Shouldn't dedicated ships make more money on average in comparison to multitasking ships?

[Stelar 7]

The conda is not better than the Vette at killing stuff. Not at all. It turns like a boat.

Similarly the Python excells at cargo for a medium ship. Why is it labeled a generalist ship? Its only ok at combat.

Also, taking the premise of the OP to an extreme we must now look at every activity in the game and do only what makes the most credits per hour.

So, stacked wing combat or map mining, depending on individual abilities.

All other activities are canceled.

Or do what you want and fly what you want. That's what I'll be doing.

 

[BL1P]

Rather than "Shouldn't dedicated ships make more money on average in comparison to multitasking ships?".
I think its more a case of "Shouldn't Dedicated ships be better at the dedication than multirole ships".
and for me the answer is yes they should but no they don't.

Saddly its too late to change them all now.

 

[INSTG8R]

I dunno my Python is probably 6 years old it started as a combat ship, then a trader and is now a mining ship.

 

[photomankc]

I guess I really don't get it.... what is supposed to be the extra "more gooder" part of specialist ship?

I have a generalist Python. It's great in Colonia where the opportunities include a lot of outposts. It's fitted with Prismo Shields because while it can fight, it's not meant to fight so it's already not going to be taking on wings or sustained bounties and even 3 chained interdictions starts to really put pressure on it. It's got some armor so it doesn't fold the moment the shields go down. It's got an FSD booster so most deliveries are within 1 jump. It's got DSS to find surface POIs on planets I visit. It's got an SRV bay so I can do hostile foot activity without legging it so far. It's got 200T of cargo to allow it to take any non-wing cargo mission that you'll find. Weapons are for ship combat because that is the most threatening area. Ground combat it's very poor at. I spend a lot of time in it because it gives me the most options to play anything I decide to do. All those options come at a cost to being excellent in all the other areas.

Two SRVs would be better for lots of foot missions as there is always a possibility of losing one.
Armor and Boosters make the Python a pretty decent fighting ship but obviously at the cost of all other options because it needs every slot filled.
More cargo containers would make it far more profitable by almost a third if it was a paper-hulled trade wagon.

So why is it that some 'it's not the right ship' bonus nerf needs to be applied to it? It's already sacrificing the best possible build for all the areas involved.

 

[BL1P]

I don't think its a nerf that's required to multirole ships but an improvement to the specialised ships of each size group.

 

[DemiserofD]

Most ships are just fine. Only a few need tweaks, but the list is small.

Beluga: buff to c8 fsd.
Federal Dropship: Buff armor and hardness.
Asp Scout: Add military compartments.

That's basically it. All other ships are fine.

 

[Werewolf13]

To answer the OP's question...

EXAMPLE: there are players who claim they can earn a billion or two credits in an hour or two of game play. Whuuuuuut??!!

As difficult as I find that claim is to believe - I do believe it. I can't do it - tried - failed.

Based on just my own experience it's not the ship - it's the man running it. Boils down to smarts, experience and guts.

Contrary to what the sheep would like everyone to believe we're not all equal. Some are smarter, some faster, some stronger, some way more clever (not the same as smart). Some more ambitious, some with more stick to it 'till I'm by GOD done and successful.

In short - yes my child some are better than others some not so much and some that are lucky they have the where with all to remember to breathe.

So yeah! To answer your question OP... It's all about the man and not the ship.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Jr. Moderator wannabees. Gotta love 'em. NOT!

Well that's a great presumption, but maybe I was trying to be helpful, as I said in my post, so you didn't get your thread locked or deleted.

Perhaps you should run a poll on whether polls are allowed, or whether you are being a bit unfair? I guess you presume I reported you?

I'm sure you're annoyed about this, but don't attack me for trying to help you out dude, it's pretty puerile.

 

[HRDiagram]

As I see it, the Python and the Anaconda are jacks of all trades: they can do a bit of everything decently, and they have their niches where they can shine, but they are not really superior to the other ships: they are possibly a great way for someone to be involved with several different activities without having to buy a new ship, but instead swap modules to reconfigure the overall purpose.

