PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...

[Windscreen Smudge]

You know, I should ask my wife about all this because she's right about everything.

Was she right when she said you spend too much money on your bikes?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

You know, I should ask my wife about all this because she's right about everything.

I wouldnt, if she is anything like mine she will you to turn it off and do something useful like moe the lawn, creosote the fence & shed or one of another chore on the long never ending list

 

[sewerratuk]

I wouldnt, if she is anything like mine she will you to turn it off and do something useful like moe the lawn, creosote the fence & shed or one of another chore on the long never ending list

Just respond with 'haven't you got any cooking or cleaning to do?'...

Then run

 

[Martian Successor]

In case you failed to notice, not just in the post you replied to here, but in my several other posts on this thread and on others in this forum: I take no issue to PvP players who are capable of respecting other people's choices and preferences. I take issue with the PvP players who dictate that everyone must be a part of their content and the PvPers who claim to own open mode.

In my everyday life, I operate on the assumption that anyone around me intends to do me harm. I then allow other people to prove me wrong. Makes it harder to be surprised or disappointed. Cynical? probably. But it works.

My point on the stories is this: that many people can't possibly be all telling the same lie. the videos and screenshots pretty much CAN'T lie. I understand that not every PvP player is like that. However, I cannot afford to assume that any given player I meet isn't like that. Simply an unwise policy.

If the attitudes of groups and individuals similar to SDC are the minority, fine. So be it. However, I don't see other PvP players and groups outside of adle's armada bothering to condemn those actions. I take the silence as being tacit approval. If someone genuinely opposes those types of actions, then SAY something. If you don't speak up, how is anyone else supposed to know? No one here is psychic.

You are twisting my words on my PvP definition. I said that anyone who engages in combat with another player is a PvP player. I then qualified certain subgroups. I did not pass judgement on the overall group as a whole. This thread is about PvP players being allegedly unwelcome on the forums. Any specific subgroup was not specified. As such, all subgroups must be considered.

To use your analogy in the same why I used my definition: A lawyer is ANYONE who practices law. This includes mob lawyers and lawyers who exist to get criminals out of jail time.

Stop twisting my words. Seriously, don't do that.

I wasn't consciously aware of twisting your words on your PvP definition but now that I reread it it seems I misread it the first time. My apologies for that.

As to other groups condemning SDC: plenty have, especially around the time of their noob ganking cancer charity event. Do
keep in mind that:
a) PvP groups (as elaborated by the existence of this thread) don't tend to congregate on these forums, so reduced chances of hearing their voices here

b) Most groups prefer to use private channels, Discord and to a lesser extent INARA to communicate with one another when it comes to something as important as their relations towards one another. Individual members are left to comment their opinions in the more public places but not as a spokesperson for the group unless they actually hold that position.

and finally

c) It's not anyone's job to continually go around and try to fight the PvP public relations fires that a group like SDC starts. It's exhausting. Just ask Gluttony Fang and the legit pirates from The Code. Not to mention a bit on the pointless side; like apologising for what a neighbour's kid has done when really it's not that hard for Joe and Jane public to engage some critical thinking and realise that you cannot hold another person responsible for the actions of someone else.

Do PvEers for example come out en masse each and every time to condemn the more crappier actions and behaviours towards PvPers in their own ranks? Should we take the silence as tacit approval? In my opinion; of course not. It's just a game. People aren't here to work as psuedo-diplomats and nation leaders, they're here to get on with playing the way they want to to play and hopefully make some friends along the way.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

I wouldnt, if she is anything like mine she will you to turn it off and do something useful like moe the lawn, creosote the fence & shed or one of another chore on the long never ending list

Where do you live that they still sell creosote?

That stuff has been banned in the U.S. for about 30 years....

 

[Morbad]

Do you always have to have the last word?

No.

Yes, consider that a challenge. How do you respond?

By answering your question.

Or was it one of those rhetorical things?

Stay silent and prove literally nothing because this is the internet?

Why do you consider the internet different from any other means of correspondence?

I actually met my wife and several good friends on the internet. To me it's no different from any other medium.

or do you respond and prove me right?

Right about what?

No misquote either, just flipping your earlier post on you.

My post was an inversion of the famous Asimov quote. That was the whole joke!

