PvP Pvp krait mk2 vs fdl?

[AP Birdman]

Well if e3 , 155 days and 28000 kills makes me a noob so be it.
I backed off my resistances cause it is meaningless against p a's. The effectiveness is still high though.

Ps. I would love to take your offer of a 1v1. Your name proceeds you. It would be an honour and no doubt very instructive

Triple elite and a bunch of pve kills means nothing. Just because you've been playing for a long time doesn't automatically mean you know how to build ships. Not saying you don't know how to build ships but saying you'd be hesitant to use anything less than your 2300 shield build is pretty arrogant.
I'm guessing this is your build (ignoring the hardpoints)

https://s.orbis.zone/wa2

If this is the case, you have no SCB's and you might have more hull but you'll have little to no MRP's to protect you and once your shields go down they're down for good.
My build on the other hand, can get it's shields back not just from double banking my SCB's but also after they've gone down.
https://s.orbis.zone/ssk

So as Cknarf said, it's not that either build is better or worse (although I'd argue that your low resistance, high MJ build with no SCB's would get wrecked pretty easily in a 1v1) but saying that players should be hesitant to use anything less than your numbers is ridiculous and absurd and also goes to show that being triple elite with 28000 npc kills means absolutely nothing.

Also, I'm on Xbox and my gamertag is the same as my name on this forum. If you're also on Xbox hit me up. I'm always down for a 1v1

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Um what are your resistances on you 2000 hull and shields? I can guarantee your resistances are pretty low and you probably don't have any SCB's if you have that much hull. It sounds to me like a pretty noob build actually, considering your stats

It occurs to me I didn't share the latest prismatic build I own, during our last conversation.

https://s.orbis.zone/wb4

It works fine with PAs/Hammer/Groms or Packs, with lots of skill boosters and an armored PP.
I could run more chaff or sinks, but as far as proof of concept goes, it goes...

 

[AP Birdman]

It occurs to me I didn't share the latest prismatic build I own, during our last conversation.

https://s.orbis.zone/wb4

It works fine with PAs/Hammer/Groms or Packs, with lots of skill boosters and an armored PP.
I could run more chaff or sinks, but as far as proof of concept goes, it goes...

Not bad but how well does the 2 4A SCB's recharge the shields?

 

[Sup3rfluiD]

Well you certainly seem to have taken offense to my first post which really wasn't the intention.
My time in game is spent primarily winging up with fairly new commanders at cg's as ganker protection, hence my preference for med resistance- high alpha and shield builds.
They usually attack in wings, and my wingmates aren't usually very much help being quite new.

It also illustrates why I said I would be reluctant to get into it without more shield value.
For you it may be different, but you may have more skill than me, which wouldn't be a huge surprise.

I like high res biweave for 1v1 but the other build still does quite well in a pinch.

You also seem to be quite fond of insults and presumptions which I find unusual considering the good attitude and advice you generally give?
I mean, I make one comment about my own reluctance and instantly I'm an "arrogant - noob"?

Anyway, apologies if you took this as negative , I wasn't meant that way at all.
My xb1 tag is robah1969 , as I said I would love to 1v1 you. You can kill me as many times as you like if you're willing to give me some pointers when we're done.

https://s.orbis.zone/wkw


This build gets tweaked regularly, as im not tied to any particular philosophy here.
I also found your your comments on shield regen quite thought provoking so ty for that.

 

[Krash]

With my PvP skill level at average or below my experience in both the Krait vs FDL has been (over multiple encounters) is that I'm much more likely to get killed in Krait. I've never been killed in the FDL as the extra speed lets me escape.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Not bad but how well does the 2 4A SCB's recharge the shields?

MJs are MJs as far as PAs are concerned.



Point being you seemed to be suggesting it was flat out impossible.
It's clearly not, with the c4 or c5 prism.

 

[Ozram]

MJs are MJs as far as PAs are concerned.



Point being you seemed to be suggesting it was flat out impossible.
It's clearly not, with the c4 or c5 prism.

