technically speaking, griefers and psycho players engage in Player versus Player (PvP) combat. Regardless of what more organized parts of the PvP community wants, griefers and psycho players are PvP players.
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technically speaking, griefers and psycho players engage in Player versus Player (PvP) combat. Regardless of what more organized parts of the PvP community wants, griefers and psycho players are PvP players.
Have to say this Thread is quite funny, good job forum 
Whoa, that's some fast new avatar
Hehe good ol MS-Paint FTW
That was just so unbelievable ridiculous i literarly felt compelled to make fun of it
So: Behold, Crap Tier for everyone:
After that sterling contribution I guess I can't say you will be missed.
Me likes your obsession... you must be a monster!
I'm still waiting for Ms. Doherty to send me my certificate that she refused to send for participation in the school play that she says she is NOT going to award me wot cause I punched that Matthew brat in the nose when he said that thing 'bout my dad and I didn't apologize cos he started it.
How long have you been an adult and still haven't learned that the only thing that changes is our ability to justify and rationalize our immaturity? If you're expecting reasonable discourse between two parties who both feel they've been offended you better set the scene by taking them down to the creamery and include some gentle encouragement to make it seem like they aren't being bribed with sweets to kiss and make up.
Yes I agree.
Most of the issue is because Generalized statements are thrown around. I am a very competitive PVP player. I love games that cater to PVP and I play quiet a few of them. Warthunder Sim, DOTA, CSgo, Smite, and WoTs are so addicting and I have had to stop myself from playing them exclusively for years now. Yet in ED I am a carebear for some reason? Weird to be sure.
Anywho, the point being is that I know PVP and I participate in a lot of it on a regular basis "In other games". I do this because any game that has a deep meta combat but does not have countering combat can never and will never be competitive. In Dota II every single hero has its exact counter. Every single power has its exact counter. That is why the meta game can exist and it be balanced at the same time. So for that to be true in the ED universe then every single ship should be able to fight and survive against any of the remaining ships. Sidewinders should be able to kill an Anaconda with 2 equally skilled players participating in said combat. That is not the case and should never be the case.
In the case of Elite Dangerous it kills all immersion in the game universe. We all know what happens to people in RL when crimes are commited, however you are required to overlook that in this game. Its not like GTA where its an overblown cartoony violence based game. GTA is more akin to Tom and Jerry or the Three Stooges, less like real life in a city.
ED is trying to create an active realistic simulation of an environment but are allowing the Tom and Jerry cartoon to slip into existence.
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Well I hate to ruin your stereotyping here but I dabble in PvP in Open and I don't do that. I talk to, hang with and play with many players that are dedicated solely to PvP and they don't do that either.
If you want tocall out a specific player group or a specific individual that has wronged you personally then please do so (within the naming and shaming rules). But please don't put players of a certain playstyle all in one basket.
Stop trying to cloud his judgement of what a PvP player is, there is no need for facts to get in the way of a good rant
doesn't matter that one individual PvPer doesn't partake in this behavior. Enough of the other do. I will not call out an individual or specific group because that is in violation of the naming and shaming rules. Seriously, there is no way for me to do so without violating that rule. The best I can say is that they are PvP players. There are enough accounts from enough people to indicate that there are a rather large amount of players who engage in this behavior. Courtesy of the forum rules, I am forced to paint with a broader brush than I would like.
Besides, its not like PvPers don't do the same to PvE players. Can't count the times I have seen "carebear" or "risk adverse" in the forums. Has to be hundreds of times from almost as many people.
To continue to put the shoe on the other foot: It's called Dangerous discussion. Its in the name!!
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A PvP player is ANYONE who engages in PvP combat. This includes griefers, gankers, and psycho player killers.
Definition is cut and dry.
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damn i said i was out, but as this is directly relevant to OP.........