 

[thirstyfish]

I wasn't consciously aware of twisting your words on your PvP definition but now that I reread it it seems I may have misread it. My apologies for that.

As to other groups condemning SDC: plenty have, especially around the time of their noob ganking cancer charity event. Do
keep in mind that:
a) PvP groups (as elaborated by the existence of this thread) don't tend to congregate on these forums, so reduced chances of hearing their voices here

b) Most groups prefer to use private channels, Discord and to a lesser extent INARA to communicate with one another when it comes to something as important as their relations towards one another. Individual members are left to comment their opinions in the more public places but not as a spokesperson for the group unless they actually hold that position.

and finally

c) It's not anyone's job to continually go around and try to fight the PvP public relations fires that a group like SDC starts. It's exhausting. Just ask Gluttony Fang and the legit pirates from The Code. Not to mention a bit on the pointless side; like apologising for what a neighbour's kid has done when really it's not that hard for Joe and Jane public to engage some critical thinking and realise that you cannot hold another person responsible for the actions of someone else.

Do PvEers for example come out en masse each and every time to condemn the more crappier actions and behaviours towards PvPers in their own ranks? Should we take the silence as tacit approval? In my opinion; of course not. It's just a game. People aren't here to work as psuedo-diplomats and nation leaders, they're here to get on with playing the way they want to to play and hopefully make some friends along the way.

Last time I checked, PvEers don't go around ganking people. If a PvEer makes an unfair comment on the forums here, or violates the forum rules and I happen to see it, then I take appropriate action. Usually point out their unfair comment, report the post, or do both. I can't possibly know what goes on on any groups private discord or INARA if I am not a member myself. Not looking for someone to act as a spokesperson. Not what I said. If a number of individuals condemn these actions in a verifiable way, then that is a consensus. I would happily accept that. I haven't seen that at all from anyone, save adle's armada. Even then, adle's armada weren't exactly very helpful to me when I was new to this game. As a result, I tend to see them as do-gooders who don't actually do, so just say-gooders. Right or wrong is not important. That is my perception of them and perception is everything.

Yeah PvEers can be mean on the forums. So can everyone else. Unlike some portions of the PvP crowd, PvEers don't extend that malice to the game.

 

[Martian Successor]

Hehe good ol MS-Paint FTW
That was just so unbelievable ridiculous i literarly felt compelled to make fun of it

So: Behold, Crap Tier for everyone:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/ENOOKnY.jpg

Brilliant

......

Also a shout out to Agony Aunt's new avatar. It's hypnotising and also oddly calming. Good old Dav Stott

 

[DukeIronHand]

Do PvEers for example come out en masse each and every time to condemn the more crappier actions and behaviours towards PvPers in their own ranks? Should we take the silence as tacit approval?

Which PvE'er actions would that be?
Or were you just trying to make an analogy to something?

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Me personally I hate all of them and have joined our Thargoid overlords as they fear not if their opponent is PvP or PvE, they don't even care if the player is in Open/Solo! Join the fairest faction of them all today!!

Duly +1'd.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

I quite like PvPers talking here.

I can get insights in to the current meta, without all the usual "wah! Insta killed in Open by X CMDR with Y weapons again!".

I don't do PvP, but I like to keep up to date to protect myself from the current meta they're using, as I do like to play in Open.

It does sadden me that meaningful PvP doesn't really have a place in ED yet.

 

[sewerratuk]

Which PvE'er actions would that be?
Or were you just trying to make an analogy to something?

Generally on the forum

...which we seem to have forgotten that this is what the whole thread was originally about

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Which PvE'er actions would that be?
Or were you just trying to make an analogy to something?

Just a couple of pages ago people tried to draw the parallel between PvP and griefers. All griefers are PvPers.

Ignoring that PvPers are not all griefers by a long shot. Which is the telling statistic.

Generally on the forum

...which we seem to have forgotten that this is what the whole thread was originally about

Because there's no such thing as generally on the forum. It's a bollox premise to start off with.

You can visit any forum, any forum, and post how you don't like the community there and you'll always get the same reaction. It's always the same mechanism. I believe Southpark did a season about it last year.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

People (rightly) complain about these things because most are tedious, not because they are hard. You may not realize this, but there is a difference.

Duly +1'd

 

[Jenner]

You can visit any forum, any forum, and post how you don't like the community there and you'll always get the same reaction. It's always the same mechanism. I believe Southpark did a season about it last year.

