News Ship naming and Name Plates – how it will work

[Ian Skippy]

If you genuinely interpreted this to mean flying up to someone else's physical ship and eyeballing the hull, then it actually does explain a great deal of what's been so frustrating about reading your arguments for the past several hours.

Most of it makes some sort of sense now. Thank you for clarifying.

He's making it up as he goes along. There is no way anyone would sincerely believe Sandro would take the time to say:"If you dont have a plate other people cannot see the plate you dont have."

He's just weaseling himself out here.

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Does anybody know as i have a fleet of ships can i name them all individually or do i get one ship name that transfers to whatever ship i'm flying?

cheers if i get a response.

You can rename each ship as often as you want, and when you buy a plate you can use that 'template' on every ship with the name of that individual ship.

 

[Iskariot]

Hi everyone,

There’s been a number of questions from Commanders regarding ship naming and how ship name plates will work so we wanted to give you a little more information about how these features will work when they’re released.

In-game ship naming

When you have named your ship in-game, your ship name will appear in multicrew grouping and in your HUD. In addition to this, in beta 5, when other people scan you, or target you in space they will be able to see your ship name in their UI. This feature will be available for all players of Elite Dangerous (both base game and Horizons players) including Xbox One, upcoming PS4 release and PC Commanders.

Cosmetic Ship Name Plates

The ship name plates will offer an added layer of cosmetic personalisation for Commanders wanting to wear their name with pride, much like paint jobs and other cosmetics currently available in the store.

Name plates will be made available in themed packs. These packs will contain three designs, each of which will be available in three colours: black, white, and grey. This makes a total of 9 nameplates per pack. After purchase, each pack will be available for use across all of your ships (Ship launched fighters and SRVs don’t have name plates) and each pack of 9 variant plates will be coming into store at just £2/€2.5/$3. This means that purchasing one pack of name plates will allow you to use that style across all of your current and future ships, at the same time and rename each individual ship as many times as you like. We believe this flexibility offers Commanders great value and is a great way to help support the continued development of Elite Dangerous.

Thanks!

I was a bit apprehensive in the beginning, but I am very content with this approach.
It is affordable and being able to use a purchased nameplate for all owned ships, and being able to rename at will is exactly what I wanted from this.
Count me in FD.

 

[V'larr]

He's making it up as he goes along. There is no way anyone would sincerely believe Sandro would take the time to say:"If you dont have a plate other people cannot see the plate you dont have."
He's just weaseling himself out here.

Please speak for yourself only.

I can just as easily claim "There's no way anyone actually thought Sandro meant Fdev would be taking the time and resources necessary to split up ship names being visible dependent on whether or not you had bought the cosmetic name plate item in the store or not."

And even if that were close to the truth, t's not even close to being comparable to the practices other online game companies regularly do with their games, selling cosmetic items for $5-20 apiece *per vehicle* that do not get shared between other vehicles nor can be reapplied without spending yet more money.

Common sense seems to elude people the moment they see the equivalent of a red flag these days.

 

[bitstorm]

This community just gets better and better

You realise Frontier were going to paywall ship names so they won't appear in YOUR HUD unless the person you're scanning has paid money?

The community you're complaining about pushed back on that.

 

[V'larr]

You realise Frontier were going to paywall ship names so they won't appear in YOUR HUD unless the person you're scanning has paid money?
The community you're complaining about pushed back on that.

That's not the truth, and it won't become true just by you repeating it over and over.

 

[bitstorm]

That's not the truth

I think you might be the only person that actually believes that.

 

[V'larr]

I think you might be the only person that actually believes that.

You can refer to the post you just quoted....

 

[Ian Skippy]

Please speak for yourself only.

I can just as easily claim "There's no way anyone actually thought Sandro meant Fdev would be taking the time and resources necessary to split up ship names being visible dependent on whether or not you had bought the cosmetic name plate item in the store or not."

And even if that were close to the truth, t's not even close to being comparable to the practices other online game companies regularly do with their games, selling cosmetic items for $5-20 apiece *per vehicle* that do not get shared between other vehicles nor can be reapplied without spending yet more money.

Common sense seems to elude people the moment they see the equivalent of a red flag these days.

Thats what he literally said. And what they literally wrote earlier. Now you're just claiming people should not listen to FD if it conflicts with their preconceived notions.

You're just making it up because you arent willing to simply accept what people say, just becausr you dont like what it means. Which is weak.

 

[playfuldreamer]

Please speak for yourself only.

I can just as easily claim "There's no way anyone actually thought Sandro meant Fdev would be taking the time and resources necessary to split up ship names being visible dependent on whether or not you had bought the cosmetic name plate item in the store or not."

