I think you missed the point
ED and SC are niche games with more or less 3-5k concurrent players and potentially overlapping audiences. People will be moving between them and none of that is going to spell doom for any of them.
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ED and SC are niche games with more or less 3-5k concurrent players and potentially overlapping audiences. People will be moving between them and none of that is going to spell doom for any of them.
No, he will never come back because FDEV will add ship's interiors next yearSo this year+1 then?
SC is a niche game at 400M$ with more and more players and more and more funding.I think you missed the point
ED is a niche game that loose players and gives signs of not being really funded as it should be.
The "potentially overlapping audiences" of ED ans SC are exactly the main point and the main problem for ED because "moving between them" is the exception, it's more "moving definitively from one to another" for the vast majority of players.
... and there we were thinking AA had to go out and find the parody SC posts, but LA is bringing them to us here - good job
Interesting, didn't they argue to the judge in the CryTek case that SC/SQ42 was a single game, therefore dismissing CryTek's claim they needed two licenses?
I'm not a hater, so can't read it from the perspective of a hater in the first place.
I can read it as possibly being a parody of a SC faithful or an actual post from a SC faithful - as i said, its hard to tell them apart. From what i read though, this guy is one of the hardcore faithful, so its questionable whether its a joke... maybe they are parodying themselves?
No, he will never come back because FDEV will add ship's interiors next year
Remember when SC backers could say "Ah, but ED doesn't have space legs and ship interiors"?
Now its "Ah, but ED doesn't have ship interiors"
In another few years we might be down to "Ah, but ED doesn't have pepperoni"
You're a guy who combs twitter hoping to find weird tweets from people who like SC so you can mock them. You asked mods on reddit to ban you because you couldn't control yourself from craptalking that game on their own reddit over and over. You then spend real money to get access to a private forum where the sole purpose of you being there is craptalking this game year after year. You said in this topic already years ago you wanted CIG to 'burn to the ground'.
Like LittleAnt seems like a guy LARP'ing a SC fan, you are a parody of the classic obsessed hater. Neither is my problem, but Matthew 7:5 comes to mind...
How do you know there are "more and more players" in SC.
You have access to Frontier's accounting systems? Interesting.
I am yet to see any evidence.
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I wasn’t referring to some anecdotal cases of some particular player preferences though. I was describing the main value proposition of the project overall since day one, I.e. pay for “maybe one day”.
This is so LittleAnt trolling through and through.SC is losing a lot of players due to its glacial progress and perpetual alpha status, people are just plain old fed up at not getting what they paid for 6/7/8/9 years ago, from either SC or the eternally missing SQ42.
The other point to note is that SC can not afford to lose players as much as Elite due to only having 1.2M backers in the first place, with a decent proportion of those numbers being 2nd/3rd/4th/5th accounts for 'agent smithing', referrals, giftings and so on.
Meanwhile, Elite with its 3.5M+ sales does not require constant new marks to keep development running in anything like the way SC does.
Do you know that in France, pets were considered like furnitures from a legal point of view till 2015 ?
Single game or not from a legal point of view doesn't change that SQ42 and SC are 2 different games from a technical, workflow and commercial point of view. That is what really matters for fans and gamers.
Lol. This is what you'd like to believe Ant. It's not something there's any particular evidence for though.
The truffling I've done through the 'ED refugees' suggests there have been a broad spread of reactions from those moving over recently:
Is it really a 'massive defection'? Or is it, as Mole says, the natural cross-pollination of space heads? Something which can easily waft in other directions as the drama winds, or personal preferences, shift?
For a bit of fun I've snagged a load of 'refugee' examples, and intend to check how they're doing in 6 months time. We know about the sunnier ones, but that's not the only reaction cropping up repeatedly by any means:
ED Refugees:
The Bug & QoL Strugglers:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/orx8e7/star_citizen_question_and_answer_thread/h6lunjs/
The Quitters:
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/onp86s/so_from_the_perspective_of_an_elite_dangerous/h5wabj8/
The 'Not Playing Either' Gamers:
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/onp86s/so_from_the_perspective_of_an_elite_dangerous/h5ulb9z/
The ED No. 1 Fans:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/oeius0/questions_from_an_elite_refugee_1_are_there_any/h47wti7/
The $500+ in The First Month Guys:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/ooi7kq/just_a_friendly_o7_to_all_the_cmdrs_who_have_been/h60blzs/
Etc etc.
