PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...

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Why? Do you think a PvP player could interpret the Forum rules better than what we have? We need impartial, not balance on either side of the extremes. Making a PvP Mod would simply be pandering to a feeling of martyrdom that is not supported by the facts. It would just be to mollify the ginned up feelings of persecution that has developed recently. Act within the Forum rules, and you won't need a Spirit Guide.

lol martyrdom, cry me a river of salty pop sicles, please.

and having moderators that catter to the PVE crowd is better?

They have a single moderator, just ONE, that is solely focused on the console crowd, how is that any different?
 
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Sure, I can get about an Idea from some but really, I don't even know how many mods are there. Kinda curios how people know exactly how many mods do what in game. Also curios as to why it matters, they use moderating tools in a way that you think is not according to the rules then report them, what they say in discussion does not matter.

Let's put it this way, would you have a democratic representative represent a republican district in the senate/assembly?
 
Well, I might just ask Brett if there's enough people supporting the notion, worst thing he can do is say "no".

The PvP community really needs a relatively knowledgeable Pro-PvP player in this forum.
Before pledging my pelt to your nomination I would first need to accurately visualise what you would look like with a mod hat on.

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Why? Do you think a PvP player could interpret the Forum rules better than what we have? We need impartial, not balance on either side of the extremes. Making a PvP Mod would simply be pandering to a feeling of martyrdom that is not supported by the facts. It would just be to mollify the ginned up feelings of persecution that has developed recently. Act within the Forum rules, and you won't need a Spirit Guide.

I may have misunderstood what you are saying but balance is the precursor to impartiality. You can't cry for inpartial judgement but expect it not to be a balanced consideration of all the facets of something.
 
...At the end of the day, I just wish there was more "meeting of the minds" going on on this forum. Obviously I like being here as you can see from my post count, and I really enjoy the company of most people from both sides of the aisle. Mostly my position could be summed up as "acute frustration"

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When the pvE mods turn the blind eye for the infractions made by their friends... yes a PvP mod would bring balance to the table... i got fliped here on the forums and no mod did anything, i had to get in touch with one of them to actually have it moderated, but even so he ONLY deleted the coment and the guy walked the situation with not even a warning.

So yes a pvP mod can have a good influence on the forum.


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I would respectfully say, you have no idea what moderation was given to the offender. FD won't tell you, and likely the other poster won't either.

We need impartial, not partisan. Putting a person with an obvious agenda into a position like that would be useless. They would still be required to be impartial. Ideas and opinions can't be removed, just infractions to the Forum rules. You don;t need a spirit guide, you just want to see FD make a concession to the new PvP Martyrs.

Make case that the current Mod(s) are not impartial, and have FD do something about it. Shoe Horn-ing in an advocate, just to make a crowd happy, is would be a sham.

On an aside, I would have no trouble with 'Fang as a Mod. I believe he would do the job in the spirit it is intended. But, expecting there to be a PvP Big Brother there to save you from opposing ideas is wrongheaded.
 
Well, I might just ask Brett if there's enough people supporting the notion, worst thing he can do is say "no".

The PvP community really needs a relatively knowledgeable Pro-PvP player in this forum.

Being a moderator is a pretty thankless job, but if you were willing I'd certainly be happy to see that. You have the experience with PvP to lend you sensitivity to those issues, as well as the unflappable temperament required.
 
In case it seems like I'm attacking the mods, I want to be clear that I'm not. Heck, I still have fond memories of traveling to Beagle Point and participating in festivities on the far side of the galaxy with Agony Aunt & Co last spring.

Those memories would most probably have been less fond if on the other side of the galaxy there were no festivities or fleet arrival to beagle point, but instead the 2017's version of jasonbarron waiting to blow all you up to test some new engineer special effect. ;)
 
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PvP open threads are fine, they want to organize event then do so, and I am all for it, not that I will join in, but post away. The issue is the constant but why want those in private or solo join in? What do you want to join in open threads. The constant stream of open is fun come join, or your care bears, or whatever. The thing is there are 3 modes of play for all of us, let us choose, do not try to change the minds of those that like to play differently then you do. Then post away.
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Example: Title of thread:
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Those who play in open we would like to stage a battle royal.
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Come see if you have the skills to be the last person standing. This is an open invitation to those who want to PvP in a full out battle. Time: xx:xx location xx:xx
if your an open player we would love to have you come and join in on the fun. If enough show we can do wings, those organized into guilds/clans on your own mention it and maybe can find groups to go against. Just come and enjoy. This is for those who play in open. Lets have some fun.
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This type of post will get a lot of replies, you will have fun but the main thing it doesn't do is preach to those not wanting to PvP to try it. You appeal to you target audience and if a non PvP'er sees the thread. reads it, and joins in they are not excluded, and more importantly not targeted either negatively or positively. People join if they want to without others trying to change their minds. That is what people here are tired of, the constant whining, why won't you play in open. The would you play in open if rebuy cost was lower, or went away or this that or the other thing.
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I may have misunderstood what you are saying but balance is the precursor to impartiality. You can't cry for inpartial judgement but expect it not to be a balanced consideration of all the facets of something.

