2: "An FdL."
Lawyer 1: "Engineered?"
Lawyer 2: "Oh, thats miles from release, or thats what Sandro told me."
Lawyer 1: "Yeah, but an FdL wont be in either."
Lawyer 2: "Crap, really?"
Lawyer 1: "Yeah, really."
Lawyer 2: "So then its not a FdL?"
Lawyer 1: "Okay, make it a Python."
Lawyer 2: "Isnt a T6 faster than a Python?"
Lawyer 1: "Thats not really the point is it?"
Lawyer 2: "Well, its not really harassment if you refuse to just fly away."
Lawyer 1: "Thats blaming the victim, shame on you."
Lawyer 2: "Oh common, it is just a game man."
Lawyer 1: "I guess so. You know what, just put something vague in there about not being a dringlooze."
Lawyer 2: "How about 'Dont be nasty or someone may do something, possibly?'"
Lawyer 1: "Sounds fair. Lunch?"
Lawyer 2: "We're still in Cambridge, remember? Lets get out plane back to the continent and have some proper food."
Lawyer 1: "Good thinking, I'll get my coat."
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Agreed. I did say in the OP that I don't think that harassment is a massive issue in Elite. IMHO both the starter systems and Shinrarta Dezhra are most prone to such behaviour.
I make light of EVERYTHING lol I find the most inappropriate things funny. Life is funny...thats my perspective. And the worst thing about my story is that the whole time it was happening the Sidewinder cmdr kept saying how beautiful my ship was....
When you're famous, you can march up to any ship you like and just give them the 'ol bowling ball grip right by the pulse laser
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