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SirMaxxx said:
Well, it severely wounded it, it didn't kill it. :)
And, while software should be tested, testing is, I'm afraid, very hard and expensive - especially when it comes to real time multiplayer experiences.

Yes it is frustrating and annoying, but ranting and doing the 'not going to buy from them again' thing is not really going to help that - what will help is giving them help to fix the problem - details when and where it happens etc.
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Oh im not ranting, its a promise, i will never buy another FD product.
As far as the time and expense of testing, the playerbase found this problem immediately, it would have been just as easy for FD to find it if they had done any testing at all.
But FD doesnt seem to spend any money on testing and they dont need to spend money on testing, they just release whatever and let the players do the testing.
 

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TheSynopticVision said:
The point is: those who complain, who complain constructively, proposing alternatives, flagging problems, and politely asking for transparency, love the game. They love the game possibly more than the “OMG this is so amazing, everything is awesome” people. For if Frontier only listened to you, the game would never change, never progress, and keep stagnating in its present half baked form.
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Not sure if this was a reply to me directly or not - if it was I disagree - I am not saying don't " complain constructively, proposing alternatives, flagging problems, and politely asking for transparency" - I'm saying do exactly that - but don't abuse, whinge and snipe.
 

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m0rl0ck said:
Oh im not ranting, its a promise, i will never buy another FD product.
As far as the time and expense of testing, the playerbase found this problem immediately, it would have been just as easy for FD to find it if they had done any testing at all.
But FD doesnt seem to spend any money on testing and they dont need to spend money on testing, they just release whatever and let the players do the testing.
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I can't comment on Elite in particular, but I work in software development and I do know how easy it is to let a bug slip[ through the net - it can be all sorts of reasons - e.g. it was tested, all was well then at the last minute a minor issue was patched which caused a major issue - but with a player base certainly in the 10's of thousands you can't test every scenario.

I didn't come across the FSS bug more than 3 times in a few hundred systems, for example - so if it only happens, say, in 1% of systems that means a tester would have to test it in many systems - but in fact it seems to be only certain types of system - certainly with multiple orbital systems, but more than that - maybe it requires s certain combination of planet types - whatever - the facts are that testing can and will miss issues.
 

ArtiX

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SirMaxxx said:
That's just not true! An individual or team who have worked on a feature that then gets abused online is likely to be affected whatever sized company they work for!
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I have had to take a lot of negativity in my life, from pretty much all sides, and i did quite a few cool things in my lifetime.
I've abandoned a project or two because all i got was negative vibes and because whenever i do something it looks like it's the easiest thing in the world, but it only draws in the haters.
I probably can't even spell the word supporter, cause when you can do stuff others can't they hate you for it.


BUT a AAA company, if the team is demotivated or torn up, there's an executive level above them. We are talking AAA here, these are multimillion dollar ventures,
they just replace the team if there's not enough output. It's a business mainly, the passion for it is in the background, whereas with indie devs, single or team, it's a lot more about passion and personality, which is much easier affected than a corporate machine..

So no, if i have a complaint, i voice it. And with FDev, if you look into some of my posts in the bug and TMTK forums
you might find how unresponsive they are to honest feedback.
 

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Stigbob

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m0rl0ck said:
Anybody who takes the kind of communication in the examples in the article seriously, or who actually feels emotionally harmed by it, just shouldnt be on the internet.
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I'd say the people sending it or defending it are the problem.
 

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Stigbob said:
I'd say the people sending it or defending it are the problem.
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Yeah, but there are always going to be people like that. You ignore them. Its the price of the mostly unrestricted communication we enjoy.
Of course if net neutrality dies in the US, corporations will be able to pay cable companies to deny bandwidth to certain domains, that would certainly help stifle unpleasant speech. Who knows they might even pick frontier.co.uk if they have ties to a corporation with a competing product.
 

Stigbob

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m0rl0ck said:
Yeah, but there are always going to be people like that. You ignore them. Its the price of the mostly unrestricted communication we enjoy.
Of course if net neutrality dies in the US, corporations will be able to pay cable companies to deny bandwidth to certain domains, that would certainly help stifle unpleasant speech. Who knows they might even pick frontier.co.uk if they have ties to a corporation with a competing product.
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Yes, but they are the reason the rest of us can't have nice things.

