Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[amigacooke]

Again, technically, it is released. You can buy it, you pay for the product and you get a product (albeit "unifinished") in return!

I don't use 'technical' releases, I'm not bought off that easily.

I'm grateful to those who are prepared to throw in way more than the $35 I put in in 2012 to try to ensure that something resembling a game slides into existence at some point.

Actually it's an alpha release.

 

[GuruNot]

Citizens never cease to amaze me. There was us discussing the other day how the funding tracker had just made it to $400 million:

I bet Chris gets his Christmas bonus again.

 

[Viajero]

Not a unique phenomenon to Star Citizen either of course. Why he choses to mention Star Citizen as the particular arbitor of his sloth and additictive tendencies I find touching...as I'm sure the refund sub did too... but having spent 5,500 hours in ED with probably a similar amount of time in SC... and still managing a healthy and varied lifestyle, I'd suggest the problem is purely of his own making rather than conveniently apportioning blame to a particular video game

To be frank, I find this "all games are equal" line of argument tiring and a tad disingenuous. Not particularly aimed at you Mole, I see it often in many SC fans.

SC is indeed special and different than many other "particular" video games.

The mere fact of it being based on a wildly predatory business model via monetization of pretty much every tiny aspect of gameplay coupled with the fact of not having released a single product in 9+ years makes it extremely different. As you can imagine this kind of commercial structure has many more chances to lead certain individuals to a situation where their deep financial commitment is paired with the fact there is no product yet to justify that investment, unlike Elite, No Mans Sky, or any other released game out there. This in turn pushes those individuals to a faith (literally) based narrative that has no bounds in order to defend that investment, else risk to look really, really silly.

Other game player´s "investments" and opinions, such as Elite, are quickly put in their right place thanks to press reviews, scores, concurrency information and actual sales and financial info from the developer etc. Narratives based on faith, like SC´s, on the other hand have no constraints or limits and therefore can lead to extremely toxic arguments.

The extreme sunk cost fallacy, both financial and emotional, is very different and real in SC compared to many games out there. And has led in many cases, like this one, to very extreme behaviours that you do not see as frequently in other released games with more classic financial models. Not saying other games do not have their "radicals", they do indeed, but the level of aggression and toxicity in SC is indeed special.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Please discard the "When" questions being asked during Ship Q&A's - Star Citizen Spectrum

It seems every new Ship Q&A that comes along brings new people wanting to ask "When is this ship going into production?"; the answer is always some variation of "Watch the Roadmap to see when ships...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Don't ask when a ship that is being sold will be released! Its a "useless" question!

Amazing, i'd suggest its the most important question considering this is CIG. Just ask any BMM or Idris owner.

Anyone Else Feel Like the Odyssey Is A Slap In The Face to All Carrak and Endeavor Owners? - Star Citizen Spectrum

So after sales of their "premiere" exploration vessel, have started to dry up and before the Carrak is even fully finished, CIG announces a "whole new" and "even better" premiere exploration...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Plus, the Carrack offers twice the sensor capability (2×L vs. 1×L), so it's definitely the better Explorer.

Odyssey hands down the best explorer - Star Citizen Spectrum

Really beautiful ship and truly the one I hoped the Carrack would end up becoming, but alas... What is the sale pitch for even bothering about going for carrack? Odyssey - has Capital components,...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Love how they are talking about which is the best explorer when no exploration mechanics are actually implemented.

 

[Mole HD]

To ba frank Mole, I find this "all games are equal" line of argument tiring and a tad disingenuous. SC is indeed special and different than many other "particular" video games.

The mere fact of it being based on a wildly predatory business model via monetization of pretty much every tiny aspect of gameplay while not having released a single product in 9+ years makes it extremely different. As you can imagine this kind of commercial structure has many more chances to push certain individuals to a situation where their deep financial commitment is paired with the fact there is no product yet to justify that investment, unlike Elite, No Mans Sky, or any other game out there. this in turn pushes those individuals to a faith (literally) based narrative to defend that investment else make them look really silly.

The sunk cost fallacy, both financial and emotional, is very real in SC. And has led in many cases, like this one, to very extreme behaviours you do not see as frequently in other released games with more classic financial models. Not saying other games do not have their "radicals" but the level of aggression and toxicity in SC is indeed special.

I didn't even suggest it...you did...nor am I arguing your points since you wandered off onto a topic far from relevant to anything I typed into the post you quoted

 

[thistle]

I'm looking forward to Drew pitching Chris lore....

lol

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Citizens never cease to amaze me. There was us discussing the other day how the funding tracker had just made it to $400 million:

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I bet Chris gets his Christmas bonus again.

Its the old conundrum.

Its hard to believe people are still willing and able to keep pouring money into this buggy alpha. It does make one suspect they are somehow counting store trades/CCUs/melting. As we see from Mole, there can be a lot of that sort of activity around the release of a new ship where people aren't actually putting more money in.

But, if they were counting those, then it probably would mean CIG would already be bankrupt, would have gone bankrupt years ago, even with the Calder investment.