And even if that were close to the truth, t's not even close to being comparable to the practices other online game companies regularly do with their games, selling cosmetic items for $5-20 apiece *per vehicle* that do not get shared between other vehicles nor can be reapplied without spending yet more money.

Common sense seems to elude people the moment they see the equivalent of a red flag these days.

You hear that, CMDRs? That's the sound of the goal posts being moved.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Hi everyone,

There’s been a number of questions from Commanders regarding ship naming and how ship name plates will work so we wanted to give you a little more information about how these features will work when they’re released.

In-game ship naming

When you have named your ship in-game, your ship name will appear in multicrew grouping and in your HUD. In addition to this, in beta 5, when other people scan you, or target you in space they will be able to see your ship name in their UI. This feature will be available for all players of Elite Dangerous (both base game and Horizons players) including Xbox One, upcoming PS4 release and PC Commanders.

Cosmetic Ship Name Plates

The ship name plates will offer an added layer of cosmetic personalisation for Commanders wanting to wear their name with pride, much like paint jobs and other cosmetics currently available in the store.

Name plates will be made available in themed packs. These packs will contain three designs, each of which will be available in three colours: black, white, and grey. This makes a total of 9 nameplates per pack. After purchase, each pack will be available for use across all of your ships (Ship launched fighters and SRVs don’t have name plates) and each pack of 9 variant plates will be coming into store at just £2/€2.5/$3. This means that purchasing one pack of name plates will allow you to use that style across all of your current and future ships, at the same time and rename each individual ship as many times as you like. We believe this flexibility offers Commanders great value and is a great way to help support the continued development of Elite Dangerous.

Thanks!

Thank goodness you guys changed your minds on the whole "Nobody will be able to see your ship's name on their HUD unless you pay for the privilage" thing. I could see not offering a NAMEPLATE for free, but paywalling the name on the HUD? Not cool.

 

[Rhaedas]

That's not the truth, and it won't become true just by you repeating it over and over.

It's in the first changelog.

It's inferred due to the fact that to anyone in beta naming their ship couldn't be seen by anyone else (we still don't have nameplates available, for testing or for purchase).

And then there's the final confirmation in the last stream.

Sure points to intent. Or it could have been the coincidence of a mistaken changelog entry, a reported matching bug in beta 1-4 that repeatedly went without official comment until late (and that was that a vague one on it coming up, that could have meant anything), and then a verbal flub happening to match the community's impression.

Could be either of those without any admission or denial from FDev, which we're not going to get. So let's move on, we know now what we're getting in beta 5 on, finally, and it matches more what everyone wants to see.

 

[V'larr]

Thats what he literally said. And what they literally wrote earlier. Now you're just claiming people should not listen to FD if it conflicts with their preconceived notions.
You're just making it up because you arent willing to simply accept what people say, just becausr you dont like what it means. Which is weak.

There's entirely too much irony contained in this one post for me NOT to laugh out loud. I'd apologize, but then, I don't feel bad about it whatsoever.

But no, it's not true that's what was literally said.

Thank goodness you guys changed your minds on the whole "Nobody will be able to see your ship's name on their HUD unless you pay for the privilage" thing. I could see not offering a NAMEPLATE for free, but paywalling the name on the HUD? Not cool.

Except for the whole thing where they didn't *change* anything, they simply gave a clarficiation on an issue that certain groups of players took out of context, spun out of control, and started a riot over, all over a one-time $3 payment and a contextual answer on a live stream filled with hundreds of other questions/answers that got taken the wrong way.

Think about it for just a minute.

How would it make any sense to invest the time and money into splitting the HUD up into "paid for nameplates" vs "not paid for nameplates"?

Do you realize just how big a headache it would be to create such a system?

Not even Wargaming would go through that much effort for the sake of penny-pinching.

 

[Ian Skippy]

It's in the first changelog.

It's inferred due to the fact that to anyone in beta naming their ship couldn't be seen by anyone else (we still don't have nameplates available, for testing or for purchase).

And then there's the final confirmation in the last stream.

Sure points to intent. Or it could have been the coincidence of a mistaken changelog entry, a reported matching bug in beta 1-4 that repeatedly went without official comment until late (and that was that a vague one on it coming up, that could have meant anything), and then a verbal flub happening to match the community's impression.

Could be either of those without any admission or denial from FDev, which we're not going to get. So let's move on, we know now what we're getting in beta 5 on, finally, and it matches more what everyone wants to see.

Dont bother. It cannot have been more explicit than it was in the patch notes. As vlar said it was a stupid idea, and he is just not willing to admit fd had a stupid idea. So when Sandro said yes when asked again, he simply turns it into no. Because it feels nicer.

When people start to out-whiteKnight me, I'm out.