I know why the no name and shame rules exist however I reckon they are part of the problem here..... because a player cant come on and say, that Mad Mike, what a Donkey! he did XYZ for no reason (possibly inserting random exploit here) what so ever and tried to blow me up....... instead, players are not allowed to direct their grievance and so a player would post a generalised rant which would ultimately paint a broad stroked which could be taken as the "PvP community" as a whole.
on the flip side, a would be player pirate comes on and without a no name and shame rule could complain that when (s)he tried to pirate CMDR Mad Mike he responded "i dont do PvP and CLogged on me...... but with the no name and shame in force instead just does a carpet assault that some player stated he was a PvE player before CLogging, thus tarring the entire PvE community in open as a CLogger.
Like i said i get why FD have the rule and i have no solution.. indeed i do not think there is a solution at this point, i think these discussions will go on for the life of the game.
The "get gud" brigade and the lock them out of the BGS if not in open players i have no time for at all, you all knew the rules of the game (or had the option to know the rules of the game) before buying.
but PvPers as a whole i have no issue at all with, its just not a well i choose to drink from in this particular game. There are things i think FD should implement accross all modes which i think would improve the game, and may get me back in open..... if implemented fab, if not then i can carry on as now, so PvPers are not spoiling my game at all and bear no ill will from me..
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Never read a more accurate description of this particular issue. Have a ton of virtual rep.
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
You got that right.
Not quite. Garage launched 916SP and 1198S. With 1299S soon to request docking. (1198 to be flogged) 916 is forever.
Unless either of them kill me in the meantime.
To add to a fairly pointless discussion...
If you're into PvP and gank innocent open players like me, make sure you have
1. the ship for it
2. the ability to fly it
3. And able to cackle as you send someone to a 17 million rebuy screen
Unfourtunetly for a would be ganker near founder's world the other day, interdicting an elite anaconda with a diamondback fails on point one, firing weapons at said elite anaconda before losing lock due to chaff and heat sink fails on point 2 and failed completely on point 3 as I just lo-waked out on my merry way to Jameson memorial.[cool]
I'll give him 1 point for persistance as he interdicted me again, but then failed all over again although I think he must have thought "w00t got 1 ring off his shield"
If he interdicted me again, I think I would have lost patience at that point, opened the weapons ports and blown him out of the sky* [mad]
Bill
*or more likely, he'd have combat logged on me with 4% of his hull left and no working modules [down]
If you're into PvP and gank innocent open players like me, make sure you have
1. the ship for it
2. the ability to fly it
3. And able to cackle as you send someone to a 17 million rebuy screen
Unfourtunetly for a would be ganker near founder's world the other day, interdicting an elite anaconda with a diamondback fails on point one, firing weapons at said elite anaconda before losing lock due to chaff and heat sink fails on point 2 and failed completely on point 3 as I just lo-waked out on my merry way to Jameson memorial.[cool]
I'll give him 1 point for persistance as he interdicted me again, but then failed all over again although I think he must have thought "w00t got 1 ring off his shield"
If he interdicted me again, I think I would have lost patience at that point, opened the weapons ports and blown him out of the sky* [mad]
Bill
*or more likely, he'd have combat logged on me with 4% of his hull left and no working modules [down]
I agree with your concept to a point. But here's the thing, in a PVP "robbery" or "murder" scenario, the hard counter to an agressive murderboat isn't for the T-6 or sidey to stay and fight, it's to escape. If you can't or don't want to fight, change your ship, loadout, and tactics if you insist on being in open. The talk is always about "oh I'm trading in open and these PVP guys are killing me without my consent." Well, you're driving a space Fedex truck with a giant bullseye on it, so it's in your best interest to not fight. Fit the fastest drives you can, enough shields to give you time, weapons that will slow your pursuers, and engineer mods that are balanced between range and escaping conflicts. If you're doing milk runs in open, the hard counter to being attacked is escaping in my opinion. I do agree that there is no compelling force on either side of PVP than a base predator/prey dynamic. Some people like chasing, some people like being chased. Both can be exhilarating.
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