Quest To Find Life Around A White Dwarf

marx

marx
Leif_Erikson said:
Making notes of all the less than ordinary systems I have noticed a regular pattern in the sector layouts.It seems the interesting finds are situated towards the edges of the sector and the middle has very little of note.Have any other explorers noticed this pattern? The vast majority of the White Dwarf unusual finds are from D0 to D3 and D11 to D14 but D4-D10 seem to have very little of note.From now on I will economic route these areas and fast jump the middle sectors to save time.
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I looked into this for Earth-likes a good while ago, with help from Jackie Silver, who decoded how system names are generated - so it would be possible to generate distances from the sector centres from the system name only. The idea was to see how ELWs are distributed, whether there are more near the edges of their respective sectors, or if they are evenly distributed - on a galactic sample, mind. (There were simply too few ELWs found within a single sector then.)
The results were that the ELWs were mostly evenly distributed, with a slightly higher occurence around the bottom. That could simply be caused by how Commanders travel though.
I did have a hunch back then that this observation might be due to how more of the "interesting" stars might be found closer to sector edges, but couldn't really look into that at the time. I think it would be possible to do so now, what with all the data from EDDN.
 
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malenfant

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Leif_Erikson said:
Making notes of all the less than ordinary systems I have noticed a regular pattern in the sector layouts.It seems the interesting finds are situated towards the edges of the sector and the middle has very little of note.Have any other explorers noticed this pattern? The vast majority of the White Dwarf unusual finds are from D0 to D3 and D11 to D14 but D4-D10 seem to have very little of note.From now on I will economic route these areas and fast jump the middle sectors to save time.
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While that's interesting, I think it's also annoying in a way - it makes it feel more like we're trying to decode the sector coding algorithm to figure out where the interesting systems are, rather than actually exploring. I suppose that's the peril of a procedural generation system though.
 

iain666

iain666
A galaxy is too big a space to just blunder around randomly if you want to really explore it.

If we were exploring the galaxy in real life with real space ships we'd be using observations to amass data and attempting to decode the underlying way that the galaxy works (aka 'doing science') to direct our travels towards what we were interested in.

This is just in-game science, we're still amassing data by observation and coming up with theories that can explain the pattern and then going out again and checking them against the (in-game) reality.
 

malenfant

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iain666 said:
This is just in-game science, we're still amassing data by observation and coming up with theories that can explain the pattern and then going out again and checking them against the (in-game) reality.
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It also doesn't help that the in-game galaxy bears little resemblance to the real one, and isn't even based on the same principles. In the real galaxy, it'd be possible to find white dwarfs in planetary nebulae. In ED, they're mostly found in huge galaxy-spanning layers 1000ly above and below the galactic plane (which don't exist in reality), and planetary nebulae don't even exist at all!

So you're right, we are lumbered with the in-game logic, and we're trying to decipher how it works - but we don't really have anything to work on short of 'gather lots of data and see what's there' because we can't really use real astronomical data to help us.
 

Leif_Erikson

Leif_Erikson
marx said:
I looked into this for Earth-likes a good while ago, with help from Jackie Silver, who decoded how system names are generated - so it would be possible to generate distances from the sector centres from the system name only. The idea was to see how ELWs are distributed, whether there are more near the edges of their respective sectors, or if they are evenly distributed - on a galactic sample, mind. (There were simply too few ELWs found within a single sector then.)
The results were that the ELWs were mostly evenly distributed, with a slightly higher occurence around the bottom. That could simply be caused by how Commanders travel though.
I did have a hunch back then that this observation might be due to how more of the "interesting" stars might be found closer to sector edges, but couldn't really look into that at the time. I think it would be possible to do so now, what with all the data from EDDN.
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I have only done economic route plotting through eight sectors but have noticed a big tendency in White Dwarf systems for terraformable worlds orbiting other stars and close range HMC's/WW's around the WD to be found towards the edge of the sector.When I looked back at the notes and screenshots from the previous WD trip I found a similar tendency there too.

Not that sectors D4-D10 are a barren wasteland entirely-one of the ELW finds and one of the Ammonia finds were in this part of the sector.
 

Strangepork

Strangepork
Leif_Erikson said:
My current exploration trip is to find one of the most elusive of Earth Like worlds-one orbiting a White Dwarf. On my previous six month trip from Sol-Colonia via the core I tried to find ELWs orbiting unusual star systems and it was a success but for the few thousand White Dwarf systems I dropped into at the time I found no Earth Likes either orbiting the main star itself or orbiting other stars in the WD system.