I can smell the PVE carebearness in the post he made through my computer screen. It's like the smell of a pair of old sweaty socks after a week hiking in a swamp.

No, but a PvP player will introduce a new facet to the interpretation and execution of said rules since he/she can understand PvP elements and mindsets more readily.



So you think I'm an extreme on the PvP side...?



For a privileged class on this forum, that reads more fear than a desire for equality.

You want to see the extreme side of PVP, you give moderator powers, I guarantee you the forum ban list would increase 25x in the first 24 hours of my inauguration lol.
 
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Those memories would most probably have been less fond if on the other side of the galaxy there were no festivities or fleet arrival to beagle point, but instead the 2017's version of jasonbarron waiting to blow all you up to test some new engineer special effect. ;)

Less fond for who?

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Let's put it this way, would you have a democratic representative represent a republican district in the senate/assembly?
Oh god, don't try to talk to politics with me :D

But I'm not sure I get it either way, Moderators are not representing any posters here, and of course we don't even have seperate PvE/PvP "districts" on the Forum. And of course it imples theres no mod speaking for the PvP side, which goes back to my question what are all the mods even doing? How we know there are no "PvP-Mods"?

Because the thing is, as far as I understand it, a moderator is not allowed to moderate a topic he takes part in. You may see moderators arguing for PvE, but the moderation may be done by moderators doing PvP.
 
I've done moderation myself for forums, and I reckon that having a PvP-based mod (if it was the right person) would definitely help. Online communities flourish so much more when the posters get along with and respect the mods. Every mod should be impartial but the reality is that they are human just like everyone else and that doesn't always happen. If all the mods are PvE, you are going to have some bias towards PvE, even with the best of intentions. Furthermore, that obviously doesn't help foster the spirit of the PvP community as they don't feel represented.

If you have a mixture of PvP and PvE mods, all trying to be impartial, then any little biases are more likely to be balanced out, the mods themselves can challenge each other if needs be (this does happen) and most importantly, PvP players are going to feel better represented and respected and more likely to post and get involved.

Look at it this way, if a PvP player currently posts and gets moderated, it's all too easy for them to cry "bias" and no one can definitively say they're not wrong. When you have both PvE and PvP mods on board and someone cries bias, then you have a valid counter-argument in that they're now represented by both sides.

Just my 2 cents as a newbie :)
 
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I may have misunderstood what you are saying but balance is the precursor to impartiality. You can't cry for inpartial judgement but expect it not to be a balanced consideration of all the facets of something.


Yeah, it's like real life judges. You expect them to interpret the law, as previous precedence has developed. You don;t want a judge to color the law to support a agenda. Impartiality from each Mod is more important than how they pursue their game time. We don't want balance here, we want effective application of the Forum Rules. Nothing more.

Prove, to FD, that the current Mod(s) can't/don't deliver on this. Then get them to install Mod(s) that can apply the rules without bias. The idea that installing a Mod with an agenda will do anything but further this divide, and leave that person open to calls of inherent bias. This up front agenda would just strip all perception of fairness from the fellow, before anything could be accomplished. We would then have volumes of threads claiming one or another Mod is pushing an agenda. This would not help at all.
 
Oh god, don't try to talk to politics with me :D

But I'm not sure I get it either way, Moderators are not representing any posters here, and of course we don't even have seperate PvE/PvP "districts" on the Forum. And of course it imples theres no mod speaking for the PvP side, which goes back to my question what are all the mods even doing? How we know there are no "PvP-Mods"?

Because the thing is, as far as I understand it, a moderator is not allowed to moderate a topic he takes part in. You may see moderators arguing for PvE, but the moderation may be done by moderators doing PvP.

Very true, but let's be honest here, how often do active Pro-PvP moderators (assuming that we have then) make an appearance on this forum?

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I've done moderation myself for forums, and I reckon that having a PvP-based mod (if it was the right person) would definitely help. Online communities flourish so much more when the posters get along with and respect the mods. Every mod should be impartial but the reality is that they are human just like everyone else and that doesn't always happen. If all the mods are PvE, you are going to have some bias towards PvE, even with the best of intentions. Furthermore, that obviously doesn't help foster the spirit of the PvP community as they don't feel represented.

If you have a mixture of PvP and PvE mods, all trying to be impartial, then any little biases are more likely to be balanced out, the mods themselves can challenge each other if needs be (this does happen) and most importantly, PvP players are going to feel better represented and respected and more likely to post and get involved.

Look at it this way, if a PvP player currently posts and gets moderated, it's all too easy for them to cry "bias" and no one can definitively say they're not wrong. When you have both PvE and PvP mods on board and someone cries bias, then you have a valid counter-argument in that they're now represented by both sides.

Just my 2 cents as a newbie :)

This guy gets it.
 
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