I’m seeing a lot of people wanting the sloth or tree boa for a Latin American exhibit animal. What about other famous animals, such as the Leafcutter Ant, Common Vampire Bat, or Pygmy Marmoset?
Actually I would like a leaf cutter ant, but instead of placing down an animal you put down a compete colony of them. I would love and Ant or Bee speciesI’m seeing a lot of people wanting the sloth or tree boa for a Latin American exhibit animal. What about other famous animals, such as the Leafcutter Ant, Common Vampire Bat, or Pygmy Marmoset?
This is the one thing that people keep missing when talking aquatic life unless they plan on adding the controversial like cetaceans the only other animals that dont need intensive water management are the manatees. The only open air fish exhibit I have ever heard of or seen have been koi ponds and thats it. In general zoos dont keep fish besides a small selection of freshwater fish unless they have a full dedicated aquarium alongside the zoo for the saltwater fish to be worth the pain of setting up the tanks.I agree in concept (I don't think they'd do it for just one animal either), but as for why they wouldn't do it for other marine life, what other marine life is generally kept in open air tanks aside from cetaceans (which Frontier will doubtlessly avoid for obvious reasons)? I mean, typically, outside their native ranges, fish, even large fish, are kept indoors with absolute control over tank chemistry unless conditions are ideal (like cichlids in a hippo pool - though even then I'm pretty sure the examples I've seen have been indoors anyway or in tropical countries). And yes, I know Frontier doesn't have to ensure everything is super realistic - clouded leopards typically aren't kept in open-air habitats either, after all - but in the case of fish it's less about the ability to escape as it is with climbing mammals or flying birds and more about literal survival, as for many species even minute changes to water chemistry and cause myriad health problems and even death.
marmoset would and should be a habitat animal. The leaf cutter ants simply wouldnt work in the current exhibit system since a big part of the charm of ants is numbers and marching both of which arent feasible in the current system. Vampire bat could happen but I doubt it people were very upset at the second bat in oceania and if south america got the third people would be outraged because there are so many other choices that almost everyone would feel better about than another bat.I’m seeing a lot of people wanting the sloth or tree boa for a Latin American exhibit animal. What about other famous animals, such as the Leafcutter Ant, Common Vampire Bat, or Pygmy Marmoset?
Hmmm, not too sure about that.marmoset would and should be a habitat animal.
Hmmm, not too sure about that.
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And I believe the one above is an adult, imagine the size of a baby.
But the marmoset also has to climb, and something as small as a finger (baby marmoset) using the climbing system, just sounds like it would be a complicated process.View attachment 378333
I dont see your point they would only be slghtly smaller than the meerkat which its not like frontier hasnt and wont alter the sizes of animals (american bison) to fit the game.
Also Im of the opinion of nothing should so in the exhibit boxes unless they have to unless the marmosets dont have to.
I would rather they didnt show up thenBut the marmoset also has to climb, and something as small as a finger (baby marmoset) using the climbing system, just sounds like it would be complicated process.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the WTE for tamarins and marmosets. So what if they're in a loop? Every animal is, technically. They all cycle through their specific set of animations. Run, sleep, eat, swim, interact with enrichment, rinse, repeat.I would rather they didnt show up then
I'd prefer the emerald tree boa, but this is nice, too. I'm not super fussed on what snakes show up since there aren't any in New Zealand anyway (so if I was to build an NZ zoo, they would be excluded for the sake of realism).By the way if we’re talking about exhibit animals for Latin America may I bring up one of my favourites, the eyelash viper.
I just despise the whole concept of exhibitsThere is absolutely nothing wrong with the WTE for tamarins and marmosets. So what if they're in a loop? Every animal is, technically. They all cycle through their specific set of animations. Run, sleep, eat, swim, interact with enrichment, rinse, repeat.
Well, they are an integral part of the game, so I guess too bad.I just despise the whole concept of exhibits
Whether people want it in a WTE or a habitat is all personal preference, but can we please stop saying that the climbing system doesn't work with smaller animals? It's demonstrably false.But the marmoset also has to climb, and something as small as a finger (baby marmoset) using the climbing system, just sounds like it would be a complicated process.
The bigger "problem" is probably that they would look a little out of place among the climbing structures in game since they generally look very oversized for such small animals.Whether people want it in a WTE or a habitat is all personal preference, but can we please stop saying that the climbing system doesn't work with smaller animals? It's demonstrably false.
The climbing system in itself is flawed for sure, nobody will ever deny that, but literally nothing about the animal being small would impact cause an issue. Tamarins and marmosets can perfectly work as habitat animals, they would climb just as well as any other climbing animal in this game.
Indeed, the majority of the climbing pieces are a bit large, but nothing that cannot be overcome and nothing that they haven't done in the past either.The bigger "problem" is probably that they would look a little out of place among the climbing structures in game since they generally look very oversized for such small animals.
