Taranis Destroyed!

Aegis wouldn’t ignore them, but would the superpowers which instigated the conflict follow suit?

Also - I am now convinced something remains alive in that ‘anomaly’ which Taranis has left behind. I was sitting at 135 kilometers after a ‘clean’ drop into its surroundings, and at some point I could very clearly hear a, much weaker, repulsion wave charge.

I’m honestly not sure whether to be impressed or in total disbelief that anything large enough to remain functional survived that explosion. And at the same time… I both do and don’t want to find out what’s left behind.

The repulsion wave is just one of the means to not let us in and see there's nothing (yet) until Frontier puts the debris field in (on Thursday or propbably whenever it's development is finished :) )
I guess an interpretation of that is that things are still exploding, emitting shock waves. TG pulse neutralizer doesn't neutralize that.
 
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So regardless of what happened in the past, we are here now. If we just stopped attacking them on all fronts what would happen? Would they stop expanding and leave, or open communications? Or would they just continue to expand into human space until we are all dead?

If it’s the latter, and all past information we have so far would imply it’s the latter, then we have no choice but to continue. Our only other choice is to just lay down and die.

If they want this to stop, they can open communications, I’m sure they wouldn’t be ignored.
How would you expect that communication to go? We've known what the Thargoids want for nearly six years now. The powers do not want peace. They want to win.
 
I guess an interpretation of that is that things are still exploding, emitting shock waves. TG pulse neutralizer doesn't neutralize that.
They don’t happen periodically enough to make me think that, and I don’t think it is a coincidence that out of the two times I heard this pulse go off, there was always a singular high wake almost right after.
 
Aegis wouldn’t ignore them, but would the superpowers which instigated the conflict follow suit?

Yes I believe they would, I mean logically they should for the reasons below.

How would you expect that communication to go? We've known what the Thargoids want for nearly six years now. The powers do not want peace. They want to win.

Do we know? Nobody’s really communicated with them yet, it’s all just speculation, beyond the whole meta alloys thing, which we don’t even know for sure what they are to them. They could be anything from raw materials to what they would see as their young.

Yes I think the powers would want peace because there’s no way at the moment we can win. This is all a defensive war. We have no way of hurting them back. We don’t know where they come from, we don’t how how to get there, we have no way of getting there to attack them back. How can we win? All we can do is possibly kill their offensive forces, but beyond that we can’t hurt them back at all. They can destroy our homes at will by attacking our stations and planets and all we can do is play defensive. We have nothing to threaten them back with so with that reality any reasonable peace agreement would be welcomed.
 
I think you underestimate the stupidity of the political leaders in charge behind pushing this war, Hudson especially. And then the egotism of the Club(intentionally with a capital C) that is behind them.

But I think that’s different because that group doesn’t represent the interests of the average person, no more than trying to align the interests of a group like the Far God cult. My understanding is that the club doesn’t care about the survival of people in general but just some select people, but I don’t know for sure.

In any case, I’m just saying that at the moment peace would be the logical choice because we have no way of waging a war against them even if we wanted to. If it comes out that the Thargoids are suing for peace but our human leaders are rejecting it, then that can lead in many other directions, but I definitely don’t think it would remain a united human front anymore after that. The only reason humanity is united on this (the vast majority anyways) is because they think the Thargoids are not even communicating.

I’d also like it if the Far God Cult and the dredgers got back into the storyline as well, it seems too one dimensional at the moment.
 
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But I think that’s different because that group doesn’t represent the interests of the average person,
They do not, no - but it is a given fact that they are manipulating events to go how they want through the people in power or bribing pilots through fancy rewards to get things to turn out how they want. Alongside the usual propaganda messaging. All so they can retain their precious control over human society, because they’re morons. Very intelligent morons, but that doesn’t stop me from insulting them.

At the core, I blame them to be responsible for the war with the Thargoids. They cannot control the “alien” species, yet they also want their technology to further humans beyond what we should rightfully have(and have the necessary sense of responsibility to use correctly). Cooperation would introduce an element of unpredictability those egotistic nutjobs would not be able to tolerate, because their brains work in completely flipped up ways.
Far God Cult
I think we might hear of them soon. Or I hope. I really want their plotline to stop being on the ice of “They’re hiding in the void because Hudson was a total freaking moron and decided to strong arm on them because he needed a scapegoat other than his militaristic posturing for the failure in HIP 22460”.
 
Yes I believe they would, I mean logically they should for the reasons below.



Do we know? Nobody’s really communicated with them yet, it’s all just speculation, beyond the whole meta alloys thing, which we don’t even know for sure what they are to them. They could be anything from raw materials to what they would see as their young.

Yes I think the powers would want peace because there’s no way at the moment we can win. This is all a defensive war. We have no way of hurting them back. We don’t know where they come from, we don’t how how to get there, we have no way of getting there to attack them back. How can we win? All we can do is possibly kill their offensive forces, but beyond that we can’t hurt them back at all. They can destroy our homes at will by attacking our stations and planets and all we can do is play defensive. We have nothing to threaten them back with so with that reality any reasonable peace agreement would be welcomed.