I think many of us here would love to know exactly how that funding tracker works and see exactly where the funding is coming from.

 

[thistle]

To add to the last melting madness...if I melt the standalone Hull D and the spare Raft I didn't really want in the first place for store credit...CCU my redeemer to an Odyssey...then CCU my MSR to another Hull D I'd still have enough store credit to get another standalone Redeemer or another MSR and something else...jeez, this melting/CCU for zero dollar business is taxing on the old braincells

Melting is the CIG BGS

 

[thistle]

SaltEMike losing it again

"What? You want the ship to literally do everything? This is the moment where I think they are out of money. They have to be. They got to be out of money. This is the first ship that can do literally everything"

"This is the moment when i feel the game might actually be a scam"

Mike living up to his name.

But from what i understand its an exploration ship with a tractor beam, a mining laser, a medical bay, and can fit weapons... i can see his point when ships are normally tied to specific roles. This is a bit of a deviation for CIG. Will there be now more multirole ships coming out? Ones that punch above their weight?

He's right though, when every other ship has been designed to be entirely useless for specific game loops it's somewhat suspicious they come up with the be-all-end-all ship now.

It probably 'punches above it's weight' as well.

 

[Mole HD]

Citizens never cease to amaze me. There was us discussing the other day how the funding tracker had just made it to $400 million:

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I bet Chris gets his Christmas bonus again.

They always save the best jpeg till the last day

 

[thistle]

I caught a some of Boredgamer yesterday (now I wish I'd watched Mike). Boredgamer was asked by chat : when is the sandworm arriving? Taking it as a genuine question, he said once that system is done, sometime in the future, but it will definitely be coming.

His reaction to the new ship was ... it's not what he was expecting. Which I found interesting, as he had earlier said he couldn't say anything about the new ship but his sources had told him some things about it.

Maybe it wasn't supposed to be the chariot that can do everything?

 

[Viajero]

I didn't even suggest it...

Not a unique phenomenon to Star Citizen either of course...

I mean, if you were referring to projects like Godus, Shroud of the Avatar or other similar crowdfunded projects that led some individuals to extreme levels of sunk cost both financial and emotional based purely on faith in a future product, then we agree, my bad.

 

[VR Golgot]

Yes!

Noted

(PS, as much as I love a prediction, please don’t actually eat a sock if this one goes south. Chewing one would be fine )

 

[Ebob]

Noted

(PS, as much as I love a prediction, please don’t actually eat a sock if this one goes south. Chewing one would be fine )

Well, my last Sock Prediction was that I would eat a sock if they didn't reveal the 400i at Citcon, which they did and I didnt eat a sock! So i'm quite confident in this one aswell.

 

[LittleAnt]

Can it technically be reviewed then by the gaming press?

Can we techically speaking get a metacritic rating for it?

What's that? No? ITS ALPHA?

I see...

Yes.
Yes.
You are also correct for the alpha but not because CIG or the fans prevent it. If the press is not reviewing it, it's because they see that SC is a real alpha, so reviews are almost pointless. If the gaming journalists are not reviewing it, it's because the alpha is constantly evolving.
Why writing a review on how the alpha handle the cargo when all the cargo mechanisms will be changed in x months ? What is the point for a journalist to write something which will be obsolete in x months ?

You refuse to see the game as an alpha when in reality, it's still an alpha. It's an alpha for CIG, it's an alpha for the gaming press, it's an alpha for backers. The only ones not seeing it as an alpha are haters.

 

[VR Golgot]

Well, my last Sock Prediction was that I would eat a sock if they didn't reveal the 400i at Citcon, which they did and I didnt eat a sock! So i'm quite confident in this one aswell.

'CIG reveals ship at hype event' is a low risk one.

'CIG clears 5 year technical hurdle' is slightly riskier

(I still suspect you’re pretty safe. A Tier 0 implementation would meet your criteria. I just wouldn’t bet my dinner on a CIG networking delivery going to plan )

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Noted

(PS, as much as I love a prediction, please don’t actually eat a sock if this one goes south. Chewing one would be fine )

I'd like to add a rider to that though, it should be one of my used socks!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The only ones not seeing it as an alpha are haters.

I see it as a pre-alpha.

Backers sometimes don't see it as an alpha when they are talking about it like a released product.

Guess those backers are haters!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

'CIG reveals ship at hype event' is a low risk one.

'CIG clears 5 year technical hurdle' is slightly riskier

(I still suspect you’re pretty safe. A Tier 0 implementation would meet your criteria. I just wouldn’t bet my dinner on a CIG networking delivery going to plan )

Well, all they have to do is add a transition to another map with an anim in-between and the second map. It shouldn't be that hard. Its not doors!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Still 50 an hour ago when I was on...haven't checked the PTU servers though, they might be trying something although there's nothing about it in test chat...they'd usually announce something like reducing server caps in advance in there

Got a follow up on the server limit thing as I asked for a source.

So basically just a couple of anecdotal accounts.