Yeah, the statement that they can both have the same shields on account of boosters is factually incorrect. FDL can have massive shields well over a fully shield tanked Krait. Personally I still prefer flying the Kraits but nothing shield tanks in the med ship bracket quite like a prismatic fdl.
As Bob mentioned, mj totals are what count vs plasmas and if focussed in a wing fight only top end pilots manage to survive in biweaves through expert evasive flying. The FDL has extremely powerful maneuvering thrusters so it is certainly powerful in that regard as well. It’s no coincidence that the fdl continues to be the pvp vehicle of choice for so many pilots. I still keep my old one around. That has three plasmas, a rail and a seeker. Let’s not forget that SCBs are prone to disruption with feedback canceling. Wing fights and Duels make for quite different scenarios and a great duelist build will not necessarily make for a great wing ship.

 

[Dread Lord]

With my PvP skill level at average or below my experience in both the Krait vs FDL has been (over multiple encounters) is that I'm much more likely to get killed in Krait. I've never been killed in the FDL as the extra speed lets me escape.

Thats pretty much what the FDL is good for in a Krait MK2 vs FDL encounter... run away!

 

[Lateralus]

I see a lot of builds neglecting their thermal resistance..

Hit-scan weapons hurt a lot more if your shield resistances are weak on thermal. That's why my Pris FDL (in action here) has 2246mj with 50/40/41 res.

For those who don't know, rails are 66% thermal / 33% kinetic and PAs are 60% absolute / 20% thermal / 20% kinetic.

 

[The Replicated Man]

Triple elite and a bunch of pve kills means nothing. Just because you've been playing for a long time doesn't automatically mean you know how to build ships. Not saying you don't know how to build ships but saying you'd be hesitant to use anything less than your 2300 shield build is pretty arrogant.
I'm guessing this is your build (ignoring the hardpoints)

https://s.orbis.zone/wa2

If this is the case, you have no SCB's and you might have more hull but you'll have little to no MRP's to protect you and once your shields go down they're down for good.
My build on the other hand, can get it's shields back not just from double banking my SCB's but also after they've gone down.
https://s.orbis.zone/ssk

So as Cknarf said, it's not that either build is better or worse (although I'd argue that your low resistance, high MJ build with no SCB's would get wrecked pretty easily in a 1v1) but saying that players should be hesitant to use anything less than your numbers is ridiculous and absurd and also goes to show that being triple elite with 28000 npc kills means absolutely nothing.

Also, I'm on Xbox and my gamertag is the same as my name on this forum. If you're also on Xbox hit me up. I'm always down for a 1v1

A fine set of gimballed overcharged multicannons with a feedback hammer would ruin your day pretty quickly

 

[AP Birdman]

Well you certainly seem to have taken offense to my first post which really wasn't the intention.
My time in game is spent primarily winging up with fairly new commanders at cg's as ganker protection, hence my preference for med resistance- high alpha and shield builds.
They usually attack in wings, and my wingmates aren't usually very much help being quite new.

It also illustrates why I said I would be reluctant to get into it without more shield value.
For you it may be different, but you may have more skill than me, which wouldn't be a huge surprise.

I like high res biweave for 1v1 but the other build still does quite well in a pinch.

You also seem to be quite fond of insults and presumptions which I find unusual considering the good attitude and advice you generally give?
I mean, I make one comment about my own reluctance and instantly I'm an "arrogant - noob"?

Anyway, apologies if you took this as negative , I wasn't meant that way at all.
My xb1 tag is robah1969 , as I said I would love to 1v1 you. You can kill me as many times as you like if you're willing to give me some pointers when we're done.

https://s.orbis.zone/wkw


This build gets tweaked regularly, as im not tied to any particular philosophy here.
I also found your your comments on shield regen quite thought provoking so ty for that.

Sorry I just get irritated when noobs drop their garbage ship builds and then try to convince everyone it's the best possible build out there. Clearly that's not the case so I apologized for jumping to conclusions. I would argue that having virtually no real way to get your shields back is a bit of a hindrance in my opinion.
I'm with DRTY Co and we've been ganking at the CG lately. Maybe I'll bump into soon.