It was the main information from the Guardian logs - that the Thargoids are territorial, and not interested in negotiating over their territory. At the time of this article, which only stated what more cautious powers would have suspected anyway, it is referring to the Pleiades. But even this got twisted - the Pleiades is apparently "our" space, and the Thargoids just "believe" they have a claim to it. Initial reactions from the powers were not "oh cool, we know why they're attacking, let's leave the Pleiades" it was "these aliens can't be reasoned with" (convinced to let us have what we want). So it was ignored. The invasion of Witch Head came a year later after the Pleiades ran dry, after it had been explicitly stated that the occupation of the Pleiades was the reason for the war. I did a more thorough post on the logs and why they're not just about the Thargoids not communicating, but why they won't communicate.

The Thargoids don't want us smashing their barnacles. The powers will do anything to get them. Communication can't solve that.
 
It was the main information from the Guardian logs - that the Thargoids are territorial, and not interested in negotiating over their territory
Just to add to this: logs that are written by Guardian side of that old conflict (very possibly war propaganda), interpreted by only Ram Tah, who doesn't make his translation methods public and sells anti-xeno weapons.

For all we know the Guardians told the Thargoids to "Bug off, these systems are ours now, we don't care you came here first. And we don't negotiate with insects." To which the thargs understandably answered with "No, we don't think we will."
 
Well, at the last minute I chose to watch it in VR but some technicalities conspired to get in the way and I ended up only seeing part of it and missed the grand finale explosion completely unfortunately, though of course, I've seen it since from Ghost Giraffe & Buur Pit's captures amongst a couple of others also for different shots. I should have been more prepared as it's been a while since I set it up hopefully there will be another time to witness its glory live.

However, brushing off my cursed woes, I want to say that it was a spectacular finale that certainly lived up and went beyond the hype and I can't wait to see the next one. Fantastic job Frontier o7.
 

It was the main information from the Guardian logs - that the Thargoids are territorial, and not interested in negotiating over their territory. At the time of this article, which only stated what more cautious powers would have suspected anyway, it is referring to the Pleiades. But even this got twisted - the Pleiades is apparently "our" space, and the Thargoids just "believe" they have a claim to it. Initial reactions from the powers were not "oh cool, we know why they're attacking, let's leave the Pleiades" it was "these aliens can't be reasoned with" (convinced to let us have what we want). So it was ignored. The invasion of Witch Head came a year later after the Pleiades ran dry, after it had been explicitly stated that the occupation of the Pleiades was the reason for the war. I did a more thorough post on the logs and why they're not just about the Thargoids not communicating, but why they won't communicate.

The Thargoids don't want us smashing their barnacles. The powers will do anything to get them. Communication can't solve that.

But that is still all third hand information so it’s still just speculation. As far as I know, no humans have had a conversation with the Thargoid leadership to know first hand what they want.

It also still doesn’t change the fact that there’s nothing we can do to defeat them right now. They can strike human home systems, humans cannot do the same to them, and there’s no indication that it will be possible in the foreseeable future.
 
Pf. I think you mean total absence thereof for anyone that didn’t set one before the tourists decided it’s time to start gawking at dead* Taranis, and the fighters began to move theirs to Leigong.

*Or is it …?
I love the idea that a swarm of carriers are arriving in strategic proximity to the next Titan on the list now that the veil of invincibility has been pierced so decisively. It shows that the tide has truly turned in favor of humanity. I imagine the Thargoids are producing a touch more caustic matter than usual at the sight of it.
 
Hopefully the next one won't happen in the middle of the night for me. :sleep:
Time zones are going to be a factor in all of this, I don't know how Frontier can avoid that or make it so everyone gets to see. Anyone who works in the US won't get to see any of the next ones if they pop during the week around the same time, and any time later will be likely be too late for the UK playerbase. The best way to ensure the most get to see it in game would be to ensure they all pop on the weekend like Taranis did, but how that could work out I couldn't say. And even then, as you say, it was the middle of the night for you, but I guess as it is the weekend, there is the greatest opportunity to exercise the choice to stay up to participate, unlike a week day.
 
But that is still all third hand information so it’s still just speculation. As far as I know, no humans have had a conversation with the Thargoid leadership to know first hand what they want.

It also still doesn’t change the fact that there’s nothing we can do to defeat them right now. They can strike human home systems, humans cannot do the same to them, and there’s no indication that it will be possible in the foreseeable future.
We still know enough to propose leaving Thargoid territory as a possible solution - even without the logs, it can be inferred pretty well just from what we directly observed of Thargoid behaviour in our own experience. But that would mean losing access to the delicious space oil. A conversation to reiterate this would probably be worse than useless in fact, we currently have millions of people effectively in prison with no evidence just for being a Thargoid prisoner. If the Thargoids told us what they want, any plan to do that would probably be denounced as "obviously a trap".
 
I imagine FDev could adjust the the meltdown timer to what ever they feel like... Or have its being automatically calculated at last-heart time, by a formula that guarantees detonations are spread evenly across timezones...
 
... and caterpillars break down their bodies into slush, then rebuild them as butterflies or moths... What if this was just the destructive stage of evolution, forming back into something much bigger and more powerful?

I'll put the tinfoil away soon...
Well, I mean, we did stuff the Titan full of Guardian nanobots that they appear to have some clue how to modify/reprogram, judging by the unclassified relic. So…

If something does remain functional and those nanites were not all vaporized in the blast, that does leave open certain possibilities. In regards to remaining functional at least.
 
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