Norhing that couldnt be fixed by new sets of climbable pieces ofc
Amazing pack ideas, but WHY DOES THE MANATEE ALWAYS GET A FREE PASS??!?I want to give a shot at what my predictions for the next year could be, assuming we get four new packs (which I don't expect to be completely honest) and also assuming we never get a flying bird pack. Despite that last part, I do think this year could be really important when it comes to getting cool habitat birds, as well as expanding South America and animals with new rigs and in general lacking similar species in the game. I also wanted to incorporate the 10 most voted species in the Meta Wishlist, giving some alterations when it comes to species in some cases to fit the pack's theme (Some of them have very similar counterparts that fit the pack while others can be a little bit of a bigger stretch). For my own demise or fortune I really love being creative with my predictions and I like imagining how Frontier might try to surprise us while at the same time delivering content we could enjoy, so I hope my packs give the same feeling. The animals with a little star next to their name are the headliners of the pack. These are the ideas I came up with:
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CARIBBEAN PACK (April 2024)
Discover the wonders the Caribbean Sea connects with species of both animals and plants coming from the coasts and rainforests of Central America as well as the diverse architectural variety found in the various islands and locations throughout this wonderful spot of the world. Forage for seaweed in the swamps and beaches with the unique and spectacular Antillean manatee (Trichechus manatus manatus) ★ while the wonderful American white pelicans (Pelecanus erythrorhynchos) soar the skies looking for a good fishing spot. Follow a group White-nosed coati (Nasua narica) as they make way through the jungle to observe the athletic Black-handed spider monkeys (Ateles geoffroyi) use every limb at their disposal to navigate the dense canopy. If the pace of the monkeys is too fast for you, hang around with the Hoffman's two-toed sloth (Choloepus hoffmanni) and take a nap in the nice Caribbean sunset.
(The manatee is currently 9th in the meta wishlist, but I guess it can be deemed as too "unrealistic" to be added into the game. I disagree with this and see it as the most doable "fully" aquatic animal for PZ, but I understand the concerns that might arise with this. As substitutes for the manatee in case it is too out there, I'd put the Cuban hutia and Cuban crocodile, two animals I originally wanted to add to this pack but I later realized that there are more essential species that could fit their spots, but I wanted island endemics to have their spot in here as well. The white-nosed coati is here to take the spot of his South American cousin, currently in the second spot in the meta wishlist. The black howler monkey is currently in the 5th spot on the list, I'm pretty sure it's this up high because we just want a neotropical monkey and it's the most common option for it, so the spider monkey is taking its place. If you need a howler though, you could substitute it with the Venezuelan red howler, of which the range does get to the Caribbean Sea. The pelican is here because I can safely say we ALL want a pelican, I'd personally prefer the Great white pelican but I wouldn't complain for the species at this point of the game. The sloth would be a WE animal and a second chance to "fix" the sloth, coming with less-themed climbing frames and structures similar to what the flying foxes and fruit bats have instead of the monstrosity the three-toed sloth comes with.)
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ENDANGERED ANIMAL PACK (June 2024)
Travel the world and discover eight new species and the dangers they face on their natural habitats, and help save them by bringing them in and breeding them at your zoo! Discover the amazing comeback of the Golden lion tamarin (Leontopithecus rosalia) ★ made to the forests of Brazil, go back to the Caribbean island of La Española to meet the incredible Hispaniolan rhinoceros iguana (Cyclura cornuta cornuta) or travel to Papua New Guinea to meet face to face with the adorable Goodfellow’s tree kangaroo (Dendrolagus goodfellowi buergersi) munching on the leaves of the rainforest canopy. Start rewilding the (for now) extinct in the wild Pere David's deer (Elaphurus davidianus) to the wetlands of China and discover a facet of Africa you have rarely looked into; going from the mighty Secretary bird (Secretary bird) hunting in the savannah, the rarely known Giant east Usambara blade-horned chameleon (Kinyongia matschiei) looking for insects in the afrotemperate forests, look for fish with the iconic Shoebill (Balaeniceps rex) in the wetlands of Uganda and finish off in the Malagasy spiny forest as you leap with the Coquerel's sifaka (Propithecus coquereli).
(This pack has four animals in the top 10 in the meta wishlist, those being the secretary at number 1, tree kangaroo at number 4, tamarin at number 8, and the shoebill at number 10. The deer is here because it's a very iconic extinct-in-the-wild species and, in my opinion, an amazing species to have in a zoo game. I was also toying with the idea of putting the Nene goose instead of the shoebill because of its conservation story, but I ended up going with the shoebill because I'll be adding an Anseriformes in the last pack. I picked the rhinoceros iguana to get a proper iguana rig in habitat animals making it a unique reptile for the game, being a cool one at that, but I'd also love to get a Radiated tortoise since medium-sized and smaller tortoises are also very needed in the game. The chameleon is there because it's easily the most wanted reptile for the terrarium boxes out there, but I couldn't find any specific chameleon in particular that was both common in zoos and endangered, this species only housed in a single zoo. A good substitute I thought of as well is the Titicaca water frog, which similar to the axolotl brings a new fully underwater species to the game.)
