Speak for yourself, I was never fond of doing multiple loops to engineer my modules, being able to haul modules would actually save me time lol.
Should be able to move modules in cargo.
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Speak for yourself, I was never fond of doing multiple loops to engineer my modules, being able to haul modules would actually save me time lol.
well if you packed the whole thing as tight as possible with osmium then the ship would be too heavy to jump. That seems idiotic as well
How do you know that? The only thing that limits weight in a ship is thrusters and you better bet they can handle weights well above the nominal weight of the ship using them (for reference, you can fit 4D thrusters in an Anaconda with some tricks), about hyperspace jumps, you can fit a FSD booster which adds up 10 Ly regardless of the weight you carry.
Also, even if what you said is true, that wouldn't prevent you from storing more osmium per canister than we already do given the flexibility in weight we have when fitting ships.
Keep trying.
Ok champ. Here we go. A cargo conda can hold 402t of cargo. You fill it with 402 osmium canisters that each weigh 1t.
as you said before, the canisters would be mostly empty space... 95% empty space. Let’s fill that ALL in with osmium. The 402 (5%) is now 8040t.
you exceed the max mass of 7A DD thrusters which is ~2k, and the optimal mass for FSD with long range and mass manager is about 2k as well. I don’t know the exact formula for FSD jumps, but you’re not going anywhere over 2-3 ly, if you can even take off.
this is why it would make sense to have standard 1 t packages of standard size even if it means “dead” space within the package. A galaxy wide uniform packaging convention makes total sense. Canisters need to work across all ships and be standard in mass for ease of shipping.
thank you for coming to my ted talk.
First of all, you are still ignoring the fact that the FSD booster adds 10 Ly flat regardless of weight, i.e., even if your jump range was 0 Ly, the added boost would allow you to jump 10 Ly.
Second of all, I already said your argument doesn't prevent you to fill up canisters partially but with more cargo, for example, you could store double the Osmium without being overweight.
Third of all, you could instead fill up completely as many canisters as you can and save the remaining cargo rack space for other commodities or another module provided you were wise enough to give a little headroom.
Fourth of all, 7A thrusters have a nominal maximum mass of 3240 T, if you use strengthening (the level doesn't matter) with the experimental effect of drive distributors you can get it up to 3563 T. I don't get why you'd use DD if your objective is to haul as much cargo as possible.
Fifth of all, having a universal canister doesn't prevent it in any way to be filled completely, for example, modern day TEUs which are a standard to transport commodities all around the world are often filled completely even if they don't carry the same things inside them.
Summary, not being able to fill up your canisters is dumb AF.
we have a standard canister
we have a standard weight
the only remaining variable is how full/ not full that canister is.
maybe you think it’s dumb, I don’t care. But to have canisters be completely full regardless of weight would mean they would have various tonnages, which they do not
I can't believe I need to make a case to show that having the vast majority of your cargo space wasted is dumb, might as well stop playing chess with the pigeon.
Then come up with a better explanation of how we can have containers of the same size and weight that hold various substances and goods.
Having such containers is not an issue, the issue is that they are the only ones in existence. That's why this whole system is dumb because it forces you to leave empty the majority of your volume when hauling dense commodities. About the explanation, I don't need to, I'm not trying to make sense of the game because it's a game, this whole conversation has been about the absurdity of the system.
It's still a bad idea that has no value to add to the game.
We have module transfer, ship transfer, pinned blue prints.
That makes it easy to upgrade modules except for the specials which should take a little more effort.
There is no profit to be made. Buying and selling are the same price.
You simply have an "I WANT". Those don't matter much.
We have module transfer, ship transfer, pinned blue prints.
That makes it easy to upgrade modules except for the specials which should take a little more effort.
There is no profit to be made. Buying and selling are the same price.
You simply have an "I WANT". Those don't matter much.
I worked it out to be just one loop - in fact, it became an expression:
Someone: o7 CMDR, what you up to tonight?
Me: Flying The Loop.
Someone: What did you buy this time?
Me: You'll see...
This idea doesn't get off the starting blocks because you just blow past all the logical reasons it doesn't work and insist instead that it just should.
You didn't really say anything on the subject. You clearly didn't read much of the thread because all of your questions were answered long ago.
Idk, the system kind of makes sense if you want efficient shipping across all ship models and star ports. Convenient packaging in nothing new. I regularly get boxes from Amazon that are 3-4x bigger than necessary for the item being shipped, but they jsut throw in the air bag so nothing bounces around. Also, any equipment used to handle the canisters can be built to a narrow set of specs. And this could be simply easier to deal with in low or null G.
Under a different model, cargo racks would have to change to hold X amount of canisters (instead of tons), and the canisters could weigh varying amounts. But that would introduce issues with ship movement. This is a coll concept and might add some spice to space trucking, but could also make some people mad
TL;DR - I think there are decent in-universe reasons for having the canisters all weigh 1t. to do differently might be interesting, but would require gameplay changes that would upset some folks (Example ADS vs FSS)
You're making a good argument but you should have known to give up as soon as he said "I don't need to explain". You're talking to a discussion void.
"Why do we need telephones when we already have messenger boys?" Attributed to an anonymous businessman when Bell introduced the first phones.
Well, because first you have to go to the place you're going to - say, an Engineer - then you have to order a transport, and pay for it. Then you have to wait for the thing to turn up. Then........you have to do all that again to move it again to where you want it. Really, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see the benefit of self-transport.
Hmm, I've heard reasons, but none that I consider logical. In fact, none that I consider other than silly, tbh. This issue of volume makes no sense to me at all, even on its own terms. Apparently, an Imperial Cutter can hold an 80t Shield Generator in its cargo slot, but not a 32t Sidewinder. "Ahh, but think of the difference in VOLUME!". OK, you tell me what the volumes are of those respective items. And what about all the other various ship's components: power plants, distributors etc? No doubt you'll tell me they're also too large to fit into the cargo space of a large ship, but that makes no sense to me at all. A cargo ship should be able to carry, you know, cargo. Big and small.
I honestly don't care about volumes anyway. I genuinely believe this is just a rationale from people who are always afraid of change, no matter what it is.
Thing is, transfers weren't really created to be a convenience. They were created to be a Credit Sink, because the non-existent economy is bloated with credits.
If transfers were created to be a credit sink then they're doing a poor job, especially since It's now easier than it ever was to make credits. You want credit sinks? The new carriers will serve better, I think. Also consider player owned bases, modular in nature, so that new modules can be stuck on when finances allow. Also, long range jumpgates; varying in range and more expensive as the range increases.
In my mind's eye I can see heads exploding all over the place. All this change..........
I feel like you’re trolling.
First of all, it’s a cargo RACK, designed to hold canisters of uniform size. Each canister is 1m by 2 m. The volume of the cargo rack is the size of x amount of canisters.
you may be able to theoretically fit a ship in there, but the cargo scoop is only 5m wide, and no ship can fit through there