Well Australia is an island since the last time I checked a map
Spring dlc Speculation 2023
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Yeah, but going by that logic, everything is an island... there needs to be a certain limit and that limit is presumably "any island that isn't a continent."
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To be more clear, in the uk we are taught Australia is a country in the oceania continent. I guess more modern takes make Australia its own continent
Also an excerpt from national geographic " Oceania is a region made up of thousands of islands throughout the Central and South Pacific Ocean. It includes Australia..."
Hmm... yeah, it's been years since I was a school kid, but I always recall it just being Australia as the continent... plus, if that were the case, why did we get the Australia pack and not the Oceania pack?
I'm not in the mood to debate whatever Australia is called really, my pack is an idea of what kind of animals could be in an island pack not a solid rule.
I may have gone a little off track, I'm a little too tired right now for a working brain. I'll return tomorrow so I can think properly
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I don't need to debate it either... I just found it weird and a bit inconsistent.
By most modern standards Oceania is a continent. Anyhow, if you include australia as an island than yeaj, your candidate list gets much bigger. Still I think the Oceania 3 + the Fossa are kind of a must for an island pack, with everything else being a nice bonus.
Would buy this in an instant
Here's my take again on Island Pack
* - for scenery pack
*Tasmanian Devil - currently top ranked of meta wishlist.
Japanese Serow - oddball but low key requested by old time zoo gamers.
Sumatran Tiger - a popular carnivoran, also kept in Shepreth Wildlife Park, the recent collaborator.
*Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo - another popular choice for island fauna.
Lowland Anoa - a second ungulate, possible candidate for mixed exhibit with babirusas.
*North Island Brown Kiwi - bird addition, highly popular among community.
*Fossa - technically a third carnivore, but not impossible as with SEA animal pack. Will need proper update on climbing for all.
* Parson's Chameleon (exhibit) - a long awaited chameleon for your zoo!
*Island themed building pieces - Polynesian styled architecture
Possible free updates:
*Hotel - I mean really do you just go visit an island and return home within a day?? You gotta stay overnight!!!
Expanded variety for holdable species in animal talks - boa constrictor and anaconda included holding on shoulders/ wrapped around neck.
Any more thoughts please
* - for scenery pack
*Tasmanian Devil - currently top ranked of meta wishlist.
Japanese Serow - oddball but low key requested by old time zoo gamers.
Sumatran Tiger - a popular carnivoran, also kept in Shepreth Wildlife Park, the recent collaborator.
*Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo - another popular choice for island fauna.
Lowland Anoa - a second ungulate, possible candidate for mixed exhibit with babirusas.
*North Island Brown Kiwi - bird addition, highly popular among community.
*Fossa - technically a third carnivore, but not impossible as with SEA animal pack. Will need proper update on climbing for all.
* Parson's Chameleon (exhibit) - a long awaited chameleon for your zoo!
*Island themed building pieces - Polynesian styled architecture
Possible free updates:
*Hotel - I mean really do you just go visit an island and return home within a day?? You gotta stay overnight!!!
Expanded variety for holdable species in animal talks - boa constrictor and anaconda included holding on shoulders/ wrapped around neck.
Any more thoughts please
Old time zoo gamers? Do mean because Zoo Tycoon had them? FYI, they were horribly represented in that game... the real Japanese Serow looks nothing like that.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. Muskox or walrus are totally suitable for an islands pack since their range is mostly around Arctic Islands even if they are also present in mainland.
Especially if we get an island animal pack, I don't have any problem if they mix some animals that are 100% endemic to an island with others that are iconic from certain Islands even if they are also found somewhere else, like the Caribbean flamingo.
Actually, this year frontier has been trying to cover as many regions as possible with each new pack, so I think if there's an island pack it will try to reflect all the different kind of islands: tropical islands from Africa, Caribbean, Oceania and Asia; temperate islands from Oceania, and tundra islands from Northern hemisphere.
Four of the same thing? Yuck! Although I do agree we could use a few more goats... the Markhor in particular... perfect for an Alpine pack.
Actually, Alpine would be a good choice for a scenery pack if you ask me... mostly because I'd hope they'd include a genuine gondola ride.
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Kinda funny how people still act like animals must conform exclusively to a pack's theme... I mean, we just got a grassland pack where half the animals had people going "those are desert animals!"
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I hear ya but I like anything at this point
On the subject of birds, I really do think that bats and butterflies are leading us in that direction.
That isn’t to say a bird pack is coming, nor that Andean condors and snowy owls (for example) will share the same mechanism as humming birds and budgies (for example) but I could easily imagine the next WE being a lorikeet aviary or similar.
All you need is a keeper access point. This could be done within the current system with a small strip of land to facilitate a habitat gate. The rest of the habitat would consist of water with viewing panels to the rear.
Of course this would need to be on a slope with higher ground to the rear. I imagine manatees would be introduced with some kind of purely aquatic habitat option but I don’t see it as being especially complicated to implement.
That isn’t to say a bird pack is coming, nor that Andean condors and snowy owls (for example) will share the same mechanism as humming birds and budgies (for example) but I could easily imagine the next WE being a lorikeet aviary or similar.
I think a manatee is more likely as part of a dedicated marine or coastal pack but I would argue it could be introduced tomorrow without a complex new habitat system.
All you need is a keeper access point. This could be done within the current system with a small strip of land to facilitate a habitat gate. The rest of the habitat would consist of water with viewing panels to the rear.
Of course this would need to be on a slope with higher ground to the rear. I imagine manatees would be introduced with some kind of purely aquatic habitat option but I don’t see it as being especially complicated to implement.
You think like a zoo designer, not like a programmer. There's a big big problem with fully aquatics I call "Watergate".
First, you need a spawn point for the animals. In the current habitats this is provided by the gate. The gate is, from a programming view, the habitat. It provides several things, first and foremost a spawnpoint.
The spawnpoint is a flat "safe" patch of land which is created by the gate, where the game is assured all animal models can generated without any bugs. An animal is tied to the gate by which it wss generated. It also allows the animals to teleport to the safe point when encoutering navigation issues.
So fully aquatic animals would need a similar spawn point. Let's call it the Watergate. And here the main problem comes. The water system in the game, unlike, say, in zoo tycoon, works by generating a water volume in a preset structure determined by walls and terrain. After the water is generated, it locks all terrain, fences, and paths near it. This is a very very basic aspect of the engine, not one that can be changed.
So for Watergate to work properly, one of two things need to happen: Either you are able to add a Watergate to an existing body of water, which is a problem because a placed water body locks everything around it, so you can't ensure a valid spawn point.
Or, the Watergate creates a body of water, like the normal gate creates a strip of land, which ensures a spawn point, but then the water would be uneditable.
So the way to solve it is easy in theory, just introduce a new type of fence like in ZT2 that automatically fills with water when completed, and to which the Watergate can connect, thus solving all aforementioned problems. But, this would be akin to introducing a new type of habitat, with different basic mechanics from the habitat fences we use now. So doable, but definitely not easy.
If we get a mountains pack with out this, what are we even doing?
I will personally send a strongly-worded letter to Frontier.