Anyone wondering why "those lazy incompetent DEV's don't bother to listen to me" has answered their own question.
 

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Stigbob said:
Yes, but they are the reason the rest of us can't have nice things.

Anyone wondering why "those lazy incompetent DEV's don't bother to listen to me" has answered their own question.
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Well if they keep demonstrating incompetence, why not call it what it is?
But i actually dont blame the individual devs for the state of the game and the disaster of the last patch. I know there are people above them in the hierarchy, making budget decisions about time spent, QA, hiring etc.
The last patch and the general seeming incompetence it demonstrates are in fact demonstrations of how much FD cares about the state of the game and the happiness of the players.
Heres hoping FD's low estimation of the intelligence of the playerbase comes back to bite them in the earnings statement.
 

babelfisch

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m0rl0ck said:
Well if they keep demonstrating incompetence, why not call it what it is?
But i actually dont blame the individual devs for the state of the game and the disaster of the last patch. I know there are people above them in the hierarchy, making budget decisions about time spent, QA, hiring etc.
The last patch and the general seeming incompetence it demonstrates are in fact demonstrations of how much FD cares about the state of the game and the happiness of the players.
Heres hoping FD's low estimation of the intelligence of the playerbase comes back to bite them in the earnings statement.
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I'd say the last patch was pretty good, it adressed almost everything we complained about over the last two weeks.
 

Stigbob

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m0rl0ck said:
Well if they keep demonstrating incompetence, why not call it what it is?
But i actually dont blame the individual devs for the state of the game and the disaster of the last patch. I know there are people above them in the hierarchy, making budget decisions about time spent, QA, hiring etc.
The last patch and the general seeming incompetence it demonstrates are in fact demonstrations of how much FD cares about the state of the game and the happiness of the players.
Heres hoping FD's low estimation of the intelligence of the playerbase comes back to bite them in the earnings statement.
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Why not focus on a new game either permenanty or temporarily instead, you've been around since 2016 maybe you've just burned out after three years. That's not bad when the industry standard is something like 20 hours per player per game.

Video games are just for fun if that's not happening its time to stop bothering.
 

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Stigbob said:
Why not focus on a new game either permenanty or temporarily instead, you've been around since 2016 maybe you've just burned out after three years. That's not bad when the industry standard is something like 20 hours per player per game.

Video games are just for fun if that's not happening its time to stop bothering.
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This is not burnout https://issues.frontierstore.net/ its incompetence. I have been playing other games, stellaris and skyrim SE most recently and i have hundreds of hours in stellaris and there have been many updates to the game, none of which included a bug of the magnitude common in ED.
 

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Stigbob said:
I don't know why you are still here if that's how you see it.
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The forums are the best part of the game when the rest of its broken :)
and posting is a nice break from the youtube in listening to.

Why are you still here? I see you whenever im on the forums, do you play as much as you post?
 
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Stigbob

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m0rl0ck said:
The forums are the best part of the game when the rest of its broken :)
and posting is a nice break from the youtube in listening to.

Why are you still here? I see you whenever im on the forums, do you play as much as you post?
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I'm still here because ED's still my favorite game. Broken is extremely subjective and way over the top, I expect some bugs after any patch and you just don't get massive gamebreakers in ED its usually a minor thing blown way out of proportion.

I've always taken breaks from it though since I don't believe in the one game to rule them all or grinding.
 

Moriarte

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Stigbob said:
Dev communication. I thought that was fairly self explanatory.
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Dev communicates with us through creating the game. We communicate with them giving our feedback. Be specific. What other dev communication would you like aside from wonderful patch notes that land once in a while?
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
What's the fuss about "I've given them my hard earned, so I deserve...", I've bought 3 copies of this game, played my main account for enough hours - in comparison to other 'AAA' titles - to pay for all 3 copies and have change left over... (the 3rd copy not activated yet, I bought it for a friend who is away for a while)

It seems to me a bit like buying a car in 1971 and berating the manufacturer because it doesn't perform like a 2018 model...

I'd have thought that LEP holders have already seen a ROI if they have been playing regularly since release, the rest of us might consider how many hours of play for our money - compared to other titles we own.

There are bugs in the game, some of them are annoying, that's life...

The tiny investment we made in buying this game doesn't indenture the developers to us for the next 50 years, does it?
 
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