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Viajero

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Viajero
Mole HD said:
The ship shuffling is the game...there's not a lot to do worthwhile that you could even mistake for a game in the PU :D
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The degree of totally unnecessary convoluted complexity in all this CCU, buy back, grey market, whatever in a game that is still in alpha after 8+ years is astounding and should be a red flag for any onlookers. There is no comparison in the gaming world for this level of nonsensical monetization shenanigans for a non released product.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Viajero said:
The degree of totally unnecessary convoluted complexity in all this CCU, buy back, grey market, whatever in a game that is still in alpha after 8+ years is astounding and should be a red flag for any onlookers. There is no comparison in the gaming world for this level of nonsensical monetization shenanigans for a non released product.
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I agree wholeheartedly...but folks are making money off the back of it, mostly small change of course, at least outwardly... but there's an obvious darker side to the ship market that very few had delved into. I'm sure certain pertinent enquiries into it would simply turn up a cesspool of misinformation and misdirection anyway ;)
 
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Tippis

Tippis
Mole HD said:
I agree wholeheartedly...but folks are making money off the back of it, mostly small change of course, at least outwardly... but there's an obvious darker side to the ship market that very few had delved into.
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There's a reason why DS received death threats when he first started posting about what a sham the whole thing was: because it actually threatened the income of certain third parties.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Tippis said:
There's a reason why DS received death threats when he first started posting about what a sham the whole thing was: because it actually threatened the income of certain third parties.
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I'd be shocked and stunned if DS didn't receive death threats on an hourly basis :D

You're quite correct of course :)
 

Cmdr Nemo

Cmdr Nemo
Anyone excited about Dual Universe going to beta on the 27 Aug this year?
If so, one can obtain a pledge for as little as 60.00 U.S. and get a beta key. Which will allow one to play until the game goes live and then the next three months free.
I've shelved SC, and in a couple of years, I'll sell my original investment and quite possibly double my money in the process.
Just pledged to DU, and am biting at the bit for the 27th to get here.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Cmdr Nemo LXXI said:
Anyone excited about Dual Universe going to beta on the 27 Aug this year?
If so, one can obtain a pledge for as little as 60.00 U.S. and get a beta key. Which will allow one to play until the game goes live and then the next three months free.
I've shelved SC, and in a couple of years, I'll sell my original investment and quite possibly double my money in the process.
Just pledged to DU, and am biting at the bit for the 27th to get here.
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Star Citizen...and to a lesser extent...Hellion... killed all my interest in supporting software development off the back of pledges :)
 

ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
Cmdr Nemo LXXI said:
Anyone excited about Dual Universe going to beta on the 27 Aug this year?
If so, one can obtain a pledge for as little as 60.00 U.S. and get a beta key. Which will allow one to play until the game goes live and then the next three months free.
I've shelved SC, and in a couple of years, I'll sell my original investment and quite possibly double my money in the process.
Just pledged to DU, and am biting at the bit for the 27th to get here.
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Remember when people used to release stuff then make it good enough to deserve your cash?

On the DU wikipedia page Star Citizen is listed as an game that inspired it.

Good luck
 

ECity

ECity
Cmdr Nemo LXXI said:
Anyone excited about Dual Universe going to beta on the 27 Aug this year?
If so, one can obtain a pledge for as little as 60.00 U.S. and get a beta key. Which will allow one to play until the game goes live and then the next three months free.
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This is already confusing. News articles stated the subscription price will be $6.99 per month. How does this work? Their official page is confusing.
 

sovapid

sovapid
Cmdr Nemo LXXI said:
Anyone excited about Dual Universe going to beta on the 27 Aug this year?
If so, one can obtain a pledge for as little as 60.00 U.S. and get a beta key. Which will allow one to play until the game goes live and then the next three months free.
I've shelved SC, and in a couple of years, I'll sell my original investment and quite possibly double my money in the process.
Just pledged to DU, and am biting at the bit for the 27th to get here.
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I backed it a while ago. Have had access to the alpha but have never played it.
 

Surefoot

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Mole HD said:
I'd be shocked and stunned if DS didn't receive death threats on an hourly basis :D
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I suppose a part of these might be his own customers though - he's got an interesting track record of his own.