MJs are MJs as far as PAs are concerned.



Point being you seemed to be suggesting it was flat out impossible.
It's clearly not, with the c4 or c5 prism.

No that was a genuine question. I'm hesitant to use prismatics on a FDL because SCB's generally can't recharge the shields and once they go down you're pretty much screwed.

I see a lot of builds neglecting their thermal resistance..

Hit-scan weapons hurt a lot more if your shield resistances are weak on thermal. That's why my Pris FDL (in action here) has 2246mj with 50/40/41 res.

For those who don't know, rails are 66% thermal / 33% kinetic and PAs are 60% absolute / 20% thermal / 20% kinetic.

I 100% agree with you which is why most of my ships have better thermal resistances but since I rarely ever encounter someone primarily using thermal weapons in pvp I went with I high kinetic resistance build and it's been pretty unstoppable so far.

A fine set of gimballed overcharged multicannons with a feedback hammer would ruin your day pretty quickly

Yep, which is why I run chaff

 

[The Replicated Man]

Yep, which is why I run chaff

The build you posted had 2 heat sinks and 4 boosters, No chaff.

 

[Dread Lord]

The build you posted had 2 heat sinks and 4 boosters, No chaff.

I wish we had a shared universe with the consoleros

Quickj question on that topic, does the Xbox support mouse keyboard play with Elite? just curious, not that I would ever try as I play Elite in VR... but being limited to play with a joypad would suck...

 

[AP Birdman]

The build you posted had 2 heat sinks and 4 boosters, No chaff.

My bad. The chaff was added recently because I realized gimballed multi's tore me up

I wish we had a shared universe with the consoleros

Quickj question on that topic, does the Xbox support mouse keyboard play with Elite? just curious, not that I would ever try as I play Elite in VR... but being limited to play with a joypad would suck...

No k&m is not supported from fdev on Xbox yet.
I use a hotas and although the only choice is a cheap POS thrustmaster I still enjoy it quite a bit.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

No that was a genuine question. I'm hesitant to use prismatics on a FDL because SCB's generally can't recharge the shields and once they go down you're pretty much screwed.

It was a genuine answer.

What I was responding to was the idea that one could not run 3x PA w/ hammer and packs, using an armored/monstered PP.
That was the premise and it's false, with the c4 or c5.

Regarding the SCBs, it recharges the shields exactly the same amount of MJs as your build does, except it has roughly twice as much to begin with.

 

[AP Birdman]

It was a genuine answer.

What I was responding to was the idea that one could not run 3x PA w/ hammer and packs, using an armored/monstered PP.
That was the premise and it's false, with the c4 or c5.

Regarding the SCBs, it recharges the shields exactly the same amount of MJs as your build does, except it has roughly twice as much to begin with.

Oh my bad, I was confused.

So how do you do it? I come up 2 mj's short

https://s.orbis.zone/xdc

 

[Dread Lord]

My bad. The chaff was added recently because I realized gimballed multi's tore me up


No k&m is not supported from fdev on Xbox yet.
I use a hotas and although the only choice is a cheap POS thrustmaster I still enjoy it quite a bit.

So what do you do against fixed multi cannons?!

Glad to hear there is a HOTAS for Xbox... they should make that one that Frontier was involved with compatible to the Xbox its good and not too expensive!

 

[AP Birdman]

So what do you do against fixed multi cannons?!

Glad to hear there is a HOTAS for Xbox... they should make that one that Frontier was involved with compatible to the Xbox its good and not too expensive!

Rely on my evasion skills.

Yeah, I wish there were more options for the Xbox. The Xbox thrustmaster hotas is a cheap piece of junk but at least it work. Thankfully I haven't had any of the common issues that most users have encountered but I have to say, for $70 the build quality is unacceptable.

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

The controller isn't so bad. All essential combat functions are bound easily enough.

 

[Curvemn17]

If you’re running all those guardian shields remember you are very susceptible to phasing.