COMPLETED CG Rare Goods Required for Galactic Summit

[WaveRider]

For the sake of argument let's say you can spend 8 hours on this goal, and a FC owner spends 4 hours, and you both end up in the same bracket with the same reward. You say it's not fair on you because the FC owner got the same reward for much less time spent.

The FC owner spent 400 hours in game to earn enough to buy the carrier and complains it's not fair that they got the same reward as a new player who only had to spend 4 more hours in game.

A 3rd player doesn't spend any time on the goal at all, farms a few materials after the goal completes and then purchases the module from a tech broker. You and the carrier owner complain they're sponging off your efforts!

All about perspectives really, and I can't see how you'd ever get a CG that caters for every possible play style or length of time previously spent.

For you, as a new player, I'd recommend investigating engineering and working on that side of things extensively. Makes a huge difference. This CG has a really neat reward, and you'll be able to achieve it comfortably with enough hours effort (plenty of people will miss out because this goal will end very early). If you can't, or don't want to, spend the time on this then you can still get the reward later from a tech broker.

I believe you to be incorrect.

For instance, someone who was in the top 10% yesterday will not be this morning (as the requirement raised approx 250t).

I fully intend to do many things in future regarding Engineering and Guardian boosters etc - but that is not now. Now I need to get back to collecting; I have FC owners I need to try and keep up with lol.

 

[aRJay]

My posts haven't been to say people are being unfair etc. My post has been to highlight that this is a 'Community Goal' - something for the community to give a go. And you having the same experience as I would indicate there are others who would have similar stories to tell.

However, there is a glaring issue that a person with an FC sitting at Geras can outstrip a person doing the travel by quite a bit. This isn't any persons fault, but the situation nonetheless.

It might possibly be those that are fortunate enough to be sitting off Geras or other locations like Lave, may think I am 'attacking' them, but if you read my posts it is not the case.

Even @Ozric indicates I have attacked people calling them cretins - yet if you read my posts I have done nothing of the sort - a possible mistake on his part where I have stated I don't believe someone clever enough to take advantage of a FC sitting off of Geras is then going to be stupid enough not to track the CG they have entered and assess when to submit their payload. Another player indicated they would.

Thank you. <O

Edit: Having just looked at INARA in one day those that were in the top 10%, would now find themselves in the top 25% approx a jump of 250t. Approx 2 hours work for me, but 50 mins for a FC off of Geras; that is all I was highlighting regarding an imbalance with the 'Community Goal'.

If you have a larger capacity ship available too you then there is a more community approach that can boost overall deliveries.

Chat with those commanders who are teabagging at Lave and join in with them.

Spoiler: Teabagging

Each commander helps load one ship at Lave by jettisoning cargo for collectors to harvest that commander when full goes and sells the goods then returns to help load. It can be great fun and very effective.

 

[oztrich]

I believe you to be incorrect.

For instance, someone who was in the top 10% yesterday will not be this morning (as the requirement raised approx 250t).

I fully intend to do many things in future regarding Engineering and Guardian boosters etc - but that is not now. Now I need to get back to collecting; I have FC owners I need to try and keep up with lol.

Top 10% is irrelevant, you only need top 75% to earn the module. I haven't tracked the figures, but that's maybe moved by 10-20t in the past 12 hours?

 

[Northpin]

Incorrect. I highlighted one that shows the advantage quite plainly.

If you mean there are worse examples, then that only strengthens the point I am making. Thank you. <O

Lol
So a non FC commander spending 4h doing the CG ends up in top10% and a FC commander spending the same 4h and gets in the same top10%

And the carrier owner has an advantage you say?
Actually, if the Carrier owner is not lucky enough to get a spot in Geras (*), he might end up making less than the non-fc owner

(*) And if we limit the gameplay to the 4h mentioned in my initial example - the FC owner might never get a spot in Geras - in which case he either is doing lave runs the same way as the non-owners, or he gets the chance to fail the cg completely

 

[Pug]

Thats who I thought of too -Jane Horrocks.

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[WaveRider]

If you have a larger capacity ship available too you then there is a more community approach that can boost overall deliveries.

Chat with those commanders who are teabagging at Lave and join in with them.

Spoiler: Teabagging

Each commander helps load one ship at Lave by jettisoning cargo for collectors to harvest that commander when full goes and sells the goods then returns to help load. It can be great fun and very effective.