As for SC community, a good part of it has eaten the bait, hook, line and sinker and are since then deeply entrenched in their own delusion. It really works like a cult, in all respects, including the sending of indecent amounts of money to the leader / guru. So of course any hint of criticism towards the object of their cult is perceived as an attack on their livelihood and they retaliate in that proportion.
French journalists who wrote an article about the state of the project (kind of neutral, just stating the facts, including the financials) received a massive amount of hand written letters with death threats and such on them, which was never ever seen in their long career as videogame journalists, and they did test quite a few stinkers in their time. There are fanboys of course but it goes to "A is better than B and B sucks !!!1!!1" and not to "I know where you live and your family, prepare to die" or something in that spirit.
So it goes beyond the "disturbing the grey market" i think, as this grey market does exist in quite a few online games and indeed money laundering does happen through these. To which extent it is happening in SC, who knows, if i were one of these criminals i wouldnt place my bets on SC as it may fail spectacularly and funds might be lost with it. WoW gold for instance was a much better, stable platform (dunno where's the gold farming / laundering happening nowadays, not really interested in this kind of MMO).
 

Vetinari

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Viajero said:
...should be a red flag for any onlookers
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It is. But then Im not financially or emotionally involved in the project and also have hindsight.

Its like a combination of the greedy, the get rich quick mentality, the lonely person who falls in love with someone on the internet and the outright fraud victim. The first will pour money in without proper safeguards or checks and balances because they're greedy and want fantastical unrealistic returns, the second will pour money in because of the easy instant returns or promises of easy fantastical returns, the third will pour money in at first because they love and then later because they fear losing what they love and the fourth will pour money in because they fear losing their investment and just want it back.

Even the people who have given up say they will hold onto their ships for 2 years and sell then. Even they still believe it will be profitable or successful for at least 2 years and keep growing and growing. I have seen on the SC forum linked on some of these posts, people who have absolutely no confidence in CIG or SC admit they bought ships in the previous sale. Even they cant really explain why but it was definitely their last purchase ever this time for sure.

Its somewhere between a giant game of Jenga and the story The Emperors New Clothes and the policeman planting evidence because they utterly believe the person is guilty..

All checks and balances and all reason and what we know can go out the window when we are emotionally or financially involved or when we are trying to win.

And if you can get someone to give you $10 its a lot easier to get another $990 out of them than it is to find 99 more people who will give you $10. Even Charities have been accused of abusing this. Businesses certainly do. Casinos make their living off this.

Some of what i have read on this thread could be libellous so I have been very careful to only try and explain why normal people, even people who have lost all faith, will still pour money into something or someone for various reasons.
 

n4p0l3on

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sovapid said:
Eyebrow raising due to not understanding how CIG convoluted pledge systems works.

If I was around since the beginning of SC, it would be trivial to have spend $1,000 and have an inventory of $130,000 of ships to sell. This applies to ships released before the 100i, so around mid 2008. Inventory of newer ships would LTI would take actual cash investment. And thats why you see some sellers switch to 10 year insurance anniversary sale ships, they dont require any new cash investment and can be bought with credits.
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LOL no, your explanation is still eyebrow raising. Why, because it confirms that the grey market could not be a significant contribution to CIG income.

1. So whales don't contribute enough.
2. There are not enough steady stream of newcomers.
3. The grey market is using a system that doesn't generate enough income to CIG.

So where did the record breaking money come from?
 

Sanya V. Juutilainen

Sanya V. Juutilainen
sovapid said:
lots of people buying lots of ships. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Why?

There are three categories of legitimate buyers:

  • new citizens. These have been showing up less, comparatively, based on CI's own registration data, so hardly should cause multi-million increase.
  • regular spenders, tenner here, hundred there. There's no reason their spending should increase drastically over the last half a year aside of maybe COVID, and even that is stretching it, since the increase started way before the crisis.
  • whales. They just keep whaling anyway, buying all the new crap, but there's only so many of them and only so much CI releases, there hasn't been major increase in neither amount of whales or amount of what they could buy.

The sudden spike just doesn't logically fall anywhere. I'd expect it around CitCon, yes - but we got multiple CitCon income with basically no CitCon equivalent anywhere.
 
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