Will be interesting to see where all the honeymooners are at after 6 months
But speaking specifically to Mole's point, it was fun to see posts like these too...
The SC Refugees:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/ooi7kq/just_a_friendly_o7_to_all_the_cmdrs_who_have_been/h60vyhu/
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/onxtrr/long_time_sc_player_here_can_someone_explain_to/h5v2n9c/
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/o4q84p/new_star_citizen_player/h2k04zn/
And we have literally no idea on scale ¯\(ツ)/¯
This is all pretty comparable to your initial overblown reaction:
As noted at the time that doesn't appear to be the case.
You seem to be caught up in an 'ED bad so SC good' fallacy. And taking it to an absurd degree. Again...
It's not a $400M game if you keep resetting every 2 years.
No i don't. Others do that and post them /r/sc_refunds
I ask them to permaban me because of the toxic community over there, which i agree I couldn't stop responding to when they responded to my posts, which were my critiques of the game. I didn't break any of the subs rules myself, yet they consistently broke sub rules with their replies yet the mods did nothing.
Yeah, i paid $10 to access SA to join in the SC thread over there. I do enjoy craptalking about SC, i've been doing it for year after year here and elsewhere.
Most certainly do. Although, its not CIG really as a whole, its CR and his cronies that need to go.
None of which means i have any hate. You're projecting, the same way some of the backers do. I enjoy craptalking about SC. I enjoy watching CIG's missteps. And i really think CR needs to go along with those who have enabled him.
You have nicely cherry picked certain things, but how about statements i've made in the past where i've said that I hope the non-loony backers get what they paid for at the end of the day (i don't think they will), i hope the non-loonly backers at least get a game they can enjoy. And i've even said that should CR go, i might even be interested in buying into SC, assuming whoever takes over takes things in a direction I like.
There is no hate on my side. There does appear to be hate for some of the things i've posted over the years though.
There is distaste for the lies and deception done by CIG though, and i think its a distaste that most people would/should share, even backers, although some don't (and some even do - eg: Mole, he's not happy with some of the stuff CIG have said/done, but that doesn't stop him playing).
yes, and that is why you are a SC hater. Thats how the term works. If you enjoy to craptalk something year after year after year in literally tens of thousands of posts, you are a hater of that thing. Even if you want to play CR-like wordplay games and pretend you cant be a hater because 'there is no hate'; hate is defined by MW as 'an intense dislike of something'. You obviously have a very intense dislike of CIG, SC and CR.
Just cut the crap and accept you are a SC hater and have been for over half a decade. Its weird to be such a selfawarewolf.
The French consider snails to be food, so nothing would surprise me with how that classify other things!
However, arguing in court that its one product and then saying otherwise outside court doesn't sit right with me. Maybe you're fine with that.
Again, about the amount of skeptics it's really decreasing. Just look on the ED forum at the number of guys referencing SC as a scam/total failure and the number of guys talking about SC as a good reference for some ideas. Compare it to the same forum last year or 2 years ago and you clearly see the shift.
Hah that thread is a fun read
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/onxtrr/long_time_sc_player_here_can_someone_explain_to/
Odyssey was the biggest gift to CIG in years. No doubt about that. But it really reflects the absurdity of the whole situation. The best thing for SC in years wasn't something CIG did, it was the failure of another company.
Still, FD are slowly pulling things back and overall Odyssey is pretty good now, just needs more performance improvements so more people can enjoy it.
Oh, a post from a long time SC faithful
LOL, i wonder how he feels about SC's chances of being a "real" MMO with CIG's talk about the direction server meshing is going. Ooopsie.
yes, and that is why you are a SC hater. Thats how the term works. If you enjoy to craptalk something year after year after year in literally tens of thousands of posts, you are a hater of that thing. Even if you want to play CR-like wordplay games and pretend you cant be a hater because 'there is no hate'; hate is defined by MW as 'an intense dislike of something'. You obviously have a very intense dislike of CIG, SC and CR.
Just cut the crap and accept you are a SC hater and have been for over half a decade. Its weird to be such a selfawarewolf.
Hate is an emotion which i don't feel in relation to SC though. You're basically trying to say i feel an emotion i don't (intense dislike (aka hate) is not what i feel - you accuse me of playing word games then do it yourself)
And its not even SC i have an issue with, its the management themselves and their management of the project, and as i've said, it have a dislike/distaste for some of the things they have said/done over the years. Combined with that, i get a laugh out of what CIG do.
If you can't accept that, that's not my problem, its yours.
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