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MOUNTAINS PACK (September 2024)
What a hike! Go from peak to peak spending the nights in cozy refuges in different mountains of our world, discovering brand new animals and plants in your entire expedition. Start in the Swiss Alps as the Alpine marmots (Marmota marmota marmota) ★ say good morning with their iconic vocalizations, make your way to the Andean cloud forest and try to spot the unique Spectacled bear (Tremarctos ornatus), reach the Ethiopian Plateau to study the behavior of Gelada (Theropithecus gelada) troops, attempt to scale the all-mighty K2 in the company of a herd of Tajik markhor (Capra falconeri heptneri) and finish off in the impressive Hunan cliffs of China to cross paths with the Mangshan pitviper (Protobothrops mangshanensis).
(This is just a guilty pleasure of mine, I want a Mountains pack ahahah. The only animal substituting anything in the meta wishlist is the gelada instead of the Hamadryas baboon, which are both baboons that fulfill different niches. I want both species in the game but I want the gelada a tad bit more. The markhor and bear are requested animals, but in the case of the latter one I wouldn't mind swapping it out for some other species, but with the lack of birds or South American animals in this pack I decided to go with the bear. Although we could get a Himalayan monal, Pallas cat, Western capercaillie,... The pitviper can also be swapped for anything else, but I do think it's a rather beautiful species. If Chinese giant salamanders were doable I'd be very happy with them too.)
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ANNIVERSARY ANIMAL (November 2024)
I think of three animals that can fit this category, three of which I'd very happy with. First of all (and most unlikely) we have the Ocellated turkey (Meleagris ocellata), a South American bird! As I said, this species I'd expect the least, they could work with the peafowl rig for a very good result but there are easier picks. Between those easier inclusions, I would love to get a Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra) or Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis), being both great anniversary species.
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NORTHERN ANIMAL PACK (December 2024)
Brrrr... Getting cold up here! Explore the taigas, tundras and coasts of Eurasia and North America with eight new animals coming from all nooks and crannies of said regions. Sail the seas next to a group of Alaskan sea otters (Enhydra lutris kenyoni) ★ as they collect and feed off shellfish on their bellies and while the enormous Pacific walruses (Odobenus rosmarus divergens) search for their favorite mollusks in the depths of the sea. Not far from the beach a flock of King eiders (Somateria spectabilis) surf the waves looking at a herd of Greenland muskoxen (Ovibos moschatus wardi) get on their defense position when danger is sensed. The musk oxen aren't alone, since the vigilante Mountain hare (Lepus timidus) is feeding off the same grasses the large caprids also eat, while not far from where these two species cohabit the adorable Siberian flying squirrels (Pteromys volans volans) pop out their heads from their tree cavities. As the night falls and the squirrels start gliding from tree to tree, the spiky North American porcupine (Erethizon dorsatum) decides to take a stroll through the forest, crossing paths with the fanged Siberian musk deer (Moschus moschiferus), secretive inhabitant of the taiga.
(The walrus is currently third on the meta wishlist, and the musk ox is sixth. The pack adds some very welcomed concepts in the community, such as a lagomorph rig with the mountain hare as well as a duck with the eider (despite now having the swan this may have decreased). The porcupine and musk deer are very good animals that seem like perfect oddball picks for Frontier to add in, with a new and pretty unique way of movement when it comes to the porcupine, a nice replacement could be the Northern yellow-throated marten. I was debating on adding the Rocky Mountain goat instead of the musk deer, but with the markhor and musk ox this would have felt like a too-caprid heavy pack (something I'd love), but I still think it would be an amazing inclusion. I ended up adding the musk deer because of the increasing interest in fanged ungulates, it's to Reeves muntjac (I really want Reeves muntjac) but it also adds a cool species. I followed the same pattern as for this year with the WE, with one unique and one "reskin" addition (the sloth and flying fox) and I feel like the unique WE animal being a flying squirrel really would end the year on a nice note.)
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The species I miss the most out of these lists are a stork and small ungulates, but I feel like it could be an amazing DLC year if we got these. Feel free to give your opinions, would love to hear what you guys think![]()
It's coolAmazing pack ideas, but WHY DOES THE MANATEE ALWAYS GET A FREE PASS??!?
Coati, monkey, pelican and manatee in one pack?CARIBBEAN PACK (April 2024)