Personally, I have never owned an Anaconda, and will never own one, on none of my three accounts: aside from not liking it aesthetically, it does not really fit my play style. How do I know?
I have a Python, only one, which I have used as a reconfigurable ship, and never really enojoyed it. It's now stuck as my core miner, and I use it every now and again but I am not really fond of it.
I prefer dedicated ships, these days.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Horses for courses.
The Said Kruger's party trick is the Luxury cabin, if that's the way you want to go build around the concept and provide a ship that will fulfill your client's needs. Cold running, well shielded can carry a tonne or 2 of illicit cargo they suddenly decided they needed 'on the way' 20 Ly in the opposite direction.
I prefer a Dolphin for these jobs but if you think you're up to dealing with the whims of dozens of the blighters you go for it.
I built a T7 for the mass market though I rarely have the rep to deal with passengers so it gets used as a refugee ship, though it's soo to be replaced in that role by a T10 as refugees attract unwelcome company.

 

[Werewolf13]

Well that's a great presumption, but maybe I was trying to be helpful, as I said in my post, so you didn't get your thread locked or deleted.

Perhaps you should run a poll on whether polls are allowed, or whether you are being a bit unfair? I guess you presume I reported you?

I'm sure you're annoyed about this, but don't attack me for trying to help you out dude, it's pretty puerile.

Uhhhh.... I'm not the OP and it sounds like you believe I am.

At risk of coming across like a forum mod myself:

Maybe you were trying to help the OP, Bottom Hat. But the way you said it sure doesn't sound like it:

Polls aren't allowed buddy, so tread really carefully around this issue.

You ain't the OP's daddy and you ain't his boss and it isn't your place to order the OP around like you are. Perhaps a better approach would have been to say something like, "OP. Just in case yur new here - polls aren't allowed. You might consider being careful with how you deal with your issue going forward - just sayin'."

As for you reporting my post: Some would have reported me. May have already but I've read enough of your posts Bottom Hat to be pretty sure that you haven't. I like your style - mostly.

What I don't like is those who come across like moderators when they aren't. It's annoying, rude and insulting and all they deserve when they do it is to get it back in kind.

Let the mods be mods. They do a pretty good job here and are a fair bunch. I've been slapped down by them more than a few times in the 7 years I've been around and really only disagreed with one instance.

 

[Esteban]

My solution to this is a very simple one: Classify each ship and give a small bonus when doing missions with the same classification.

Cool! *
How much of a bonus do I get when I destroy that combat ship with my non-combat ship then? How complex does this need to become to placate everybody?

* No it's not, imo.

Often I am NOT out to earn credits, rather a host of other things that I WANT to get, to earn, or to do. I'm past earning credits. I just want to do what I want to do and have fun doing it the way I want.
Penalties for doing things by someone's idea of 'the right way' are not welcome. I'm out to have fun, not to play somebody else's game. I was of this mind from day one when I also needed credits. The game is fun when starting out, it must be, imo. If one doesn't find it to be fun then maybe this isn't the right game.

 

[Northpin]

Why would I grind Federation ranks to buy a Corvette if an Anaconda is virtually better at everything?

That's non-sense

A Corvette is a better combat ship than an Anaconda - better shielded, better internals.
In terms of weapons its debatable, but in terms of defense the Vette is way better

 

[CoyoteXStarrk]

I challenge your respondents too. I agree with Inhibited

But it is a nice insight. The anaconda has its place, you can surely see it is really popular with beginners (I still do not understand why)

Because it is the first "Big 3" ship that people get their hands on and having a big battle barge is just a fun way to play the game. Especially considering that the Conda is arguably the most versatile ship in the game. Good damage, good range, easy to get, and isn't locked behind a long rank grind like the Vette or Cutter.



And even for someone like me that has all 3 I still find myself going back to my Conda. I love my Vette don't get me wrong, but there is just something about the Conda that gives me the feels when I fly it.