"You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

Not that I'm implying anyone's a fly. lol.

 

[thirstyfish]

"You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

Not that I'm implying anyone's a fly. lol.

I prefer salt myself.

 

[Martian Successor]

Last time I checked, PvEers don't go around ganking people. If a PvEer makes an unfair comment on the forums here, or violates the forum rules and I happen to see it, then I take appropriate action. Usually point out their unfair comment, report the post, or do both. I can't possibly know what goes on on any groups private discord or INARA if I am not a member myself. Not looking for someone to act as a spokesperson. Not what I said. If a number of individuals condemn these actions in a verifiable way, then that is a consensus. I would happily accept that. I haven't seen that at all from anyone, save adle's armada.

Likewise I haven't seen that from anyone on this forum concerning PvEers so I guess we're back to my original statement of "nobody is innocent".

PvEers don't go around ganking is factually incorrect - there's a little thing called the BGS which provides a form of indirect PvP via the tanking of minor faction influence. It's actually a much more insidious form of ganking/attacking to be honest because it can be done from the safety of Solo and PG where your opponent cannot attempt to stop you from continuing to do it. At least with direct PvP you can always escape it via Solo and PG or attempt to blow your opponent out of the sky.

So now we are back at my other statement, "each is as bad as the other."

Yeah PvEers can be mean on the forums. So can everyone else. Unlike some portions of the PvP crowd, PvEers don't extend that malice to the game.

Here's where you are wrong, both for the reason already stated above but in addition: there was actually thread about it at one point with screenshots of a CMDRs chat log at a station filled with abusive comments of the calibre of, "You stupid pro bro, pvp male anatomical part. No one wants your kind flying around here.".

So there goes the theory that the only abusive actions in the game can only come from one part of the player base.

 

[sewerratuk]

Just a couple of pages ago people tried to draw the parallel between PvP and griefers. All griefers are PvPers.

Ignoring that PvPers are not all griefers by a long shot. Which is the telling statistic.

Because there's no such thing as generally on the forum. It's a bollox premise to start off with.

You can visit any forum, any forum, and post how you don't like the community there and you'll always get the same reaction. It's always the same mechanism. I believe Southpark did a season about it last year.

Ahh well if southpark did a season on it I stand corrected

But you are right it was just a bit of a throwaway comment to point out that the thread has gone way off topic (I'm guilty as charged)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

Not that I'm implying anyone's a fly. lol.

I'm fly, but I don't like flies so that would make vinegar be my weapon of choice.

Ahh well if southpark did a season on it I stand corrected

But you are right it was just a bit of a throwaway comment to point out that the thread has gone way off topic (I'm guilty as charged)

And the truth will set you free!

Testify brother! Amen!

 

[thirstyfish]

Likewise I haven't seen that from anyone on this forum concerning PvEers so I guess we're back to my original statement of "nobody is innocent".

PvEers don't go around ganking is factually incorrect - there's a little thing called the BGS which provides a form of indirect PvP via the tanking of minor faction influence. It's actually a much more insidious form of ganking/attacking to be honest because it can be done from the safety of Solo and PG where your opponent cannot attempt to stop you from continuing to do it. At least with direct PvP you can always escape it via Solo and PG or attempt to blow your opponent out of the sky.

So now we are back at my other statement, "each is as bad as the other."


Here's where you are wrong, both for the reason already stated above but in addition: there was actually thread about it at one point with screenshots of a CMDRs chat log at a station filled with abusive comments of the calibre of, "You stupid g pro bro, pvp male anatomical part. No one wants your kind flying around here.".

So there goes the theory that the only abusive actions in the game can only come from one part of the player base.

BGS manipulation is worse than ganking or griefing? hardly. BGS can be manipulated by anyone in any mode. I also highly doubt that the majority of PvEers are intentionally manipulating the BGS. At the very least, I know I don't.

I never said that PvEers were innocent in all of this. Just saying that PvPers have no right to play the victim. Also, chat log? Again just being mean with text. No different than the forums. PvEers won't go and gank a noob for the lols. When I said malice in the game, I meant in the course of actual game play. I get that I didn't specify. Don't worry. I will spell everything out for you.

Beginning to think that you actually are intentionally twisting my words, given how often you do it.