News Ship naming and Name Plates – how it will work
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I don't think you've been listening.
It's about paywalling off a feature in a paid for title, in principle it wouldn't matter if the nameplates were 10p or £10.
In a free to play game paywall whatever the chuff you want, but not in a full priced game with paid for expansions.
People are happy to support, I own over 320 skins. Ultimately I want paid for name plates, because that means more choice and (you'd hope) better name plates, and over time more innovation.
But not having your ship name appear in someone else's HUD unless you've paid for the privilege is another matter entirely, this is missing game functionality and it just shouldn't happen in a paid for title.
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I fear you're right. Judging by the frightening low amount of people rightfully questioning FDev's business practices, and enthusiastic reactions "oh thank you good master, you used a boot instead of a whip master oh master you're so generous good job master" type reactions I fear I am indeed standing of an imaginary hill with a few other players, wasting my virtual breath. There may be few of us left, but what a fine company they are =) As for the rest, well... EA and Ubisoft are proud of that type of behaviour, Corporate Commander likes it!
I just want to point out that you used the word "sheeple".As for the rest of your commentary, which I didn't frankly understand, it has been beaten to death with a broken stick but I can repeat that again:
Fdev is not starving, they are doing well (wouldn't be on the stockmarket if they didn't - it's not that easy to get there), they have enough cash to invest in a hollywood movie ip which we all know is not exactly cheap, they brought in console revenue streams (that is very cool) at a cost of horizons under-delivery (that is NOT), they have planet coaster successfully released, and last but not least:
The idea people here have that a studio the size of FDev, having a successful AAA-priced game (60€ base, 30€ horizons), launched another AAA game with very good reviews, and now investing in third one is relying on microtransactions to survive is absurd.
It's a cash grab, forgive me for naming ships, pardon, things as they are.
The revenue stream from horizons (and the famous years of content to come, meaningful releases) should be the main fund drive for the development and the servers as the majority of traffic is peer 2 peer (which is why, among others, you have people whinning about combat logging).
PS: Last but not least, I am not surprised. If the level of collective playerbase understanding dropped so low that one cannot discern the difference between "some cosmetics will be put in the store" vs. "all the cosmetics will be put in the store", then who is left to understand why the above is wrong?
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Actually it's pretty bad they added so many Suits that cost us whilst we already must buy Paint for Ships.
In fact any of the HoloMe costs are disgraceful. We already paid for Lifetime Passes. This must change.
Actually it's pretty bad they added so many Suits that cost us whilst we already must buy Paint for Ships.
In fact any of the HoloMe costs are disgraceful. We already paid for Lifetime Passes. This must change.
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It was never about "$3 nameplates". It was about nameplates of undisclosed but non-zero cost and an interface feature tied to their ownership. If you still don't understand that then there's little hope, and it's no wonder all you can see is tantrums and whining.
You can get the ship name on a scan without buying the plate.
On the Frontier forums?
Never.
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Your first mistake is listening to anything he says.
Aye, it's in the OP.
I was replying to someone suggesting Sandro hadn't said this, and that Frontier had always planned to have the UI show player shipnames without having to pay money.
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Getting a clarification from Ed on how nameplates were going to work all along is a major community-spurred accomplishment to you, is it? All regarding a singular cosmetic item that's worth less than a cup of coffee is?
I'm sorry to inform you, sir, but you are having horribly misplaced delusions of grandeur here.
It's clearly not important to you. It is however important to others.
Honestly don't get why folk like you have an issue.
Frontier literally did an about turn on a paywall feature thanks to community push back.
The game we all love is now better for it, what's your problem?
If it's a non-issue for you why do you care. As I say it clearly is an issue for a decent number of people and I am one of those people, I see no reason not to just thank people for that, because if people weren't piping up we be stuck with it.
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I can see the spin by Ed is working very well.
The problem for some is that FD holds a magical place in their heart, and there can be no such things as a wrong choice by marketing. FD is infallible, so if its not infallible then reality is wrong. Its weird, espescially because indeed it is about a minor thing, which they then corrected, and the facts are just there to see for all.
Its very strange to not be the fanboy here. I dont like how it feels. Not at all... [where is it]
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For shame Red Anders, normally you accept the facts. It was not uninformed speculation. FD wrote literally we had to pay to have others see our shipnames, and two days ago Sandro was asked if we needed to pay for others to see our shipnames. His answer was a simple "yes". Thats not misinformed, ambiguous or anything. FD was gonna charge it. Once people realised it the forums and Reddit were unhappy. Many said they would stop buying stuff in the store on general principle and FD changed their stance. These are all facts. You can check them yourself.
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Being part of the poor CMDRS, paying for the base game and then Horizons, I have a bit of a hard time accepting this whole micro transactions thing in a game that's Free to Play! Still I get it that FD is always (like any other company) tempted to milk it as hard as they can!! Don't get me wrong here, I like the game a lot, I mean ever since I bought it back 2015 I hardly play anything else, but paying for paintjobs, decals, ship parts, laser colors (ok,ok €1), and in a near future pay for ship name plates, flight suits colors and who knows what more... They could place the lasers as buy in game and give CMDRS store credits for all that bought the laser colors, or something along those lines... Give the community a little something (specially backers and lifetime pass holders, unfortunately I'm either). i would love to have bought my FDL that Chrome paint job but at the time €10?? Come on... Still FD thanks for the endless hours of fun (and wife nagging) that I've had, and believe me this one of the best games I've played in my life (and I'm 41)!!!
