To be honest I think SC is the most successful sit-com drama in history that might also become a game of some sort. Imagine if Neighbours morphed into a space sim after fifteen years?
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That works too.
I was thinking more like, the frog wasn't even part of the race but not even half-way over the unrelated river, the scorpion — contrary to its best interest and in spite of knowing what will happen — cannot resist its impulse to keep poking the frog at the most inopportune moments. It's only a matter of time before the already apparent paralysis spreads and becomes fatal.
e: Also, the scorpion absolves himself from all of that.
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Frog & Scorpion allegory works with CR as the scorpion and backers as the frog.
The scorpion (CR) asks the frog (backers) to carry it across the river (Star Citizen project) as it cannot swim. Frog is suspicious of the scorpion "won't you take the funding and buy a house?", but the scorpion says "No, I would not do that to you, I need to cross the river", so the frog agrees and funds the scorpion. Half way (7 years) across the river (Star Citizen project) the Scorpion (Chris) stings the frog (backers) and it starts to die. The frog asks "Why did you sting me?", and the Scorpion replies "That's what I do, I'm a scorpion, I can't change my nature
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The scorpion (CR) asks the frog (backers) to carry it across the river (Star Citizen project) as it cannot swim. Frog is suspicious of the scorpion "won't you take the funding and buy a house?", but the scorpion says "No, I would not do that to you, I need to cross the river", so the frog agrees and funds the scorpion. Half way (7 years) across the river (Star Citizen project) the Scorpion (Chris) stings the frog (backers) and it starts to die. The frog asks "Why did you sting me?", and the Scorpion replies "That's what I do, I'm a scorpion, I can't change my nature
"there actually more less known indie titles that are good, some already know about infinity battlescape, here are some other lesser known ones...
heck, 6 years ago there was even a wing commander clone game.
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It certainly isnt CIG marketing when all you need is having a look around to notice alternatives. Released and finished alternatives.
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For those just wanting a privateer fix I can heartily reccomend rebel galaxy outlaw.
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well I refuse to partake in Epic Games Store shenanigans... especially when it's involving a crowdfunding project or game series where previous installment was sold on steam. However at this point, I still have more respect for Epic Games than Ci-G.For those just wanting a privateer fix I can heartily reccomend rebel galaxy outlaw.
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This is the best post in the thread, so many games to check out now.
Too many current space games are way too fucussed on combat or base/ship building...or corporate empire building like X4. Not enough of them are Jumpgate. Rose coloured glasses perhaps looking back...but boy, I loved that game.
I suppose why, at the end of the day, I play stuff like everspace for a little while and then gravitate back to Elite.
It's a catch though, make a space sim/space game less about combat and the niche market is pleased while everyone else complains about how difficult/boring/slow it is. At the end of the day, a company has to make money to keep making games. Sure, I want to play stuff like RymdResa, Elite, Sunless Skies, Noctis instead of just blast through endless waves of ships... but how many people know what RymdResa or Noctis is let alone would pay for them?
There's a few ways to try and handle this:
-- Just release what people want (the combat/buildy type games) and make money. (Most Space Games)
-- Release the vision and hope the niche market can keep you afloat or help bring in customers that otherwise wouldn't look your way via organic marketing. (NMS)
-- Release the vision but ensure operating costs are low enough to meet realistic expectations of how much product you expect to really move. (Indie stuff)
-- SC route of promise everything to everyone, pulling conflicting communities into the same space in what will undoubtedly result in utter uncontrollable griefing chaos.
here's more...
now imagine if all those games developments got some portion of the money that CI-G claimed to get (and wasted).
your choice.......... It is coming to steam in August this year.
Personally I have no loyalty to any store front and just want good value games (and where the developers still get a cut, so i dont use G2A etc)
Valve are no angels and are the ones who 1st introduced the notion of forcing players to install extra DRM bloat - even in retail games..... it is easy to play the "exclusives are bad card" that Valve try to play when you know 90% of people will buy from steam regardless - hell people even choose steam over DRM free from GOG where you actually get to own the game properly... but I digress and that is another topic for another thread.
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Whether calculated or not, I'd imagine that history will simply repeat itself.
Chris will be moved to acting as consultant if/when more corporate money comes in. The fans will triumph this as part of the plan, and a master-stroke as he'll be freed up from the mundane to focus on delivering the magic. He'll be trotted out for a video handing over to the new team, and then after some months stuck in a broom cupboard at home he'll quietly leave to take up 'exciting new projects'. The fans will explain that this is good as he had done his job in getting all the vision and pipelines set up and ready to flow, and anything good that comes subsequently will be due to this, and all of the very many abandoned/quietly forgotten stretch goals will be the fault of the new team.
The new team will make a few seismic changes, ditch a lot of 'fidels' to finally deliver something that is actually deliverable, but one that (of course) never comes within a mile of the fully imagineered SC/SQ42 that the fans had anticipated.
Actually. I'm not so sure that any corporate is going to step in as, unless they continue selling jpegs and increasing technical debt, I'm not sure where their 'Return on Investment' is going to come from. So there may have to be a corporate 'default' at the point of transition annulling any liabilities for the new company.
In summary, erm, I dunno. I am still really hopeful something gets finished*, in as much as a stable and relatively playable game. I'm not expecting SC to be better or worse than ED or NMS, just different in its own way, and so fun.
A final thought is that I'll consider SC 'finished' when it can be purchased through channels such as Steam or GoG.
I honestly hoped that SC would follow the Jumpgate model, and the very early backer goals were just that, before the feature explosion... And yeah still failing to find a proper replacement for that one.
I liked the Vangelis'ish music on Earth analogue. As you say, imagine the games had the money gone to companies who <hmm best I say nothing more>.
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That one is best looking to me as well.
But I'm just tired that this genre cannot pump out a single properly finished game.
At this moment I just wish there was a simple, but rewarding exploration/survival game built upon Space Engine.
Sums up my feelings perfectly - it's just a shame I can only +1 you once.
You've describe the my true dream. Someone buy the engine and build a game with it.
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