Since forum PvP is alive and well which part your statements were "reasonable"?
PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...
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Since forum PvP is alive and well which part your statements were "reasonable"?
My attitude towards PvPers has changed a lot over the last year. I've spent a lot of time talking to them, getting to understand them, many of them decent chaps and chapettes. I've done what I can, despite being an ardent PvEer to help the image of PvP in this game in recent months.
And then, someone has to ruin it all by saying something like this.
A 20 page thread about the fact that no PvPers post on this forum?...
I think we need to get the Bugsmasher guy from that "other game" to debug the logic circuits round here...
I think we need to get the Bugsmasher guy from that "other game" to debug the logic circuits round here...
Just dropping by to say I’m finding very amusing to see PvP players complaining about being mistreated, ostracised, victims of forum mudslinging, being treated unfairly by moderation, and them watching them being the ones starting the mudslinging, name calling, and passive aggressive veiled insults in this very thread, all while nearly none of them actually commenting on the OP subject, a PvP tournament.
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Its strange, i am seeying you in most on priv group.
Most of the times a PvPer will be open-minded about a game implementation. A PvE-er is rarely.
Example: PvEers ask for "crime and punishment", a PvPer will say "punishment but rewards".
I'm ok for being "punished" for PvP as long as i get perks for succesful kills, just like for doing other succesful things ingame like succesful hauling biowaste from Sothis or succesful winning a war in solo mode.
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Nah. A small minority are like that. As a 'veteran' myself, I'll admit I've been rather shocked and awed and dismayed at the state of online gaming, seeing as this is the first online game I've played ever - the last time I played Elite was Frontier: Elite II.
It's taken me two years to begin to come to terms with what playing an MMO-type game means.
That being said - there's really no excuse for a lot of the baiting and salt-mining that happens on these forums. Even on this thread, there are one or two here who's sole intent is to craft rather baiting comments just on the right side of the rules. Important not to rise to those. These days I usually ignore 'em.
Yeah see you're painting with a rather broad brush there. That's baiting exemplified
I remember that thread. It wasn't a particularly desirable proposal, to put it mildly
There are a lot of PvP'ers of different types who participate in this forum - some types are just interested in the PvP aspect and aren't setting out to pick fights with every hollow square they encounter. Some types specifically set out to destroy every hollow square they can get their mits on. And some types like nothing better than to mine further salt by posting veiled insults on forums and generally trying to get people wound up.
It's this last group that finds an unwelcome forum reception, really - then again they've specifically set out to get that reaction - and the salty responders fall for it hook line and sinker. Which gives that last group ammunition to say things like "PvP'ers aren't welcome here" and the like.
Lastly - dunno about anyone else but I'm finding it increasingly pointless spending my time arguing about a video game on a forum. Most days now I just scan through a thread and use my time in other more productive ways
thanks for proving my point
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Same here.
I will say more. Even PvPers want a proper crime & punish system, even without a reward. What we have now is just completely ineffective.
Maybe not badly designed, but bad implemented.
overall idea is maybe not so bad, but its finally not working.
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All I see while looking at the forums pages are text and sometimes images. Often a lot of text. If I see a wall, not an image of a wall, I might be willing to agree with you.
The subject is not about a PvP tournament or about the problems of PvP vs PvE (although thats the way it will inevitably go).
The subject was about why a lot of PvPer's don't bother to come to this forum and post anymore.
Funny thing is, I don't think the OP is a PvPer so its not even a complaining thread from one
So he might be a 'crap' tier player ?
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I can just say it's the other way around: A PvEer will be open minded while a PvPer is rarely.
Example: PvPers ask to remove all modes and force everybody in Open, a PvEer says just introduce crime & punishment, stop killing for the lols and Solo / PG players will come by themselves.
BTW I prefer to talk about crime and consequences rather than punishments, I don't think you should be punished for legit gameplay and already provided some suggestions to improve piracy and add a crime syndicate as opposition to the pilots federation.
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In truth, there are open minded people among the PvP and PvE group, there are people who don't consider themselves affilated to any of these groups, and there are people who are not open minded. Sometimes there are people who are open minded but get into an argument.
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Funny how we are supposed to accept and not interfere with your playstyle, yet you require to "drop PVP and stop caring about it" because it's not a majority.
NEWSFLASH: YOU ARE THE ONE STOMPING ON DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLES. Feel free to go solo, but when you go open you are everyone's content and they are your content.
NEWSFLASH: YOU ARE THE ONE STOMPING ON DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLES. Feel free to go solo, but when you go open you are everyone's content and they are your content.
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Stop spreading this made up bullcrap around. If you would actually go up and read what the PVPers say, you'd clearly see that nobody is against C&P improvements. But if you think that the C&P will ever be good enough for what people ask, no it won't, because danger is part of the game and Frontier wants you to learn how to protect yourself.
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They really need to add two further sub-forums.
1) Any thread about being killed by another CMDR in Open gets chucked straight into it
2) Any thread going on about PvP or how the game is fundamentally wrong in design because PvP is more or less meaningless and BGS needs separation and people need to git gud gets thrown in the other
Neither forum shows up on the Activity Tracker... Job done, go fill yer boots, both sides.
This forum would improve massively if accounts were linked to game accounts.
I still firmly believe that when you click on Open, there needs to be a pop-up saying something about the explicit, non-consensual nature of PvP possible within that game mode.
Why anyone chooses to play Open and then moans when the inevitable happens, especially around CGs or new game content like the Ruins, is beyond me.
1) Any thread about being killed by another CMDR in Open gets chucked straight into it
2) Any thread going on about PvP or how the game is fundamentally wrong in design because PvP is more or less meaningless and BGS needs separation and people need to git gud gets thrown in the other
Neither forum shows up on the Activity Tracker... Job done, go fill yer boots, both sides.
This forum would improve massively if accounts were linked to game accounts.
I still firmly believe that when you click on Open, there needs to be a pop-up saying something about the explicit, non-consensual nature of PvP possible within that game mode.
Why anyone chooses to play Open and then moans when the inevitable happens, especially around CGs or new game content like the Ruins, is beyond me.
And PvEers are not against rewards for pirates.
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In case you missed it: Coming up with a made up argument against a made up argument was the point.
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