Sorry Yamiks and all naysayers, but Odyssey is BETTER than Horizons

[Centaurus87]

Now that bugs have been fixed, and even if everything is not perfect yet, I can say it with some confidence. Some stuff dosen't work, yep, SRV still lags, yep, but IU is actually better once that you've figured it out, the game has more to offer, and perf-wise, well, it will get better (it already had) but if you haven't upgraded you PC since Horizons in 2015 and you expect to play Odyssey 60FPS in 2021, I mean, wake up... Also, myself I had a lot of reservations against the game at first, before realizing that actually what I had in mind existed, simply iI haden't noticed (like the toggle-switch in equipment IU to avoid selling your old equipment). The more I play it, the more I realize that most issues we had simply don't exist, but people (Latvia anyone?) don't want to plainly admit that.

You've missed the point of all the complaints. But if you think a half-, utterly bugged and totally unoptimized piece of is worth your money... then more power to you, man. But your whole argument has nothing to do with what the complaining has been about.

I would say "good try at the argument"... but that would be a lie....

 

[babelfisch]

Once the performance is fixed Odyssey is pretty much the best expansion the game has seen yet. But even then it's still missing VR support and terrain repetition is annoying. Is it worth the money though? Compared to the original Horizons release it offers more and better gameplay in my opinion. The big question is, what happens after Odyssey is (mostly) fixed? Will they add more content via free DLC? Like boarding derelict ships, ship interiors, thargoid FPS combat, new missions / ships / SRVs. If that happens the expansion could still become a success. If they abandon it like so many other features before people are probably not going to like it just because some bugs and performance is fixed. And if they had such plans it would probably be better to announce it now rather than later.

 

[Zieman]

The difference is that when Horizons arrived, it was a clear addition to the base game, I was happy to carry on in Horizons.
Now Odyssey breaks too many things that are central to my expreience in E: D, so I stay in Horizons and abhor the idea of Odyssey stuff eventually contaminating Horizons.

 

[Agema]

Don't you worry about a world where 'influencers' are a thing?

What I worry about is that in a world with unparalled access to information and the highest educational levels in history, so much of the information is rubbish and people are still so hopelessly inept at telling the good information from the bad.

 

[babelfisch]

The difference is that when Horizons arrived, it was a clear addition to the base game, I was happy to carry on in Horizons.
Now Odyssey breaks too many things that are central to my expreience in E: D, so I stay in Horizons and abhor the idea of Odyssey stuff eventually contaminating Horizons.

Performance, planetary generation and UI? Just curious, is there something else that gets broken by EDO?

 

[Craith]

Performance, planetary generation and UI? Just curious, is there something else that gets broken by EDO?

VR and cockpit cats the second part might not be actually true

 

[babelfisch]

VR and cockpit cats the second part might not be actually true

Cockpit cats is a problem, I agree. Horizons VR doesn't get broken by EDO, so it's not going to be 'contaminated'. Obviously I understand that a VR focused player isn't interested in EDO unless the VR experience improves.

 

[Topheron]

I'm an Achiever in this game. I like the 'ding' when I get something done. Trade Elite 'ding', Combat Elite 'ding', Explorer Elite 'ding'.

So I really like Hawkes videos on 'best start', and I like making money and acquiring resources.

Odyssey broke my gaming. I was trying to grind combat rank. In Odyssey, I would grind for a couple of hours, and look to find my progress. Because they have no percentages on the bars, all I could tell was... did I get two more pixels? I have to log in to Horizons to find out that I went from 53% to 57% tonight. Without that kind of feedback, the progress is quite a bit harder to maintain enthusiasm, to keep coming back to the game.

Odyssey broke trading in Horizons. You get a destination to sell your stuff, IN GAME, but the destination, because it's Odyssey, is not available to you. Broken, broken broken.

I like 100% full materials, so I restock raw... except Odyssey broke that. I have to log in to Horizons to do basic things that I do every week, because Odyssey broke my gameplay.

And don't get me started on bookmarks in Odyssey.

Instead of adding a nice grindy grindy side activity (space legs), poorly thought out interface changes, and other changes to game mechanincs create barriers to enjoyment.

Odyssey didn't improve my experience, it makes it harder to do the things that I enjoy. I constantly bump in to things that are borked... because of Odyssey.

Fix it, because it IS broken. I've cut my play from 20 hours a week to 2. Maybe I'll come back and play daily, but mostly I kinda feel as though I won't.

 

[Craith]

Cockpit cats is a problem, I agree. Horizons VR doesn't get broken by EDO, so it's not going to be 'contaminated'. Obviously I understand that a VR focused player isn't interested in EDO unless the VR experience improves.

