Study finds that 74% have been harrassed in online muliplayer games.
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The problem with comparing a real world abuse and injustice with the internet one is that on the internet you are just one click away from not having to deal with the abuse. On the internet you CHOOSE to be abused. Or better put, you choose to let it happen, whereas in real life, victim doesn't have that choice, most of the time.
I am definitely against any kind of abuse, naturally and I've never (and never would) subjected another life form to any kind of physical or psychological abuse.
That is... unless you find me disagreeing with you to be abusive.
I'd like the Methodology section to be a bit more descriptive about how they made sure the population sample was not biased, i.e., make sure there was no bias towards garnering responses from people who had been harassed. All they say is that they had an analytics firm collect a thousand and change responses, with some safeguards to make sure they had significant sample sizes across specific demographics.
Depending on the exact sampling process, it's easy to gain a massive oversampling of groups who match the criteria you may be fishing for. For example, let's have a survey about the quality of Elite Dangerous. If I asked that question on a support-oriented section of the forums, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of respondents would have run into more or less severe issues that needed outside help to fix. If I somehow targeted, say, viewers of Malic, the result may be totally different and tell me that while the game has issues, most of them would be easily worked around.
Depending on the exact sampling process, it's easy to gain a massive oversampling of groups who match the criteria you may be fishing for. For example, let's have a survey about the quality of Elite Dangerous. If I asked that question on a support-oriented section of the forums, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of respondents would have run into more or less severe issues that needed outside help to fix. If I somehow targeted, say, viewers of Malic, the result may be totally different and tell me that while the game has issues, most of them would be easily worked around.
I totally disagree. You're putting the blame on the person receiving the abuse instead of holding the abuser accountable.
People always used to say "Why didn't you just walk away?" and the very simple answer is - you shouldn't have to walk away.
Let's play silly games and reverse your logic; Why not say that the abusers are letting it happen? After all they are the people who are triggered by the exisitence of things they find offensive, they're the ones who cannot tolerate people they don't like in their safe space. So why not argue that they should walk away? If they find all these things so intolerable why don't they go and make the Bigotted Boys Brigade Server and indulge themselves safely there?
Nonsense, you're making comment after comment apologising for bigotry and abuse, victimizing people on the receiving end etc. You are damned by your own words.
I find your stance offensive and bigotted and inconsiderate of people who receive abuse but I don't personally feel abused, there is absolutely no need to pull that card unless you're simply trying to provoke me.
Everyone has the right to say what they please. People don't have a right to be offended. Freedom of speech does not mean to not say something someone might find harsh or take personally.
There will always be bigots, there will always be nazis. As I said, the internet is the colletive thought pool, some people can't handle it which is fine, but that does'nt mean people have any less right to say what they like online.
Considering how freedom of speech is being infinged on to a greater and greater degree these days I think it's good that you can say what you like on the internet.
Its been around for a bit now, people should know how to deal with it, it really is as simple as not looking for content that offends you.Or indeed trying to start a conversation over something you find offensive, whilst looing for internet good boy points.
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I generally agree with you, but I'd like to point out that people in fact DO have a right to be offended. Being offended is fine. It just doesn't mean anything.
Im not too good at math but what is 74% of a 1000 people, and wasn' t there something in that study about 80% of said people being more than happy.
I'll let the Quartering debunk the whole affair.
Source: https://youtu.be/28GCrg1Fyo4
I'll let the Quartering debunk the whole affair.
If everyone has the right to say what they please then demonstrate it. Tell me in no uncertain terms where to go and lets see how much your freedom of speech works out for you...
If people don't have a right to be offended then why do you, and the usual lot in these types of threads, take issue with people speaking up and calling out poopy behaviour? They're only exercising their freedom of speech after all and being that you are all such big proponents of free speech - you should be supporting them....