Although it doesn't address the balance issue I think there is with the FCs (and why I have been discussing the issue), I very much appreciate the guidance/tips people have been offering, thank you. <O

 

[WaveRider]

Top 10% is irrelevant, you only need top 75% to earn the module. I haven't tracked the figures, but that's maybe moved by 10-20t in the past 12 hours?

The levels are relevant as it is a level (within 75% that people are trying to achieve). The example I gave of someone dropping out of a level can also happen with the 75% level.

 

[Oytis57]

Can't see the Life Support on a bicycle holding out for this CG.

My aim is now not to try and get into the % brackets - but rather to do the best I can do lower the mats cost to buy the item. Racing against someone who can outcollect me with no real issues isn't a challenge - so I changed the challenge to trying to lower the costs.

All about expectations - where I have reviewed the sheer advantage some will have, others may not understand. I hope when they find the levels jumped by 300+ and they missed the 75% cut, they are not too surprised or disappointed. <O

Edit now really must go collect, I have many FCs to weave in and out of to get to the Stns.

Seems like you don't understand it....more participants more quickly the higher Tier is reached and you will have "the lower the mats cost to buy the item"...it's a Community effort so you'll get the same advantage of the top ones even if you end up top 75%.

 

[WaveRider]

Lol
So a non FC commander spending 4h doing the CG ends up in top10% and a FC commander spending the same 4h and gets in the same top10%

And the carrier owner has an advantage you say?
Actually, if the Carrier owner is not lucky enough to get a spot in Geras (*), he might end up making less than the non-fc owner

(*) And if we limit the gameplay to the 4h mentioned in my initial example - the FC owner might never get a spot in Geras - in which case he either is doing lave runs the same way as the non-owners, or he gets the chance to fail the cg completely

Ummm, you do know the CG is over several days and therefore the totals we are talking about are going to multiply?

You also realise that it is likely some FC owners haven't even given up there space and will look to unload closer to the completion of the Goal?

I'm not sure using the opening days and results - and only 2 opposing players is totally getting the big picture.

 

[Oytis57]

Not a cheat - I think it is just the lack of understanding not everyone has Engineered stuff, Guardian boosters, the ability to buy other ships for specific CGs and equip them with the aforementioned items.

So you are saying that a noob playing since a week should have the same chances of any player with years of gameplay on his shoulders and a ton of hard work and upgraded hardware on his side? Really? You know the concept of "Progression" and "upgrading your stuf for better results" ?

 

[Quantis Trap]

Not a cheat - I think it is just the lack of understanding not everyone has Engineered stuff, Guardian boosters, the ability to buy other ships for specific CGs and equip them with the aforementioned items.

I guess you were too busy explaining your carrier comments to detect that I was joking. Also, probably missed that I originally responded to new player who definitely would not yet have the booster unlocked. So, simply in the context, it was logical assumption that the FSD booster would not be an option.

 

[WaveRider]

Seems like you don't understand it....more participants more quickly the higher Tier is reached and you will have "the lower the mats cost to buy the item"...it's a Community effort so you'll get the same advantage of the top ones even if you end up top 75%.

That is exactly what I put down - my aim is to collect to lesson the cost of the item in the end. That is something aside from the getting in the top 75% quest and obtaining a free piece of equipment. Now if that is wrong then I guess I don't understand - but I don't think it is.

Get in top 75% get one free FSD - collect more mats to get lower prices in the end (irrelevant to the % positioning) - is this not correct?

 

[WaveRider]

So you are saying that a noob playing since a week should have the same chances of any player with years of gameplay on his shoulders and a ton of hard work and upgraded hardware on his side? Really? You know the concept of "Progression" and "upgrading your stuf for better results" ?

No I'm not saying that - haven't even hinted at that; try reading the posts because I have mentioned what you just have.

Try not to attack with falsehoods, if you want to 'suggest' something someone has said, have the integrity to quote.

 

[oztrich]

That is exactly what I put down - my aim is to collect to lesson the cost of the item in the end. That is something aside from the getting in the top 75% quest and obtaining a free piece of equipment. Now if that is wrong then I guess I don't understand - but I don't think it is.

Get in top 75% get one free FSD - collect more mats to get lower prices in the end (irrelevant to the % positioning) - is this not correct?

You (personally) need to get top 75% for the free FSD.

The CG will hit tier 5 well before the end date, and that means the full mat discount for everyone (whether they participated or not) when purchasing the module from a tech broker. That discount lasts for 2 weeks after the goal finishes (maybe a bit longer with the early finish).