VR is still worse off in EDO, even if you ignore the getting out on foot part, due to the bugs, mostly the invisible rocks (only to one eye, very uncomfortable). Other, long existing bugs are more jarring, like particles rendering relatively to the view and not the ship, causing the new sun "glow" to very visibly show its 2D flat nature, and the supersampling bug that causes distortions in volumetric fog for one eye if SS is below 1.0 - meaning you can't use the new upsampling to gain any performance.

I still prefer EDO to EDH, and play it in VR (except for 2 seconds pancake mode to scan a plant every now and then)

 

[ozrix84]

I see your title is enticing, yet the thought given to your text is incredibly limited.

Therefore, I give this a 3 of 10 on the Sunday trolling scale, and if I had the mad max "bait" meme to hand, I would post it.

I should mention though that you did get one of your three points for mentioning everyone's Latvian Marmite Man, as that is a surefire way to draw people into your thread set up purely to bait those wanting to have stupid arguments.

As yet I haven't clicked on you, but I imagine we might be lucky to find you are a new user to the forums, despite knowing how to start a stupid argument.



Grade:-
3/10. Must try harder to look less obvious when trying to start a forum hullabaloo. You nearly got an extra point for giving me the chance to use hullabaloo twice, but nuts to that.

The only one trolling here is you with your thinly veiled insults.

 

[babelfisch]

VR is still worse off in EDO, even if you ignore the getting out on foot part, due to the bugs, mostly the invisible rocks (only to one eye, very uncomfortable). Other, long existing bugs are more jarring, like particles rendering relatively to the view and not the ship, causing the new sun "glow" to very visibly show its 2D flat nature, and the supersampling bug that causes distortions in volumetric fog for one eye if SS is below 1.0 - meaning you can't use the new upsampling to gain any performance.

I still prefer EDO to EDH, and play it in VR (except for 2 seconds pancake mode to scan a plant every now and then)

Looks like I was wrong then!

I seriously hope they fix that stuff and improve the general VR experience in Odyssey. Not gameplay wise as Alyx for example but it should at least be enjoyable. I wouldn't be surprised if 25% of the Elite player base uses VR (does anyone have some numbers?) and ignoring them sounds like a pretty bad idea, even though I am not a VR player myself.

 

[hunvagy]

Once the performance is fixed Odyssey is pretty much the best expansion the game has seen yet. But even then it's still missing VR support and terrain repetition is annoying. Is it worth the money though? Compared to the original Horizons release it offers more and better gameplay in my opinion. The big question is, what happens after Odyssey is (mostly) fixed? Will they add more content via free DLC? Like boarding derelict ships, ship interiors, thargoid FPS combat, new missions / ships / SRVs. If that happens the expansion could still become a success. If they abandon it like so many other features before people are probably not going to like it just because some bugs and performance is fixed. And if they had such plans it would probably be better to announce it now rather than later.

I agree with you, yet people keep saying this is a framework (again), a basis (again). Unlike Horizons, this is it. EDO is not a season, there will be no additional features unveiled and added in the coming months. All the "improvement" can only come with the next paid DLC. If they had been any plans, it would have been unveiled, just like Horizons told us what timeframe it will cover, even if we didn't know exactly what new features are coming.

And currently, if I wasn't LEP, I probably would not give them my money for the next DLC. Because EDO for me personally is still a dumpster fire.

 

[Zieman]

Performance, planetary generation and UI? Just curious, is there something else that gets broken by EDO?

Galaxy Map & System Map being borked is enough for me.
Lighting, performance, planetary terrain - those I can live with, and they're bound to improve eventually.

 

[CMDR Von Abrahart]

A fixed Odyssey is gonna ROCK y’all

 

[Mr_Foxhound]

Here's a picture of Dave & Ian from when they were developing the original Elite. I bet you never knew Ian was French either

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he's not French his Egyptian

 

[babelfisch]

I agree with you, yet people keep saying this is a framework (again), a basis (again). Unlike Horizons, this is it. EDO is not a season, there will be no additional features unveiled and added in the coming months. All the "improvement" can only come with the next paid DLC. If they had been any plans, it would have been unveiled, just like Horizons told us what timeframe it will cover, even if we didn't know exactly what new features are coming.

And currently, if I wasn't LEP, I probably would not give them my money for the next DLC. Because EDO for me personally is still a dumpster fire.

I guess that derelict ships and ship interiors in general (if they ever come) would be something for a paid DLC. I am pretty sure there is more free EDO content coming and already in the pipeline though. First, both the base game and Horizons (as long as it was seperated) got plenty of free updates, not just the stuff that was originally part of the Season. The last major free updates was fleet carriers IIRC, so I don't see a reason why they shouldn't add to EDO content, especially if that means more people are going to buy it.

