∞ probes?

[askavir]

Still don't get why some folks can't accept a bit of handwaving about the DSS passively collecting the trace gas and dust to make the probes. Whatever. I guess some folks just want to make ever more levels of in-game grind? Deeper and deeper the rabbit holes go for them.

I guess they want to forget ED is a game. Maybe they don't enjoy a game unless it's a second or third or fourth job? Maybe games aren't meant to be enjoyable?

I'll put this in a different way: why even having to launch several probes to map an entire planet?

As of now, with infiinite probes, failing to map any planet is 100% impossible, and there is little to no difference between being able to map the whole planet with 3 probes, or with 38 probes. So why not have simply firing a single probe and let it map the whole planet, or use some scanner pulse or something instead of probes?

As it stands, there is little to no point for the probe launching minigame, which has already been nerfed into a gimmick even before it was released, and all the effort creating the probe launching system, with considerations to gravity, speed, hit angle, etc, is kind of wasted.

That being said, between infinite probes, and the original 200 probes, I'll take the infinite probes.

 

[kofeyh]

Not even star-stuff - space isn't a total vacuum, it's more of a sparse plasma - which the DSS will now collect passively to keep building probes.

Cool; so have it regenerate over time? Not unlimited. Not limited. Or is that hand waving? I dunno, man. Maybe there's a bit too much thinking going on. I'll wait till Beta. This is just gonna turn into a circular argument.

 

[Bryan K]

Say ADS will have 1000 probes ammo, which you could restock by using synthesis of many low tier mats or by visiting any station. Gives a nice buffer for exploring for free a while, then you either restock or synthesize those.

Someone else who doesn’t understand that synthesis of any kind is not possible for non-Horizons players. Seems like over half the folks proposing an ammo limit miss this.

 

[kofeyh]

Say ADS will have 1000 probes ammo, which you could restock by using synthesis of many low tier mats or by visiting any station. Gives a nice buffer for exploring for free a while, then you either restock or synthesize those.

1.x players don't have materials. So you've just removed an entire part of exploration for them. Sure, they should upgrade, but since Frontier is foolishly still maintaining 1.x and hasn't actually just released 2.x for everyone already, they do have to think about others.

At the end of the day, Frontier has just had to be a bit practical. The only thing Frontier could use, is hydrogen. That's it; it's the only thing all editions of the game have access to, as far as a resource is concerned.

 

[kofeyh]

That being said, between infitnite probes, and the original 200 probes, I'll take the infinite probes.

Honestly I just don't see how this can be at all manageable unless it's made almost trivial; eg refresh via fuel scoop. Anything else materials wise will not work for 1.x players so we're back to square one. Between "convoluted outcome that breaks features across updates" and unlimited? I'll take unlimited and not lose any sleep over it.

There's so much more to the update; people just see "unlimited" and freak out, rather than consider the context; something Frontier has actually done for once.

 

[Weps]

1.x players don't have materials. So you've just removed an entire part of exploration for them. Sure, they should upgrade, but since Frontier is foolishly still maintaining 1.x and hasn't actually just released 2.x for everyone already, they do have to think about others.

At the end of the day, Frontier has just had to be a bit practical. The only thing Frontier could use, is hydrogen. That's it; it's the only thing all editions of the game have access to, as far as a resource is concerned.

Wait, don't 1.x players get mats coming out of mined asteroids? I was under the impression that they do.

 

[KG_Jedi]

Well, true. No idea where non-Horizons would get mats.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

Someone else who doesn’t understand that synthesis of any kind is not possible for non-Horizons players. Seems like over half the folks proposing an ammo limit miss this.

1.x players don't have materials. So you've just removed an entire part of exploration for them. Sure, they should upgrade, but since Frontier is foolishly still maintaining 1.x and hasn't actually just released 2.x for everyone already, they do have to think about others.

At the end of the day, Frontier has just had to be a bit practical. The only thing Frontier could use, is hydrogen. That's it; it's the only thing all editions of the game have access to, as far as a resource is concerned.

Wait, don't 1.x players get mats coming out of mined asteroids? I was under the impression that they do.

Well, true. No idea where non-Horizons would get mats.

Haven't you all read my proposal?

BASIC SCANNER: 200 probes
INTERMEDIATE SCANNER: 2000 probes
ADVANCED SCANNER: Unlimited probes

Non-Horizons players are limited to the use of the Advanced Scanner!
It's not so hard!!!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/451522-Another-proposal-for-unlimited-probes-Basic-Interm-Scanner-got-limited-Advanced-got-unlimited

 

[Bryan K]

Haven't you read my proposal?