Back to the real world. People absolutely have the right to be offended. If a person has big ears and someone makes fun of them, of course they have the right to not appreciate it. How can you think otherwise? If someone has a speech impediment and someone makes fun, they have the right to take offense. It is completely nonsenical to believe you can say what you want and also believe you should not be called out for it.
Sadly that's too true but on the plus side there are more and more people happy to call out those sorts of people.
Prove it. Give me an example of infringed free speech. The only place FoS exists are things you can say about your governement so lets hear an example.
Have you even looked at the context for this discussion. If racism, homophobia, doxxing etc are so rife in online games then what you're saying is people should stop playing online games. Do you realise how stupid that is? Take that logic to the beaten wife situation, you're saying don't annoy your husband and it won't happen...
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If everyone has the right to say what they please then demonstrate it. Tell me in no uncertain terms where to go and lets see how much your freedom of speech works out for you...
If people don't have a right to be offended then why do you, and the usual lot in these types of threads, take issue with people speaking up and calling out poopy behaviour? They're only exercising their freedom of speech after all and being that you are all such big proponents of free speech - you should be supporting them....
Back to the real world. People absolutely have the right to be offended. If a person has big ears and someone makes fun of them, of course they have the right to not appreciate it. How can you think otherwise? If someone has a speech impediment and someone makes fun, they have the right to take offense. It is completely nonsenical to believe you can say what you want and also believe you should not be called out for it.
Sadly that's too true but on the plus side there are more and more people happy to call out those sorts of people.
Prove it. Give me an example of infringed free speech. The only place FoS exists are things you can say about your governement so lets hear an example.
Have you even looked at the context for this discussion. If racism, homophobia, doxxing etc are so rife in online games then what you're saying is people should stop playing online games. Do you realise how stupid that is? Take that logic to the beaten wife situation, you're saying don't annoy your husband and it won't happen...
We are discussing the internet. Not IRL situations. If you can't see the difference it's not a discussion you should be having until you understand it. IRL people are often forced to take abuse with zero say in the matter, on the internet you have absolute say.
You want an example? Go on a politicians facebook page and start pointing out thier mistakes. See how long your comment stays.
Look a bit closer mate, if people are upset because of somthing they read on a screen then they are idiots. "I'm abused! Someone called me something nasty on the internet".
Yeah try get that to wash on a beaten wife.
Good god.
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Oh Ish.. It's the thought police!
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!!!
People say stupid crap online. That's about it. And it's up to you what you make of it.
The only thing the study showed, that that gay people are more likely to consider their harassment to be homophobic, people of colour are more likely to consider their harassment to be racist, etc. Which is understandable, I guess.
Things like doxing are a serious problem, of course and they are, in fact, considered a crime and investigated and punished, though, so not really something that would require games to be condemned.
Says internet not real life then makes a real life example. Make your mind up already
More real life stuff....
This is the dumbest thing I've read yet. You are judging people with absolutely no idea of what their circumstances are. If some kid is getting racially abused at school, in his neighborhood or whatever and then goes online to get away from all that crap only to receive yet more abuse then of course they have the right to be annoyed. Who do you think you are to tell people when they should or shouldn't be upset?
On top of this you are doing exactly what you moan about. Crying over reading things on a screen about erosion of your so-called rights/political correctness gone wild etc.
It was your catch-all example. "People should just walk away...."
What would be your solution to this issue, or preferable course of action then Zetta?
And the common theme in this thread is that they should not make anything of it.... even though you are now saying it is up to them.
When people decide what they make of it is to call out that sort of behaviour you then cry that they should deal with it themselves like in the old days, that people are too sensitive, that rights are being infringed etc.
So again, if it is up to them, why is it anyone else's business to tell them how they should be reacting?
I think that if someone cannot control themselves they should be receive escalating periods where they are silenced in whatever game they are playing. Ultimately they should be moved to a separate server where the only people who will hear their nonsense is fellow Pride Boys, (I also think exploiters/cheaters should get moved to their own server).