 

[nemolomen]

Uhhhh.... I'm not the OP and it sounds like you believe I am.

At risk of coming across like a forum mod myself:

Maybe you were trying to help the OP, Bottom Hat. But the way you said it sure doesn't sound like it:


You ain't the OP's daddy and you ain't his boss and it isn't your place to order the OP around like you are. Perhaps a better approach would have been to say something like, "OP. Just in case yur new here - polls aren't allowed. You might consider being careful with how you deal with your issue going forward - just sayin'."

As for you reporting my post: Some would have reported me. May have already but I've read enough of your posts Bottom Hat to be pretty sure that you haven't. I like your style - mostly.

What I don't like is those who come across like moderators when they aren't. It's annoying, rude and insulting and all they deserve when they do it is to get it back in kind.

Let the mods be mods. They do a pretty good job here and are a fair bunch. I've been slapped down by them more than a few times in the 7 years I've been around and really only disagreed with one instance.

I think you may be reading WAY too much into Hats message. In my book it was short, to the point and without any snark. I see it as helpful. I had no clue either until I saw his message.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Uhhhh.... I'm not the OP and it sounds like you believe I am.

At risk of coming across like a forum mod myself:

Maybe you were trying to help the OP, Bottom Hat. But the way you said it sure doesn't sound like it:


You ain't the OP's daddy and you ain't his boss and it isn't your place to order the OP around like you are. Perhaps a better approach would have been to say something like, "OP. Just in case yur new here - polls aren't allowed. You might consider being careful with how you deal with your issue going forward - just sayin'."

As for you reporting my post: Some would have reported me. May have already but I've read enough of your posts Bottom Hat to be pretty sure that you haven't. I like your style - mostly.

What I don't like is those who come across like moderators when they aren't. It's annoying, rude and insulting and all they deserve when they do it is to get it back in kind.

Let the mods be mods. They do a pretty good job here and are a fair bunch. I've been slapped down by them more than a few times in the 7 years I've been around and really only disagreed with one instance.

Yes I did mistake you for the op, perhaps because of the tone of your comment.

But if you think I'm a wannabe mod, maybe you should check out what the mods make of me.

You have a lot of issues with my trying to be helpful, which says a lot about you and your ego really. If you interpret my comment in the way you do, then I think you have problems really.

So to be honest mate, perhaps it's best to put your anger back in its box - I was trying to be helpful, and your alternative version of my comment is the same, just more verbose.

To be fair, I don't have a problem with anyone on the forums here (apart from a couple of babies) so please don't just have a go at me for no fair reason - I don't want to fall out with you over interpretation of a post when we have discussed it at length.

I rarely say anything sensible (as you've implied you recognize), so let's not make something out of a misunderstanding, or something else - and let's be fair you had a go at me. The op liked my post for being helpful, so maybe I wasn't out of order, and just couldn't be bothered to write something longer. It's not like I was impolite, as you said dude.

So perhaps you have just misunderstood the tone of what I wrote? I don't normally care if people think I'm being stupid on here, but when I'm trying to help someone, it kinda annoys me as it's unwarranted. I can give you a stupid answer if you'd prefer?

Let's maybe dial this back eh? It's a bit much, and a bit unfair to say the least....

 

[Bottom Hat]

I think you may be reading WAY too much into Hats message. In my book it was short, to the point and without any snark. I see it as helpful. I had no clue either until I saw his message.

Thanks nemo, I was trying to work out what I said that was so wrong?!

I can try harder, but we all know where that leads!

 

[nemolomen]

Thanks nemo, I was trying to work out what I said that was so wrong?!

I can try harder, but we all know where that leads!

No need to thank me. I'm just being honest.

 

[Bottom Hat]

No need to thank me. I'm just being honest.

Well hopefully this helps, not that there is any hidden meaning to it.

 

[ubermick]

I don't own an Anaconda it's a horrible ship.

I own two of them. I'm not sure why.

Because it is indeed a horrible ship. (Great jump range tho)