From a business/economic perspective I think you could not be more incorrect. Have you looked at the FD financials? They are a surviving small business heavily reliant on cash-flow, but hardly rolling in cash. Last year they reduced their small cash reserves by 2 MGBP (-18%) to 8.6 MGBP. That is less than one-half of a year's operating costs for them and is not a staggering sum. Net result is no ongoing cash-flow = closed doors. ED is a niche title in the niche space-sim genre. It is not like they have sold 50 million copies of the game.I fear you're right. Judging by the frightening low amount of people rightfully questioning FDev's business practices, and enthusiastic reactions "oh thank you good master, you used a boot instead of a whip master oh master you're so generous good job master" type reactions I fear I am indeed standing of an imaginary hill with a few other players, wasting my virtual breath. There may be few of us left, but what a fine company they are =) As for the rest, well... EA and Ubisoft are proud of that type of behaviour, Corporate Commander likes it!
As for the rest of your commentary, which I didn't frankly understand, it has been beaten to death with a broken stick but I can repeat that again:
Fdev is not starving, they are doing well (wouldn't be on the stockmarket if they didn't - it's not that easy to get there), they have enough cash to invest in a hollywood movie ip which we all know is not exactly cheap, they brought in console revenue streams (that is very cool) at a cost of horizons under-delivery (that is NOT), they have planet coaster successfully released, and last but not least:
The idea people here have that a studio the size of FDev, having a successful AAA-priced game (60€ base, 30€ horizons), launched another AAA game with very good reviews, and now investing in third one is relying on microtransactions to survive is absurd.
It's a cash grab, forgive me for naming ships, pardon, things as they are.
The revenue stream from horizons (and the famous years of content to come, meaningful releases) should be the main fund drive for the development and the servers as the majority of traffic is peer 2 peer (which is why, among others, you have people whinning about combat logging).
PS: Last but not least, I am not surprised. If the level of collective playerbase understanding dropped so low that one cannot discern the difference between "some cosmetics will be put in the store" vs. "all the cosmetics will be put in the store", then who is left to understand why the above is wrong?
They have to invest in other games to avoid being a one game wonder and vanishing if/when interest in the niche complex space-sim genre game they developed drops. Thus Planet Coaster and the new game they are working on. In addition, their past success funded the development of ED, which cost far in excess of the Kickstarter funds raised.
Every time a new cosmetic item appears this same tired argument about 'cash grab' comes out. But IMO, selling only optional cosmetic items is the least objectionable way to have ongoing funding for ED.
Ok, I hadn't seen those comments from Sandy. The last I heard it was still at the awaiting clarification stage, not the 'definitely no freebies' stage. Cheers for the correction.
That's literally false. Nothing changed about the feature. It was always going to be this way. All you & the rest of the community "pushed" was the limits of ill-informed rabble-roused nonsense.
Oh, yes, this is totally going to be SO gamechanging. Meanwhile, World of Warships is regularly selling premium ships for $50-$100 on "sale".
What I want to know is - what's *your* problem?
The only issue is that you, and all these other people, have taken something out of context, listened to other people spinning it out of control, and got taken on a ride until Ed here showed up to restore some sanity to the world that isn't actually falling down and never was to begin with.
LET US ALL CELEBRATE THIS GREAT VICTORY OVER THE LIKES OF FD!!!
Where is this rule book on what you should get from a company when you pay "full Price" and what is a "Full Price" game. When I bought Elite Dangerous there were no ship names guarantees... back then I couldn't land on any type of planet regardless if I named my ship or not. To land on a planet, with my nameless ship, I bought Horizon. I guess I paid "Full Price", still don't know what that entitles me to, but no promise to name my ship for free back then.
Now I can name my ship, for $3, so all of the galaxy can know I cared enough to name this make believe ship!! I have to admit I have called a few commander's ships names, but I am not going to pay for those words.
I do not pretend to understand what the big deal is... FD is going to get their money no matter what variation of "name the ships" they give us. I plan on buying extra name plates for the homies that aren't here to enjoy this glorious day.
Long live the free stuff!!
Where is this rule book on what you should get from a company when you pay "full Price" and what is a "Full Price" game. When I bought Elite Dangerous there were no ship names guarantees... back then I couldn't land on any type of planet regardless if I named my ship or not. To land on a planet, with my nameless ship, I bought Horizon. I guess I paid "Full Price", still don't know what that entitles me to, but no promise to name my ship for free back then.
Now I can name my ship, for $3, so all of the galaxy can know I cared enough to name this make believe ship!! I have to admit I have called a few commander's ships names, but I am not going to pay for those words.
I do not pretend to understand what the big deal is... FD is going to get their money no matter what variation of "name the ships" they give us. I plan on buying extra name plates for the homies that aren't here to enjoy this glorious day.
Long live the free stuff!!