If you go to a pub and make a pratt of yourself you get asked to leave, do it repeatedly and you get banned. Act like a numpty in school - get sent to the naughty room, act like a numpty at home - get sent to your bedroom, act like a numpty at work - get told to leave. Simple as that. There is too much tolerance for intolerable behaviour in the gaming/computing communities, bigots see it as the last safe space because every where else has consequences, so they cry and moan like entitled, overly sensitive children when they start being held accountable for their choice of actions.
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Just looking for internet good boy points me thinks.
Yeah, well done, got me figured right out. I've been pinging this all over the place, you can see how many good boy points I've earned by the number of likes on my posts...
In case you haven''t noticed there are more people in this thread patting each other on the back than there is anyone patting me on the back. So it's more likely that it is you guys looking for validation from each other, not me
For the record, I'm not some political correctness, justice seeking, diversity at all costs millenial.
The only thing I care about in all this is the idea that people should be decent towards each other and that really should not be too big of an ask.
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Seems low to me. I'd have figured it would be closer to 100%.
I'd believe that only ~74% of people playing online multiplayer games have harassed someone themselves in the last month.
Most of those using derogatory terms or language featuring slurs targeting any of this have no way of knowing if they fit their target; it's just part of a library of commonly offensive vocabulary used to get a rise out of people and thus hardly 'based' on anything other than a desire to offend.
People have been scum long before the internet, the printing press, or the written word. They just get more media attention now.
Weren't that different.
Most of these people aren't sociopaths or even close to abnormal. This is par for the course.
I admit to firing up Counter-Strike the day after 9/11 and naming my character 'Osama Bin Laden', destroying an entire server full of kids and then having a server mod turn my character into a llama and slap him around with the console. I didn't insult anyone though, I just shot their characters.
Would do again.
Offline is just as bad.
I'd be surprised if an elementary school playground or school bus was any less vile than most game lobbies. I certainly heard worse by the time I was seven.
People say stupid crap.
I tolerate all actions I have no control over, perforce, and those I don't feel I should have control over, by choice.
I'd believe that only ~74% of people playing online multiplayer games have harassed someone themselves in the last month.
Most of those using derogatory terms or language featuring slurs targeting any of this have no way of knowing if they fit their target; it's just part of a library of commonly offensive vocabulary used to get a rise out of people and thus hardly 'based' on anything other than a desire to offend.
People have been scum long before the internet, the printing press, or the written word. They just get more media attention now.
Weren't that different.
Most of these people aren't sociopaths or even close to abnormal. This is par for the course.
I admit to firing up Counter-Strike the day after 9/11 and naming my character 'Osama Bin Laden', destroying an entire server full of kids and then having a server mod turn my character into a llama and slap him around with the console. I didn't insult anyone though, I just shot their characters.
Would do again.
Offline is just as bad.
I'd be surprised if an elementary school playground or school bus was any less vile than most game lobbies. I certainly heard worse by the time I was seven.
People say stupid crap.
I tolerate all actions I have no control over, perforce, and those I don't feel I should have control over, by choice.
Never ever bothered me. I've player a whole range of MP games in the last 20 years or so. From the old days of quake through eve online and WoW, FPS stuff like CS and Battlefield. Not a jot did I ever care about what some no mark on the internet was calling me or what ever opinions they espoused. When I was running my own CS and BF servers I just warned and booted out the idiots.
I havent graced the RPS article nor shall I this is all another drama in their eyes I'm sure. I'm also not sure what they expect to be done about it. As for me most games have a filter to turn off or block irritants so I use that.
I havent graced the RPS article nor shall I this is all another drama in their eyes I'm sure. I'm also not sure what they expect to be done about it. As for me most games have a filter to turn off or block irritants so I use that.
Since the absolute nothing of an opinion piece on Cyberpunk (and CDPR) recently with the chick with male bits gate. I've only back to them to read Katherine Castles hardware pieces which I find useful.
The site writers as a whole have tried hard to entangle themselves in political morality rather than gaming too much.
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