Isn't it a little late for that? The game was already sold to customers on the explicit basis of all modes being equivalent - Powerplay is advertised on Frontiers website as accessible and affected by ALL players...you can't just go around locking a substantial proportion of the userbase out of core gameplay functions merely because there's a tiny number of PvP players who want Powerplay to be the first step on the way to Elite becoming Eve 2.0...
Isn't it a little late for that? The game was already sold to customers on the explicit basis of all modes being equivalent - Powerplay is advertised on Frontiers website as accessible and affected by ALL players...you can't just go around locking a substantial proportion of the userbase out of core gameplay functions merely because there's a tiny number of PvP players who want Powerplay to be the first step on the way to Elite becoming Eve 2.0...
this is nonsense, whole PP mechanic which we have now is made for all three modes where Solo and PG are more suited for it. Cheating is something completely different. Simplicity and boring mechanism even allow bots use, bcs there is not needed use human brain for it. I personally like idea about PP in Open much, but in state which is now it will not work. PP as idea (minor powers) is great, it could add allot to ED, but its implementation is killing it (imo).
When there is a competition between 2 players and one person changes the way the two players interacts, so that the other player cannot oppose, stop, or prevent the actions of the first player, is cheating.
So lets play a game of chess where i can move my pieces without you being able to see them and not knowing when im moving them either.
Phew. Luckily I haven't changed the way anyone can interact with me: I play ED exactly as FD have designed it. So it looks like I'm not cheating.
So if PP becomes Open Only, thus changing how players in PG/Solo interact with it (ie, they won't be able to), then that's cheating by your definition, right?
You can oppose the actions, filling the same pve buckets they are. But you chose to come to the forums and moan.
Of course, because pew pew should be the only allowable gameplay to be enjoyed. If you don't, then you don't deserve to play I guess. /s
It's likely to decrease the pool of PvE players and increase the pool of PvP players.
Cheating is going against the rules. Please refer to the rule that states you are not allowed to play Powerplay in solo.
You might find it unfair, but unless you can produce that rule, you can't call it cheating.
As long as pp is oopp only then its not an issue, not a problem and wont be cheating anymore.
Powerplay commanders do a lot of swing roles, so it will be all of that each cycle- PvP, PvE, forting and prepping. If you take a look at the Discords and Reddits you'll see this in action.
Its not cheating, but it creates an imbalance.
You'd change the game to make a seemingly popular method of playing into a cheat? I suspect this in itself is more against the spirit of the game than anything else discussed here.
Well yes you got me there, this is only my opinion, and not an actual frontier rule.
But I get to put my two cents in since I do power play and fly in open. Just like those that only fly in solo and dont do power play and make it a huge issue that "you-better-not-change-my-playstyle" while demanding that I change my playstyle to accommodate them.
This
That's not only absurd, it's exactly the kind of hyperbole-ridden nonsense that impedes any balanced and thoughtful discussion about, well anything.
In some peole's opinion, perhaps. Within the current context of PP, no it isn't. Much like the BGS, the current implementation of PP is really more about indirect token-PvP rather than combat PvP - at least in terms of being successful - and as that is how it was designed and implemented, naff comparisons to chess or football are less than useless.
I suspect there are more people with this outlook than people realise.
In all the threads about OOPP, I've yet to weigh in on preference. As a 99% PvE player, I genuinely believe both PP and the game in general would stand to benefit from making PP Open Only, but it would need to be bundled with some other changes to the game (in addition to the changes put forth by Sandro), such as...
PP Headquarters need to be HighSec and teeming with Security and ATR that scan and attack any enemy Power ship (with a bounty or not?)
PP Control systems need be HighSec and similarly populated with aggressive security
- That'd make me feel safer coming and going with my leaflets, and allow me to plot a safe(ish) route
- If enemies want to try and intercept & follow me leaving Hq/Control, they're going to need a wake and manifest scanner in place of SB stacking
Pledging/Leaving needs to be far more serious re benefits and repercussions - ie weeks/months not days
PP weapons need to be Major Power locked - no more APAs on rebuy for Feds/Alli, etc.
- That'd make for different strengths/weaknesses between enemies who do engage in combat PvP - less single meta nonsense
Hireable NPC escorts?
Edit: I already fly exclusively in Open and would never support any move toward OOBGS
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"That's extremely unfair for PvP and blatatly unbalanced, it will never work because PvP is only PvP when one player can kill helpless players. They can't be allowed to enjoy this game because they're playing it wrong."
Yes i would. Open is multiplayer. If frontier didnt want player vs player competition then there should have never been an open mode.
My suggestion. Make solo offline only and make pg local save only where both modes have no influence on open.
My suggestion; get rid of open. Only have pg/solo; no more moaning from open only advocates, you can pvp in a pg where you can make whatever rules you like.
Or leave it to FD to decide what is best for their game.[yesnod]
Yes, its their game.
Multiplayer is identical and equivalent to PvP is it? There's no such thing as co-operative multi-player???