It feels weird that we have 3 options for gazelles, 2 options for camels and wildebeest, but we only have 1 option for flamingos, which are a lot more popular and common than the animals I listed before.
Spring 2024 DLC Speculation
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Well add to that other highly iconic zoo animals like Zebras and Giraffes that also have only one option. It would be great if we could get a second option on all three of these (but especially the Giraffe, easily a top 10 most iconic and recognized zoo animal.
I definitely agree with the giraffe even though it is one of the better models of the base game, it deserves a second subspecies like Masai. Zebra I have doubts because they aren’t even a colour change it is very very subtle differences between species.
In essence i agree, more options should be always good. But the difference is that there are also multiple horses, deer, a bunch of antelopes and pretty much every group. Whereas birds are so few and far between that getting more options for certain ones instead of ones who are entirely missing will always be the wrong choice in my eyes
Yet some people don't want a second giraffe -which is fine for them, it's their opinion - but I don't understand the logic to be honest. It would literally be just a second giraffe. That visually is super unique from any other animals in the game. yet we have over a dozen antelopes, 2 tigers, 2 Elephants, 3 Asian Black Bears, 2 wolves, and 3 rhinos. I guess it's looked at as literally sharing the same role in biome and locale as a Reticulated Giraffe, but c'mon. It's a super iconic zoo animal, and most of us who do want them are not too interested in a third giraffe, at least from comments I've seen in discussion.
@Marvinb I understand what you're saying and you know I very much want birds in the game too. I don't see too many needs for animals to be added that are similar to ones in game, but the Giraffe has always been an exception for me. It's iconic, like, super iconic.
I feel like it's a bit disingenuous to compare giraffes to antelopes as a whole. There's a lot more variety in antelopes than giraffes. Same thing for the "asian black bears" which are all very distinct species, and which would be used in different geographical areas in a zoo (India, Eastern Asia, South-East Asia). Really, the only point of comparison are the arctic/timber wolf, the black/blue wildebeest and the black/white rhino - and I think you'll find that people who do not want a second giraffe would rather have only one of those species, too - at least it is the case for me.
I feel like a second giraffe would take up a place which could be given to another animal which would not be represented at all in the game. I'd rather have another antelope than a second giraffe, because I've been to numerous zoos which had like 10 species of Antelope, and I've never been to a zoo which had two (sub)species of giraffe. Really, a giraffe clone would be very similar visually, in biome, and in geographical representation... I don't think it would bring anything to the game.
In the arid pack I honestly wish we got the Masai giraffe instead of the addax. After some time ive grown to like the gazelle more than the addax.
But it’s not always about how many giraffes or gazelles or whatever type of animal you can have in a zoo, but it gives variety and choice to the player. Most zoos don’t have more than one species of giraffe, but some zoos have different species of giraffe.
I agree to a degree with the point of it taking an antelope species spot that may be more unique. True there are some ungulates of Africa that are unique and would add more to the game like a Gerenuk or kirks dik dik, but when comparing a second giraffe to something like an eland or another regular size antelope (Impala, sitatunga, etc) i think the giraffe adds more.
These are fair points. Some of my examples were a bit extreme to compare. Still, I'd love to get a second giraffe. Some people don't, and that's fine too. We may, or we may not, get a second giraffe.
It would honestly not surprise me at all if Frontier already had rosters set for the 2024 pack(s). Even if we get four packs next year, I still bet they've got it all planned out, with potential to switch out some if need be.
@CharlieXGaming, sorry, I can't add a quote when editing, but....this is very much what I agree with here. - "But it’s not always about how many giraffes or gazelles or whatever type of animal you can have in a zoo, but it gives variety and choice to the player. Most zoos don’t have more than one species of giraffe, but some zoos have different species of giraffe".
Like you say, I wouldn't personally even want 2 species of giraffes in one game. I don't even do that with Rhinos, Tigers or Elephants, it would be no different with Giraffes
Every single time we plan to add a giraffe in the game, we have no choice but to go with the Reticulated Giraffe. Thus, all our zoos giraffe sections are very much the same between all of the zoos. For such an iconic zoo animal there should be a choice we can make, even if it's just between two options that would be enough for me (and most). It's similar to wanting a second Lion but I realize there's even more Taxonomic issues with the various Lions to add.
When considering the top tier iconic animals, to me there always be at least a second option, where possible, even if it's a subspecies or separately named population. While what's considered top tier may vary, to me it's broken down like this: Tigers, Elephants, Chimpanzees, Hippos, and Rhinos have at least 2 options. Zebras, Lions, Giraffes and Gorillas do not, and I'd be happy with a second of any of those. The only animal I consider top tier that doesn't have a second option IRL is the Giant Panda, so of course, we're going to just have the one option there.
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The real issue is: a second Giraffe or Zebra would have to come in a Safari pack.
And for a Safari pack there wayyyyy more interesting options.
Of course I would like to have a second Giraffe or Zebra but not at the cost of other more unique unglutes/antilopes like the Common Eland, Greater Kudu, Kirks Dik Dik, Gerenuk or Impala.
And for a Safari pack there wayyyyy more interesting options.
Of course I would like to have a second Giraffe or Zebra but not at the cost of other more unique unglutes/antilopes like the Common Eland, Greater Kudu, Kirks Dik Dik, Gerenuk or Impala.
Fair point to this as well and a point many agree with. personally, still would rather have a second giraffe than any of those.
...Not that that's saying much. I've made my stance on more African Antelopes pretty clear.
What do we think about this take on an Endangered Animal Pack?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/how-would-i-do-the-next-5-packs.620304/post-10291713
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/how-would-i-do-the-next-5-packs.620304/post-10291713
I'd definitely buy it. Mentioning Agouti brings back unpleasant memories of the 2013 Zoo Tycoon game with it's literally dozens of species/subspecies of them in the game, but it would be new for PZ. And whatever species it would be would represent Latin America, so that's a plus as well. You also have two very highly requested animals on there with the Secretary Bird and Golden Lion Tamarin, so that checks off that factor. I'd almost want to replace the Sea Lion with a Tree Kangaroo, but...I see the Secretary Bird and GLT would require a good bit of work, as well as the Sea Otter, so it would probably be too much to ask for the Tree Kangaroo. Sea Lion, Ethiopian Wolf and Pere David's Deer would be the simpler clones/near clones that would be necessary for a pack to balance out the work effort. So all in all, a realistic and well rounded pack, good job!
It would bring choice! Even though one zoo doesn't usually have more than one type of giraffe. However, zoos don't all as a whole have only reticulated giraffes. It's kind of lame that every single zoo we build (that we can share on the forums) HAS to have the same exact giraffe... When in reality zoos don't always have reticulated giraffes. I don't care what the second giraffe would be although I think Masai would be a good choice.
Franklin Park has two types of Zebras, Hartman’s Mountain and Grevey’s
I wouldn't... I'd be fine with Ethiopian Wolf. It's not an iconic jackal or beloved Bat-eared Fox, but its ok.
I want to say DIsney Animal Kingdom has both Masai and Reticulated Giraffes!
Yeah, it seems like they have Reticulated at the hotel and Masai in the park