Python Owners speak up PLEASE

IceyJones

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the python looks like a big viper.....i would not mind if it would lose half of its cargo space and it would keep as agile as it is now....keep the good turn rate, but as it is now, keep also the bad acceleration values.
the optical design language fits better to a fighter ship, than a hauler imho

reduce shield not by 33% but 15-20. would fit perfectly between conda and clipper.
reduce top speed by 10% only. gives viper and cobra their advantage, but does not make the python a sitting duck also

that would fit much better to this ship

do not overnerf it pls. but if you do, pls be so fair to let us sell the resulting piece of crap without the 5.7 million loss we would face when we get rid of it to buy a fer de lance
 

Drunk Si

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H3iLong said:
Fiat Panda racing with Ferrari Testerossa and u think the Ferrari should not win by default???? Mhhhhhh
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Love these analogies. Here's another meaningless comparison;

What would win in a race, a Fiat Punto or ThrustSSC? Well if it's a straight line race in the desert ThrustSSC, around the block a couple of times I'd put my money on the Fiat.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
IceyJones said:
the python looks like a big viper.....i would not mind if it would lose half of its cargo space and it would keep as agile as it is now....keep the good turn rate, but as it is now, keep also the bad acceleration values.
the optical design language fits better to a fighter ship, than a hauler imho

reduce shield not by 33% but 15-20. would fit perfectly between conda and clipper.
reduce top speed by 10% only. gives viper and cobra their advantage, but does not make the python a sitting duck also

that would fit much better to this ship

do not overnerf it pls. but if you do, pls be so fair to let us sell the resulting piece of crap without the 5.7 million loss we would face when we get rid of it to buy a fer de lance
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IceyJones, meet Vulture.

Vulture will be your new best friend. It's one main reason the Python is being changed, to make more room and give purpose to the Vulture.

You'll love it.

If you want to find out more, search "Vulture".
 

Flyinpiranha

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DimGook said:
Yes because just like Vipers and Eagles, the other combat ships in the game, no one in their right mind would trade in a Python.
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So what if a ship is good at two things? I don't understand this mentality. Does it really make a difference if I go dock and switch ships than if I go dock and switch loadouts?
 

IceyJones

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Ydiss said:
IceyJones, meet Vulture.

Vulture will be your new best friend. It's one main reason the Python is being changed, to make more room and give purpose to the Vulture.

You'll love it.

If you want to find out more, search "Vulture".
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yes.....the vulture with 2x class 3 beams will cut through python shields very quick......also NOW. there is no need to nerf a ship before the tool is in game to crack the nut at all....

but for what did i kill hundrets of elite anacondas to "grind" for a 140 mil ship, if my "end-goal" is reduced to a what? 20 mil ship?

this is ridiculous
 

NettiWelho

NettiWelho
IceyJones said:
bad analogy....

better would be:
can a attack buggy armed with simple machine guns take out M1 abrams tank?
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If you're going after tanks in lightly armored vehicle you don't arm it with a machine gun.
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DimGook

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IceyJones said:
yes.....the vulture with 2x class 3 beams will cut through python shields very quick......also NOW. there is no need to nerf a ship before the tool is in game to crack the nut at all....

but for what did i kill hundrets of elite anacondas to "grind" for a 140 mil ship, if my "end-goal" is reduced to a what? 20 mil ship?

this is ridiculous
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So wait for fer de lance or whatever. Or grind more for anaconda. Or fly vulture and never worry about rebuy costs etc. Or just quit.

If you're going to be this upset everytime the dev makes changes to a ship you might as well quit now, ED is only 1.5 months old and there's a lot of rebalancing coming.
 
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CMDR i Tetsuo

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Doesn't matter if you're pro/anti Python, the balance pass is happening regardless.
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If the devs get it wrong there's no doubt the Python will probably change again in a later balance pass.
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Anything else said on the subject until it's actually happened is nothing but hot air.
 
