Should Elite Dangerous move towards a free to play model?

So what about the Life Time Expansion pass holders? What possible way could free to play benefit them? LEP holders paid up front for all future paid updates. A few free skins simply will not cut it. Free to play at this point in the games life is an awful idea. Once the game is done and reaching the end of its life, then maybe, but now? A great big hell no!
If im correct I think the OP was only asking for the base game to be Free and all future content purchased by players.
 
Microtransactions that have zero impact on the games itself (purely cosmetic mc's) and provide a revenue stream for further development.
This still damages the games design and development.
If the entire focus and way of making money for the game is on high quality expansion packs, then it makes the game develop differently to when it has "alternate revenue streams" built into the game.

Because only the base game would be for free. They would still have to pay for horizons and update 2020.
The title of this thread could probly do with being changed then.

"Should the base game be free?"

Is better than "should it move towards a free to play model"

A free to play model is different to the base game being free.

I'd be fine with them having a representative demo of the game out there for free. That's always pretty cool
 
This still damages the games design and development.
If the entire focus and way of making money for the game is on high quality expansion packs, then it makes the game develop differently to when it has "alternate revenue streams" built into the game.
Damages it by having the funds there to continue developing it.

Interesting.
 
Then you don't understand what free to play means. It means the entire game is free to play. Look at Path Of Exile. They keep adding dlc, but it is all free to play.
No. YOU dont understand what free to play means. Are you telling me that all free to play games should just be confined to being 100% free future content?

Let me tell you that is wrong, free to play games come in many different models and pay styles. The one which I am pushing for is making the BASE game free; Horizons + 2020 equals full price! This is what my original post was arguing for. If you have a problem understanding that then I cant help your english out
 
This still damages the games design and development.
If the entire focus and way of making money for the game is on high quality expansion packs, then it makes the game develop differently to when it has "alternate revenue streams" built into the game.



The title of this thread could probly do with being changed then.

"Should the base game be free?"

Is better than "should it move towards a free to play model"

A free to play model is different to the base game being free.

I'd be fine with them having a representative demo of the game out there for free. That's always pretty cool
This is just petty. You are clearly just too lazy to read my entire post like the majority of respondents here. If you had read the first post correctly you would have understood. So I will not be changing the thread title
 
No. YOU dont understand what free to play means. Are you telling me that all free to play games should just be confined to being 100% free future content?

Let me tell you that is wrong, free to play games come in many different models and pay styles. The one which I am pushing for is making the BASE game free; Horizons + 2020 equals full price! This is what my original post was arguing for. If you have a problem understanding that then I cant help your english out
Then please change the title as Novo Mundus suggested, because that is not what you originally posted.
 
Damages it by having the funds there to continue developing it.

Interesting.
It is interesting. I just feel that it's bound to have an effect on how the game get's developed if at least some portion of the money comes directly from "it's only cosmetic" microtransactions, to me that makes sense.

It's a very good sign that ARX will allow you to get cosmetics by just playing the game though.
 
It is interesting. I just feel that it's bound to have an effect on how the game get's developed if at least some portion of the money comes directly from "it's only cosmetic" microtransactions, to me that makes sense.

It's a very good sign that ARX will allow you to get cosmetics by just playing the game though.
Just wait until space legs comes into being because you can bet your house on Frontier going all on on monitising the crap out of that.

Funny thing was EA did that with sims 3 and had to remove it for sims 4.
 
I am the OP and I have read many replies. I think the majority of people here are misinterpreting what I said.

I said NOTHING about a monthly subscription.
I said NOTHING about increasing the grind and in game costs of ships.
I said NOTHING about adding pay to progress microtranactions (such as £10 for 100 G5 mats)

All I said, was to make the base game free to encourage more players to give elite dangerous a try. I sense that many members of the community are afraid that making the base game free would introduce a dynamic whereby Frontier also introduce these pay to progress microtranactions.

However I disagree. How often is Elite Dangerous on sale at over 70% off? I would say, probably every big steam sale and every big Update. I believe it only sells for around £5 during these periods! So if frontier are so unafraid of selling Elite for £5, then I strongly believe that they do not care about this small amount. Frontier know that their playerbase spend more money on Horizons +update 2020 and cosmetics over a longer period.

TLDR.

