Yes, I imagine the whole instancing system would need to be changed to allow on foot in moving ships. Which is why on foot on planets/stations was the logical step from EDH to EDO.
Ship interior "trial run"
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FDev could definitely organize a "crowdfunding" campaign in their ARX shop to check if the demand for ship interiors could cover the price of development. Worst case they would just refund it saying that not enough people bought the perk.
In terms of implementation (not saying for all players) I think it would be sufficient just to:
I would also like to be able to find an asteroid large enough (similarly to finding hotspots) in the ring (or asteroid cluster) to create asteroid mining base. Maybe allowing to define the rules - like arms-free zone as all current spaceports and FCs concourses or pirate base without such a rule (so that you can visit it on your risk, but potentially find there stolen goods with cheap price, or pre-upgraded ship modules in a way similar to pre-upgraded handheld weapons on stations).
In terms of implementation (not saying for all players) I think it would be sufficient just to:
- Allow to stand and walk in the cockpit (maybe redesigning pilot seat so that it can rotate 180 degrees if cockpit is too narrow to walk) and the door leading to elevator-like room.
- Allow to use SRV bay as an entrance/exit, which would do nearly the same as it does for SRV, but for the pilot body. When you stand in highlighted area underneath and then use embark menu, which starts short animation of pulling you in. Exiting the ship would work similarly to dropships, but while ship is standing on the ground. So minimal changes to current blue circle implementation, but imo more immersive.
- Rework ship entrances and put some sort of air-lock room (with access to ship storage) with automatic door and if needed a ladder extending together with the landing gear (for ships having entrance too high, like FDL).
I would also like to be able to find an asteroid large enough (similarly to finding hotspots) in the ring (or asteroid cluster) to create asteroid mining base. Maybe allowing to define the rules - like arms-free zone as all current spaceports and FCs concourses or pirate base without such a rule (so that you can visit it on your risk, but potentially find there stolen goods with cheap price, or pre-upgraded ship modules in a way similar to pre-upgraded handheld weapons on stations).
So the ship specific model is probably deeply problematic, but it might be possible to do ubiquitous spaces with ships.
Powerplants on sites could be replicated in a common ship space with related repair mechanics. This might be a boon to explorers that currently cannot repair power plants.
Cargo bays of size 5 and greater could be fade to black/ elevator entry for piracy and repelling boarders. This would serve as a nice bridge between foot play and ship based resources. Many of the current base assets could be recycled for these spaces.
Just a few ideas...
Powerplants on sites could be replicated in a common ship space with related repair mechanics. This might be a boon to explorers that currently cannot repair power plants.
Cargo bays of size 5 and greater could be fade to black/ elevator entry for piracy and repelling boarders. This would serve as a nice bridge between foot play and ship based resources. Many of the current base assets could be recycled for these spaces.
Just a few ideas...
I don't feel space legs in and of themselves is the issue nor was it ever the issue . It is more to the poor performance, perceived lack of varied content tied to it at launch and the unfinished feel of some systems.
There was also an expectation, right or wrong, that it would include ship interiors hence fuelling these threads and lending even more weight to adding them.
- can you possibly avoid having to play Doom or...
in the corridor of your ship.
I have no idea but the requests for it started to appear on the forums a few minutes after Odyssey went live.
Much like people wanted to get rid of supercruise and get to different places in a system instantly or at least no more slowly than a star jump by just selecting a destination.
Yeah, it's really not. Different games with different aims. There are so few space games anyway that it's encouraging to have a few more. It's not like every new aviation game kills off all the others.
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True. There's a bunch of people sulking because Starfield won't have seamless transitions from space to surface (like that's the pinnacle of gameplay). They'll keep ED alive
It's single-player too. The squadron, BGS fiends will not enjoy that.
It's almost like it's intended for a different audience
I suppose the test is how many people with Odyssey:
- dock at a starport, disembark to concourse, go to Inter Astra, select new ship, back to elevator, board new ship
and how many people:
- still use the Horizons-style shipyard screen to switch to their new ship with a scene change
If lots of Odyssey owners are doing the first "for immersion" that's probably a good hint to Frontier that purely decorative ship interiors would be popular.
I thought aviation games died with the excel spreadsheet one.
I agree and I would guess more people would do that if there was a reason. E.g. how many would go to the concourse if Odyssey surface missions are added to the in-ship station services panel? I would guess much less (but quite some still) to get dedicated missions directly from mission providers and the ability to negotiate the reward.
There is place for both in my opinion to exist in game if only they provide different game experience. In a very simple form visiting InterAstra could occasionally generate some pre-upgraded module offer (similar to Pioneer Supplies). Or it could be an unique mission given to the commander, e.g. transport another player ship to the desired destination (not the exact instance of player ship, but just using transport orders as a source to generate these missions).
The same is with ship interiors. Adding them only makes sense together with creating additional game loops, such as i.e.:
- aforementioned ability to repair ship power generator
- ability to hack the airlock and install tracking device or timed detonator explosive to the target ship (e.g. as mission target)
- some gatecrasher mechanics, e.g. to escape detention center (there are already prisoner cells implemented in settlements)
I always get out and go there because i love the inmersion that is talking to the inter astra person and saying "please get me my ship" then it being perpared then walking across the landing pad to my ship. Sadly i cant open the door and walk in.
An easy measurable is how many fleet carrier owners purchased the concourse bar but don't typically use the bartender within their own fleet carrier. We don't have the stats, but I'm sure FDev could.
True, but hard to show either way. The bar on my FC is:
- pretty much entirely for RP purposes
- does have trade set up (as a necessary part of the above!)
- hasn't been visited by me since I set it up shortly after U11
- but I did talk to the bartender every day I visited the concourse, and likely will do so again when I next visit in N months time.
How does that come out on the metrics...
Does the fleet carrier owner regularly perform actual trade with the bartender? If not then the bar likely exists for cosmetics and RP.
Edit: Metrics could also be done regarding the Cr wealth of cmdrs vs their FC service purchases. Pulling stats from large populations of players would be a good tool for decision making.
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Mine is for atmosphere, and the crew to relax, the bartender holds some stuff for me as well, he promised he wouldn't sell any!
I installed the shipyard module on my FC for exactly this, swapping ships without getting out of the previous one did my nut in.
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I did because its cool to meet up with a friend at the bar then go do a mission together.