Whilst you're helping to reach the ultimate goal by spending more time delivering goods your only concern should be top 75%. The higher the tier you aim for the more time it takes you, and the only benefit you get is a minor increase in the credit reward. So the FC owners spending time delivering large volumes helps you if you want to take advantage of the discount. The lower tiers are compressed anyway, so they don't shift enormously later in the CG - you just want to keep an eye on the 75% tier and ensure you're in that at least.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

The levels are relevant as it is a level (within 75% that people are trying to achieve). The example I gave of someone dropping out of a level can also happen with the 75% level.

Top 75% is currently estimated at 125t by Inara (which isn't perfect, but is usually pretty close), with the CG half-completed in terms of total tonnage.

If the second half of the CG is exactly the same as the first, it'll be up to 250t by the end - but with more people joining in the second half, it'll actually be somewhat lower than that. I'd be very surprised if 200t wasn't sufficient for top 75%, anyway.

Not everyone is going to make that, by definition, but five round trips to Lave in a cheap T-6 or similar would do it easily. (After the first trip, a hypothetical beginner would be about 4 million credits up just on the rare sales, and would be able to upgrade their ship, too)

 

[Quantis Trap]

I want to know if we will be able to unlock more than just the size 5 model or if it's only that size. Have they said and I missed it?

 

[WaveRider]

I guess you were too busy beating you're anti-carrier drum to detect that I was joking. Also, probably missed that I originally responded to new player who definitely would not yet have the booster unlocked. So, simply in the context, it was logical assumption that the FSD booster would not be an option.

Exactly what did I say that wasn't true? It looks as if my observation into the advantage a FC gives a player has met with those with a FC feeling it is an attack on them. Sorry 'you' feel that way, as it was an observation I made. If you read my posts you would see it is not the players I am negative about, but the situation.

I have stated that if I had a FC I would be doing the same - hardly anti FC, but whatever floats your spaceship!

I have an opinion, I have stated it - some/many do not/may not agree; I can live with that. I have a game to play and the longer I try to indicate I have not said what some are stating, is time away from the game.

I have shown no disrespect to any here - unless they are specifically looking for it they should not find any - if they are looking to change an observation into an attack, that is on them!

I thank those that have provided help/guidance, but have said my bit. Good Luck Cmdrs <O

 

[Bigmaec]

Top 75% is currently estimated at 125t by Inara (which isn't perfect, but is usually pretty close), with the CG half-completed in terms of total tonnage.

If the second half of the CG is exactly the same as the first, it'll be up to 250t by the end - but with more people joining in the second half, it'll actually be somewhat lower than that. I'd be very surprised if 200t wasn't sufficient for top 75%, anyway.

Not everyone is going to make that, by definition, but five round trips to Lave in a cheap T-6 or similar would do it easily. (After the first trip, a hypothetical beginner would be about 4 million credits up just on the rare sales, and would be able to upgrade their ship, too)

I'm gonna put in more then double that just to be sure though

 

[Quantis Trap]

Exactly what did I say that wasn't true? It looks as if my observation into the advantage a FC gives a player has met with those with a FC feeling it is an attack on them. Sorry 'you' feel that way, as it was an observation I made. If you read my posts you would see it is not the players I am negative about, but the situation.

I have stated that if I had a FC I would be doing the same - hardly anti FC, but whatever floats your spaceship!

I have an opinion, I have stated it - some/many do not/may not agree; I can live with that. I have a game to play and the longer I try to indicate I have not said what some are stating, is time away from the game.

I have shown no disrespect to any here - unless they are specifically looking for it they should not find any - if they are looking to change an observation into an attack, that is on them!

I thank those that have provided help/guidance, but have said my bit. Good Luck Cmdrs <O

WaveRider, I was happy to ignore you explaining yourself over and over in the carrier conversation until you made a completely out of context reference to the unengineered ship builds I was talking about. I was just quickly returning the favor in a sentence or two.

 

[Ozric]

When did I call someone a cretin, could you quote please?

Saying someone states something when they didn't is worse.

Even @Ozric indicates I have attacked people calling them cretins - yet if you read my posts I have done nothing of the sort - a possible mistake on his part

Sure

Ok, you are going off the premise that a FC owner is a cretin, I get it.

I guess in a way it's worse, because aside from using the word to describe a group of people, you're trying to make it sound as though that's how someone else was describing them.