My prediction is that we will see the first free content update for EDO in a few months. That's going to be Thargoid FPS gameplay. The entire team isn't working on bug fixing, performance and the console port, some people like artists and gameplay designers are already working on the next thing. Obviously they can't talk about Thargoids since it would spoil the story, so that's why they don't share their future plans for Odyssey just yet. The other problem is that they (ideally) want to release the Thargoid update after the console launch, I can't guess how that is affected by the recent change in direction though.

It's just a guess, maybe it's more like 6 months to a year but I am pretty sure that Thargoids will be a free update to Odyssey. Some other stuff like the Panther Clipper, a new SRV, more weapons / suites wouldn't surprise me either.

 

[CapuchinSeven]

Threads like this show me time and time again that ED's real barrier is the player base.

It's the player base that say "yeah we're okay with 1999 style game play in 2021 with half arsed content that the developers will never go back to which will be left to sit and rot".

And that's not because they didn't have the base to build on, the galaxy sim was most certainly next gen and had never been done before or so well.

Just crazy to think of all that development time that's gone into things like multicrew and alike that could have gone into the BGS/PP and the core game. Say what you like about CCP and the style of gameplay in EVE Online (it's not without flaws, far far from it) but those peeps know how to create depth and know how to give their players the tools they need to dig at it.

 

[CMDR Von Abrahart]

I guess that derelict ships and ship interiors in general (if they ever come) would be something for a paid DLC. I am pretty sure there is more free EDO content coming and already in the pipeline though. First, both the base game and Horizons (as long as it was seperated) got plenty of free updates, not just the stuff that was originally part of the Season. The last major free updates was fleet carriers IIRC, so I don't see a reason why they shouldn't add to EDO content, especially if that means more people are going to buy it.

My prediction is that we will see the first free content update for EDO in a few months. That's going to be Thargoid FPS gameplay. The entire team isn't working on bug fixing, performance and the console port, some people like artists and gameplay designers are already working on the next thing. Obviously they can't talk about Thargoids since it would spoil the story, so that's why they don't share their future plans for Odyssey just yet. The other problem is that they (ideally) want to release the Thargoid update after the console launch, I can't guess how that is affected by the recent change in direction though.

It's just a guess, maybe it's more like 6 months to a year but I am pretty sure that Thargoids will be a free update to Odyssey. Some other stuff like the Panther Clipper, a new SRV, more weapons / suites wouldn't surprise me either.

Totally this

 

[Old Duck]

Maybe you don't care, but influencers are a real thing this days. Company cares about what they say. A lot more than a bunch of guys in a forum.

Watching these "influencers" play other games makes me want to play those games. It's not because they are hating on Elite, but rather because they are having SO MUCH FUN playing games like Star Citizen and No Man's Sky. I even own NMS on PS4, and I don't find it that exciting, but watching Drew play it for the first time with his childlike wonder, well that was almost enough to make me want to buy it again for my PC. I am also very much more likely to buy into Star Citizen someday (at cheapest price) thanks to watching people play it in awe and wonder. This definitely influences me way more than naysayers on a forum.

Don't you worry about a world where 'influencers' are a thing?

Actually, yes. I hate the control that certain influencers have over mobs of people. I see it on Twitter (which I eventually quit in protest), politics, Hollywood, sports, everywhere. Social media provides a resonating chamber which just focuses all this negativity into a laser that can burn innocent people and institutions, and it does indeed worry me.

But to my point above, I tend to be more influenced by positivity than negativity. Seeing someone who has earned my trust as an influencer (usually by being a generally nice person with educated opinions) falling in love with a new game causes me to also start to fall in love with that game, assuming it's the kind of game that I would fall in love with in the first place - no amount of gushing has caused me to become interested in Valheim, for example.

That's not to say that I have no free will of my own, but advertising works, otherwise it wouldn't be a multibillion dollar industry. However, I know the difference between truthful advertising (what trusted influencers provide) and "not so truthful" advertising like commercials for fast food and Elite Dangerous promotional trailers.

 

[jardail]

Now that bugs have been fixed, and even if everything is not perfect yet, I can say it with some confidence. Some stuff dosen't work, yep, SRV still lags, yep, but IU is actually better once that you've figured it out, the game has more to offer, and perf-wise, well, it will get better (it already had) but if you haven't upgraded you PC since Horizons in 2015 and you expect to play Odyssey 60FPS in 2021, I mean, wake up... Also, myself I had a lot of reservations against the game at first, before realizing that actually what I had in mind existed, simply iI haden't noticed (like the toggle-switch in equipment IU to avoid selling your old equipment). The more I play it, the more I realize that most issues we had simply don't exist, but people (Latvia anyone?) don't want to plainly admit that.

Tell that to those who can play horizons but not odyssey.