 

[Rhaedas]

How would it make any sense to invest the time and money into splitting the HUD up into "paid for nameplates" vs "not paid for nameplates"?

Same line of IF-THEN code that checks to see what paintjob or bobblehead you have.

 

[Iskariot]

I think you might be the only person that actually believes that.

No I don't believe that either, unless you can show me a dev actually stating that.

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Dont bother. It cannot have been more explicit than it was in the patch notes. As vlar said it was a stupid idea, and he is just not willing to admit fd had a stupid idea. So when Sandro said yes when asked again, he simply turns it into no. Because it feels nicer.

You mean they really intended to do that?
I tend to believe you, because I know you as being quite levelheaded.
That would have been a very weird idea indeed.

 

[V'larr]

It's in the first changelog.

Same issue of misunderstanding, this very likely refers to being physically visible on the ship.

It's inferred due to the fact that to anyone in beta naming their ship couldn't be seen by anyone else (we still don't have nameplates available, for testing or for purchase).

You just provided the answer to the question of why people in beta can't see other nameplates. It's beta. When the nameplates are available for testing, then you might draw that conclusion, otherwise, it's erroneous to do so.

And then there's the final confirmation in the last stream.

Which was only confirming the question of whether you have to pay to *physically* see ship names. As in, nameplates, on their ship. Granted, the framing of the question was poorly ambiguous, but it seemed pretty obvious to me.

Sure points to intent. Or it could have been the coincidence of a mistaken changelog entry, a reported matching bug in beta 1-4 that repeatedly went without official comment until late (and that was that a vague one on it coming up, that could have meant anything), and then a verbal flub happening to match the community's impression.
Could be either of those without any admission or denial from FDev, which we're not going to get. So let's move on, we know now what we're getting in beta 5 on, finally, and it matches more what everyone wants to see.

Or that you lot with the pitchforks and torches are drawing connections and conclusions where there really aren't any.

What I don't want to see is the community continuing to be stirred up by falsehoods and provocations and misguided notions of community nobility, when the truth couldn't be any more different.

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Same line of IF-THEN code that checks to see what paintjob or bobblehead you have.

Neither of those items have anything to do with the HUD or UI, they are *purely* physically-cosmetic items.

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Dont bother. It cannot have been more explicit than it was in the patch notes. As vlar said it was a stupid idea, and he is just not willing to admit fd had a stupid idea. So when Sandro said yes when asked again, he simply turns it into no. Because it feels nicer.

When people start to out-whiteKnight me, I'm out.

You know, normally you can be quite reasonable, but you're flat-out lying, insulting, and drawing strawmans of me repeatedly in this thread. Cut it out.

 

[Rhaedas]

No pitchforks here, only complaints at the time. So add to all the coincidences I listed that there was no clarification early on to obvious turmoil that the community has misunderstood, and that Ed's simple statement didn't reflect that either, it only says how the feature will work starting beta 5.

I guess anything will continue to cause drama, some people have to be right. If FDev came out and said, yeah, we goofed, or, no, we really screwed up the communication, there would still be two sides as to whether it's the real Truth, or whether they were pressured by the continued arguing to say something.

I'm moving on, believe what you want to believe. I won't bring pitchforks, but if they do something like this again, misunderstanding or actual intent to make some cash, I will step up and say something.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Except for the whole thing where they didn't *change* anything, they simply gave a clarficiation on an issue that certain groups of players took out of context, spun out of control, and started a riot over, all over a one-time $3 payment and a contextual answer on a live stream filled with hundreds of other questions/answers that got taken the wrong way.

Think about it for just a minute.

How would it make any sense to invest the time and money into splitting the HUD up into "paid for nameplates" vs "not paid for nameplates"?

Do you realize just how big a headache it would be to create such a system?

Not even Wargaming would go through that much effort for the sake of penny-pinching.

Except that it was in the first 2.3 patchnote:

Ship Naming

• If it's not our ship and they have no name plates, then we don't know the ship's name

This was then confirmed in the last live stream as well. Frontier has made some questionable decisions recently, in regards to this game. One like this didn't surprise me at all.

 

[rootsrat]

I strongly suggest to stop the personal attacks and remarks. Please?

Thanks.

 

[bitstorm]

No I don't believe that either, unless you can show me a dev actually stating that.

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You mean they really intended to do that?
I tend to believe you, because I know you as being quite levelheaded.
That would have been a very weird idea indeed.

It's been linked umpteen times in the thread already though.

Darkfyre just linked it above, along with the patch notes showing the change being added into 2.3.

And here it is linked with Sandro stating it the other day : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ates-–-how-it-will-work?p=5307369#post5307369

Thread's going round in circles, I mean it'd be nice to move on now, it's past.