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Derath

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Flyinpiranha said:
Really? I get the vibe that the Viper shouldn't be able to easily (as in really, really low chance) beat the Python, and that's the point. They're changing it so it's easier to beat the Python which doesn't make sense (to me). In fact with my big tinfoil hat on I think the reason it's being nerfed at all is because of people complaining about it being too strong, which I don't think is a problem.

The "Balance" is just odd for reasoning. Because this is a game where you can have 5 Vipers trying to take out a Type 6. Where's the balance there? You can have 7 Cobra's attacking a Sidewinder. So does it really matter if a ship is really good?
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the vipers still gonna struggle for 2 major reasons, #1 vipers probably the most power limited ship currently, so SCBs hit them hard, #2 it takes 2 clicks with the large hardpoints on a python to remove a vipers shields, thats above shield cell regen level anyway.

you are correct it will be easier, if it already happens it will happen more often, but I don't think it'll be extremely common I think the very best vipers might beat me in the nerfed python but i'd be surprised if the rest did, they'd have to keep on the ships rear all the time any screwup and they'd be done.

As per usual could be wrong, I do adore the current python for my ability to get right up close to every target and stare in the eyes.
 

Aleksej

Aleksej
IceyJones said:
bad analogy....

better would be:
can a attack buggy armed with simple machine guns take out M1 abrams tank?
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Definitely it can. M1A1 Abrams tank is a very heavy tank, too heavy. The main armour plating covers the front of the tank and to reduce the weight other parts of the tank are far less protected. And it has a known weakness that allows is to be destroyed very easily.
During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoilless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine. After repeated attempts to extinguish the fire, the decision was made to destroy or remove any sensitive equipment. Oil and .50 caliber rounds were scattered in the interior, the ammunition doors were opened and several thermite grenades ignited inside.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams
 

Andrej

Andrej
Ydiss said:
Sorry, paraphrasing devs again. It's where I get my information from and helps me formulate an opinion based on facts rather than emotional effects of losing an iwin button.
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They say "if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" If ship have hardpoints pointing in the one spot, lot of power to support that kind of firepower, and very powerful (for it weight) trusters, this mean it was designed to point it nose on the target and deliver a punch. That makes it a combat ship before anything else.
 
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DimGook

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Andrej said:
They say "if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" If ship have hardpoints pointing in the one spot, lot of power to support that kind of firepower, and very powerful (for it weight) trusters, this mean it was designed to point it nose on the target and deliver a punch. That makes it a combat ship before anything else.
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If Python is a combat ship, make its cargo space the same as an Asp.
 

CMDR i Tetsuo

CMDR i Tetsuo
Andrej said:
They say "if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" If ship have hardpoints pointing in the one spot, lot of power to support that kind of firepower, and very powerful (for it weight) trusters, this mean it was designed to point it nose on the target and deliver a punch. That makes it a combat ship before anything else.
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If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck but is the size of an elephant, what you have is a very crafty elephant after free bread...
 

duster88

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There should no nerf to the python because of the expense of replacing it. Insurance loss will be about 3-4 million, cargo loss can be as high as 3 million. 2% damage costs about 20,000 credits, 50% damage costs over 800K credits. A viper loaded is 4.5 mil with mostly best modules. Python loaded is about 75 mil, without highest best modules. A7 power plant alone is over 51 mil. The costs/time requirements to get a python are skewed poorly, so it should be more difficult to kill. A viper is a throw away ship. If you have a T7 or even a t6 you can replace it in 10 min. A python you lose much time/life if its destroyed. A viper costs 10 minutes of time to replace, ie. so long as you have insurance one load of metals, about 225K. Also python is not that much larger, its only a two seater, its operating space with no gravity, so I don't buy that a two seater would not be maneuverable. Also selling it will cost 5.7 million to replace it with something else. As for trading its about T7 in capability. I have mine with some armament, shields and 208 cargo, which isn't that much. You get same as T7, but pay 40 mil more just for starter ship. If they nerf it no one will use it. There aren't that many ships and they skewed the costs. Imo leave it alone, they're already nerfing modules.
 
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