BASIC SCANNER: 200 probes
INTERMEDIATE SCANNER: 2000 probes
ADVANCED SCANNER: Unlimited probes

Non-Horizons players are limited to the use of the Advanced Scanner!
It's not so hard!!!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/451522-Another-proposal-for-unlimited-probes-Basic-Interm-Scanner-got-limited-Advanced-got-unlimited

So every non-Horizons player out in the black with an IDS is basically screwed, then. Sorry, but that’s a bad idea.

Wait, don't 1.x players get mats coming out of mined asteroids? I was under the impression that they do.

Nope. No Synthesis at all. Had a buddy who refused to buy Horizons. I finally had to buy it for him as a birthday gift.

 

[CMDR RAY-ZOR'SHARP]

Infinite Probes is a great call, there may be hundreds, thousends of player out there with no mining laser or SRV, killing mapping and forcing a return to outfiting, which may not even be possible on some ship builds, forcing another change. Plain ED even worse, though I see intergration of Horizons on the Horizon.

Not immersion breaking for me, not going to give it a second thought, one less thing to worry about.

 

[kofeyh]

Wait, don't 1.x players get mats coming out of mined asteroids? I was under the impression that they do.

Don't think people can synthesise the same in 1.x and 2.x? Meanwhile, any 1.x players now need to find a mining laser; 2.x truck on as usual. I'm not sure people have thought this through. Developer seems to have, even if it's not ideal.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

While I would have prefered a limited ammo (say about 1-2000) and having to synthesis them and having more reasons to explore planets (I enjoy SRVing on planets) I can live with the infinite ammo.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

So every non-Horizons player out in the black with an IDS is basically screwed, then. Sorry, but that’s a bad idea.

Very simple instead: with Q4 all scanners will be upgraded automatically anyway, also basic and intermediate.
Non Horizons player will be automatically upgraded with the unlimited version because it's the only version allowed with that type of account.

As simple as that...

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

So every non-Horizons player out in the black with an IDS is basically screwed, then. Sorry, but that’s a bad idea.


Nope. No Synthesis at all. Had a buddy who refused to buy Horizons. I finally had to buy it for him as a birthday gift.

Maybe they could ask FDev to teleport them to civilisation to upgrade and back again after the update. They have done similar things in the past.

 

[Bryan K]

Very simple instead: with Q4 all scanners will be upgraded automatically anyway, also basic and intermediate.
Non Horizons player will be automatically upgraded with the unlimited version because it's the only version allowed with that type of account.

As simple as that...

That’s even more “gamey” than infinite probes. Also kind of screws over everyone who had to save up early on to buy their first ADS.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

While I would have prefered a limited ammo (say about 1-2000) and having to synthesis them and having more reasons to explore planets (I enjoy SRVing on planets) I can live with the infinite ammo.

I guess everyone can live with that... but we're in pre-beta now, so we've the chance to suggest a better compromise that makes everyone happy.

here is mine with Basic and Intermediate Scanners: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...rm-Scanner-got-limited-Advanced-got-unlimited

 

[ifthisworks]

Look, if you want to be forced to do something in the game, just do it anyway, and sod everyone else and their opinions.

If you feel the need to combine 5 different materials, all sourced from different style planets and asteroids, to make a magic probe, there is nothing to stop you doing it. Enjoy yourself. Make it as difficult or easy as you want. There, it wasn't that difficult was it.

Versus me being forced to do something I've done a million times already, that I don't really want to be forced to do again, to enjoy another part of the pretend galaxy.

 

[kofeyh]

Haven't you all read my proposal?

BASIC SCANNER: 200 probes
INTERMEDIATE SCANNER: 2000 probes
ADVANCED SCANNER: Unlimited probes

Non-Horizons players are limited to the use of the Advanced Scanner!
It's not so hard!!!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/451522-Another-proposal-for-unlimited-probes-Basic-Interm-Scanner-got-limited-Advanced-got-unlimited

Yes, we get it; you are making the ADS default. How many people do you think use BDS or IDS today? How many would use either post update? I reckon a very statistically small number of people. Why? Same reason the ADS is hated at present and even though BDS and IDS solves the infinite honk, it's not enough. It has nothing to do with capability - it's the principle.

The argument for limits on probe count, is the same thing. It's the principle of the thing. Practicalities be damned. Frontier can't win either way.

 

[Bryan K]

Maybe they could ask FDev to teleport them to civilisation to upgrade and back again after the update. They have done similar things in the past.

That’s a lot of work for the support guys. Just making probes infinite is the simplest solution and only seems to upset a minority. Infinite probes was also encouraged by the “special 17” who have FDev’s ear.

 

[kofeyh]

Maybe they could ask FDev to teleport them to civilisation to upgrade and back again after the update. They have done similar things in the past.

Maybe we could stop projecting demands on pretty much the entirety of the exploration community, simply because of probes of all things? It's getting a bit silly.