So to summarise, my initial post was not calling for a monthly subscription or pay to win microtranactions, but simply making elite dangerous cost NOTHING and change NOTHING to the current game. Are you players still against free to play in this instance?!
ok so you meant as a teaser to then sell the DLC such as horizons or "2020 update" for proper cash? in which case am not so appalled ;)

however there is an issue imo which would need significant work for FD to fix. Right now it is comically easy to cheat in ED. (i mean proper full on nasty cheat not exploiting loopholes). Right now there is not much to put people off doing it, but one reason is a potential account ban. At the very least "some" money goes to the FD coffers as cheaters have to buy the game again. its not much but it is something.....

if the base game went free i fear you could multiply the number of cheaters 10 fold. so in principle i would not complain if base game was free but horizons dlc was kept at £14 or what ever the deluxe edition goes for in a sale these days but practically i think it would be bad.
 
Damages it by having the funds there to continue developing it.

Interesting.
in an ideal world where the game could sustain itsself without doing it, then the game would 100% be better for it because earning skins and other cosmetics in games IS game content in and of itsself. perhaps it is weak psycholagy but i would enjoy working to get allied in as many random factions as i could if i knew that allied cmdrs got a free skin for a certain ship for doing it for instance.

for me that would be a huge increase in fun without FD actually making any new content at all. Back in the day DB voiced how he was surprised and a bit dissapointed that players found a small group of systems, got allied and never moved beyond them..... The reason i think is because really objectively every system is the same so once you have a good A B C trade route witha decent res, regular CZs and a good station for gearing up there really is no point for a lot of players to move on.

however i think we would get players migrating far more if once you were allied and got your skin you needed to go elsewhere to get another, or if once you had got X number of 1st discoverds or what ever you got a bobblehead. etc etc etc. of course you would then need a (room in bigger ships once we get legs) panel in the game somewhere where we could see models of all our stuff we earned, a sort of trophy cabinet... again not for all players but myself and i believe others would love trying to get them all.

so from that view, monetising cosmetics DOES harm the game. earning coin for them in game is a step forward but imo still wont give the kind of thing i am talking about. As a non competetive player this is why i preferred the original KSer pitch of everything gettable in game but with a cash shop for credits... but i totally respect why FD changed it to what it is. a necessary evil perhaps.?
 
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I said NOTHING about a monthly subscription.
I said NOTHING about increasing the grind and in game costs of ships.
I said NOTHING about adding pay to progress microtranactions (such as £10 for 100 G5 mats)
Then your thread title is misleading - F2P means some or all of these bits, usually.

However I disagree. How often is Elite Dangerous on sale at over 70% off? I would say, probably every big steam sale and every big Update. I believe it only sells for around £5 during these periods! So if frontier are so unafraid of selling Elite for £5, then I strongly believe that they do not care about this small amount. Frontier know that their playerbase spend more money on Horizons +update 2020 and cosmetics over a longer period.

TLDR.

So to summarise, my initial post was not calling for a monthly subscription or pay to win microtranactions, but simply making elite dangerous cost NOTHING and change NOTHING to the current game. Are you players still against free to play in this instance?!
Taking your sale example above, a fiver is still a fiver, and it's only temporary anyways - from FDev's viewpoint it would be silly to forfeit that to attract a certain clientele - the ones unwilling to spend even just a beer's worth on a game like Elite, and who are therefore unlikely to spend any more money on full price extensions, let alone cosmetics. FDev doesn't gain anything from people playing it for free and then abandoning it a couple of weeks later (word of mouth is an argument but at this stage Elite Dangerous is a pretty well established brand anyways so I doubt the effects will be that noticeable).

What I think FDev should do is combine the base game and Horizons into one, thus removing player fragmentation, charge full price for future DLC and they can continue selling cosmetics as they do now (not a fan of Arx myself but will reserve judgement until the pricing model and in-game Arx rewards are clarified).

Not to mention the cheating concerns if Elite were to be free as others have already stated.
 
indeed. now Mac support is gone there is no reason at all that i can think of why they cant all be rolled into 1 and i actually believe it will happen after 2020 update. at the very least 2020 will come with horizons bundled.
 
They barely figured out how to handle expansions. I lost track on the repackaging of base game and expansion. They promised a bonus for buying expansion which I never saw. LEP buyers arent so sure what their investment really got them.
Their plus side is having a delivered kickstarter project. On the post launch side it's not been that rosy. A F2P model wont change that. You have to offer value consistently. That's not magically created by go7ng f2p. Also the ppl you draw in with f2p are gone with the wind easily because they have no investment. Once they smell the reek of engineer grind expect a lot of them to put the game down.
 
I'm with the No to p2p.
But I have lots of ship skins and will be likely to buy more, so am a bad example for OPs argument.
I can recommend bobble heads. These can be used in any ship
 
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