Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Navigare Necesse Est · Jan 12, 2021

ECity said:
Then of course later we found out SQ42 was delayed until at least 2022.

It was never there in the first place.

Asp Explorer · Jan 12, 2021

Navigare Necesse Est said:
It was never there in the first place.

Early days! They have to build the pipelines, form the studios, create the companies, hire the actors, shoot the mocap, and write the script first!

Agony_Aunt · Jan 12, 2021

What happens when the game forgets to fix the player model to the vehicle

https://v.redd.it/ushazuzazwa61/DASH_480.mp4

Tippis · Jan 12, 2021

Agony_Aunt said:
What happens when the game forgets to fix the player model to the vehicle

https://v.redd.it/ushazuzazwa61/DASH_480.mp4

More entertaining than the old variant where it does attach the player model correctly, but still gets confused which player object it should apply the transforms and animations to…

ArAsH · Jan 12, 2021

What happens when the game attaches the wheels to independent suspension

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kvt5bj Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kvt5bj/star_citizen_ursa_cayonero_by_0zzyt0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Tippis · Jan 12, 2021

ArAsH said:
What happens when the game attaches the wheels to independent suspension

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kvt5bj Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kvt5bj/star_citizen_ursa_cayonero_by_0zzyt0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

It's almost as if letting driving mechanics decide the physics doesn't yield quite as good results as letting physics decide the driving mechanics.

Mole HD · Jan 12, 2021

Agony_Aunt said:
What happens when the game forgets to fix the player model to the vehicle

https://v.redd.it/ushazuzazwa61/DASH_480.mp4

Made my eyes water that did..

ArAsH · Jan 12, 2021

Tippis said:
It's almost as if letting driving mechanics decide the physics doesn't yield quite as good results as letting physics decide the driving mechanics.

What do you mean?

Tippis · Jan 12, 2021

ArAsH said:
What do you mean?

I'm simply alluding to how vehicles in SC work: not by feeding parameters into a set of physics engine rules and letting those decide the outcome, but by deciding the outcome, and figuring out what the physics engine rules need to be and feeding those into the engine so that the parameters yield the correct result. That is, outcome dictates “physics” in SC rather than the other way around.

jefranklin18 · Jan 12, 2021

ArAsH said:
What happens when the game attaches the wheels to independent suspension

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kvt5bj Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kvt5bj/star_citizen_ursa_cayonero_by_0zzyt0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Like Lunar Rover Patrol did on the Dragon32/TRS80 back in 1983?

ArAsH · Jan 12, 2021

Tippis said:
I'm simply alluding to how vehicles in SC work: not by feeding parameters into a set of physics engine rules and letting those decide the outcome, but by deciding the outcome, and figuring out what the physics engine rules need to be and feeding those into the engine so that the parameters yield the correct result. That is, outcome dictates “physics” in SC rather than the other way around.

Why do you think that? And if so, is it that bad? Don’t most games do this, or at least a mix of the two?

jefranklin18 · Jan 12, 2021

Agony_Aunt said:
Star Citizen's custom joystick looks positively stunning

Could be the best new HOTAS concept in a decade

www.polygon.com

Sounds awesome
Massively overengineered
Expensive
Never relased

Hmm.... sounds familiar.

I look at that and I am reminded of

[VR] Golgot · Jan 12, 2021

Everyone loves the Ursa physics, don’t worry about it

Tippis · Jan 12, 2021

ArAsH said:
Why do you think that?

It's not something I “think” — it's how it works.
People who dug into the engine discovered it half a decade ago; CI¬G's own documentation confirmed it.

Yes, it's bad because of how boundlessly idiotic it is. No-one else does it this way because they are not boundlessly idiotic. You either use your physics engine because you want a realistic outcome, or you don't because you want a pre-determined outcome. You don't put layers upon layers of self-defeating and competing code on top of each other to turn the former into the latter. The idiocy of doing so compared to… you know… just deciding the outcome and have it be that way is boundless.

Or, as it is more commonly labelled at CI¬G, “Tuesday.”

ECity · Jan 12, 2021

I like my promotional videos better. ( twitch clip )

bradLP560 · Jan 12, 2021

I know I'm late on this but I have never put a box of Tunnocks back in the cupboard, once opened they've got to be finished.

As you were.

MTBFritz · Jan 12, 2021

Tippis said:
It's not something I “think” — it's how it works.
People who dug into the engine discovered it half a decade ago; CI¬G's own documentation confirmed it.

Yes, it's bad because of how boundlessly idiotic it is. No-one else does it this way because they are not boundlessly idiotic. You either use your physics engine because you want a realistic outcome, or you don't because you want a pre-determined outcome. You don't put layers upon layers of self-defeating and competing code on top of each other to turn the former into the latter. The idiocy of doing so compared to… you know… just deciding the outcome and have it be that way is boundless.

Or, as it is more commonly labelled at CI¬G, “Tuesday.”

I m sure thats how it worked for the old cryengine we know but CIG is using the heavily modifed star engine worked on and finetuned for optimal results by the magic germans...dont you know anything about this project? Take your outdated knowledge and I dont know....post it somewhere.....

Viajero · Jan 12, 2021

[VR] Golgot said:
Everyone loves the Ursa physics, don’t worry about it

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/when_you_tip_your_ursa_but_it_has_a_gravity/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/_/gi6jzc3 Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/when_you_tip_your_ursa_but_it_has_a_gravity/gi6jzc3/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/_/gi6lr1z Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/when_you_tip_your_ursa_but_it_has_a_gravity/gi6lr1z/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/_/gib4d85 Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kqzb4k/when_you_tip_your_ursa_but_it_has_a_gravity/gib4d85/

What am I looking at here? Proof that predetermined hard coded vehicle behaviors are dictating the physics instead of the other way around ? #nophysicsworthofthatname #fake #neverbeendonebefore

ArAsH · Jan 12, 2021

Tippis said:
It's not something I “think” — it's how it works.
People who dug into the engine discovered it half a decade ago; CI¬G's own documentation confirmed it.

Yes, it's bad because of how boundlessly idiotic it is. No-one else does it this way because they are not boundlessly idiotic. You either use your physics engine because you want a realistic outcome, or you don't because you want a pre-determined outcome. You don't put layers upon layers of self-defeating and competing code on top of each other to turn the former into the latter. The idiocy of doing so compared to… you know… just deciding the outcome and have it be that way is boundless.

Or, as it is more commonly labelled at CI¬G, “Tuesday.”

A very passionate argument from you, I’ve read more of those here. Then I launch the game and see something else.

[VR] Golgot · Jan 12, 2021

Viajero said:
What am I looking at here? Proof that predetermined hard coded vehicle behaviors are dictating the physics instead of the other way around ? #nophysicsworthofthatname #fake #neverbeendonebefore

Why it’s the bespoke coded genius of physics grids, oft lauded for their striking verisimilitude, as you well know good sir.

But to me it’s mainly a vehicle that can’t self-right itself, in a massive proc gen landscape