But the previous trip did give me hope-I found three systems with Terraformable High Metal Content Worlds and two Water Worlds (non-terraformable) orbiting the WD itself. I also dropped in on a few WD systems with Terraformable HMC's/WW's orbiting other stars. Plus Gunthar recently posted on the forum of a Terraformable Water World orbiting a White Dwarf so surely there must be a procedural generation seed capable of creating an ELW (I suspect it will be a moon of an HMC world).Plus Commanders Allitnil and Guywano have already found Earth Likes orbiting White Dwarfs twinned with other stars so it may not be a mission impossible quest…………

So from Colonia I have set off 16klyrs towards FOIJEOU NF-D D13-56 where Alitnil found his ELW.As there is a WD field from Colonia to there I will plot economical routes filtering only White Dwarves plus Carbon Stars,O Stars and Wolf Rayets to break the monotony with occasional jumps into a regular system to fill up in the hope the procedural generation dice will fall my way. If this doesn’t work the carry on round the core until I'm either back in Colonia or have struck it lucky!

Hopefully I’ll return with a great find or even another “Monde De La Mort” system but the trip will be tedious as White Dwarf systems tend to be nowt but icy worlds and Gas giants and with the dangers of the jets and radiation I don’t know what will be sterile first-my enthusiasm or my testes! :D

*NOTE - I have a question to ask- on last trip I found many types of White Dwarfs from the common DA, DB and DC types to the less common DBV and DAZ types. On the ED Wiki there is a DQ type I haven’t found but I have found a DBZ type that isn’t on the Wiki at all. Has there been changes to the WD classification since the site was last updated? And if there is a DAZ and DBZ type surely there should be a DCZ type out there? :(

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LHS 6309.

https://eddb.io/system/12133
 
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Tychu9

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I have not sold the data yet; so I won't tell you where I am. But I just found an ELW orbiting a Neutron Star. There are also quite a few Terraformable planets there too.

sold the data!
when you get the chance; check out Spoihaae WV-C D228. I'm on the Xbox, so it's a little difficult to get a good screenshot onto here.
 
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Leif_Erikson

Leif_Erikson
My quest will continue with renewed vigour. After worrying about the very high surface pressures on worlds orbiting a WD I ticketed FD and this was their reply :-



[FONT=&quot]Thanks for getting in touch. I can confirm that what you're looking for does indeed exist in the game. I don't know how many systems contain a white dwarf orbited by an Earth-like world - could be one, could be thousands - but there is at least one. :)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Please let me know if I can help any further.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Regards,[/FONT]

CMDR Tronador
[FONT=&quot]Elite: Dangerous Customer Support Wing [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Your Frontier Developments Team[/FONT]
 

Leif_Erikson

Leif_Erikson
I fact,a quick google search confirms this :)

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Edit-turns out it is a Neutron Star-doh!
 
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marx

marx
Leif_Erikson said:
My quest will continue with renewed vigour. After worrying about the very high surface pressures on worlds orbiting a WD I ticketed FD and this was their reply :-


Thanks for getting in touch. I can confirm that what you're looking for does indeed exist in the game. I don't know how many systems contain a white dwarf orbited by an Earth-like world - could be one, could be thousands - but there is at least one. :)

Please let me know if I can help any further.

Regards,

CMDR Tronador
Elite: Dangerous Customer Support Wing
Your Frontier Developments Team
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Oho, so FD support can tell you whether or not something exists? That's very interesting. Thanks for posting this!
 

Oggy85

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didn't find any, yet... But found a BH system that has Neutron star and they are so close that BH is in the jet :)

Man I really like these neutron, wd and giants fileds. the for ELW quest continues..
 
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Oggy85

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I'm not very good at taking screenshots but I tried taking some, not sure if they are of any good, will post system name once I make the claim (screenshot will post later)
 

FixMeNow

FixMeNow
See you are collecting data.

This water world i found is orbiting an M star in a White Dwarf system, dont know if its much help or not.
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I have seen somone has found ringed White Dwarf's so i wouldent be suprised if you find one of them eventually, probably a little more common [yesnod]
 

marx

marx
FixMeNow said:
See you are collecting data.

This water world i found is orbiting an M star in a White Dwarf system, dont know if its much help or not.
http://i.imgur.com/xZU3Zzz.png
I have seen somone has found ringed White Dwarf's so i wouldent be suprised if you find one of them eventually, probably a little more common [yesnod]
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While I'm not Leif who's collecting the data, I think he'd also say that it's helpful to have yours too. It's unfortunate that this appears to have a bugged atmospheric pressure too, but more confirmation is always good.

Also, nice ranks in your sig! :D
 

Leif_Erikson

Leif_Erikson
FixMeNow said:
See you are collecting data.

This water world i found is orbiting an M star in a White Dwarf system, dont know if its much help or not.
http://i.imgur.com/xZU3Zzz.png
I have seen somone has found ringed White Dwarf's so i wouldent be suprised if you find one of them eventually, probably a little more common [yesnod]
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Atmos is high on this one. TBH finding ELWs orbiting M/L stars in white dwarf systems,although rare, are not exceptionally so.So far I have done 1,600 jumps to WD systems and found three ELWs so the odds are not much greater that if I had filtered for M stars only IMHO.

A ringed WD I haven't found yet and suspect I would only find one in a higher code system,perhaps part of a neutron star/black hole system.
 
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