Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?

[Grimscrub]

I'm still getting sabotage missions for HR 1358, we might be able to wring a touch more peripheral out of it before Thursday.

If we take Frontier at their word - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...goid-war-overhaul-tuesday-28-may-2024.625728/

Activity after a spire system has hit 100% will not result in additional spread pushback

but, could use the cleared system to stockpile the sabotage compound with greatly reduced inter/hyperdiction headache.

I've been flying to AXCZ for the last week in the HIP 20419 system.
Now I jumped in again, and I get a message that the Thargoids have already been defeated here.

I've only won there 4 times

Given recon of 20419 before, fear it may have had accelerated progress thanks to the planetary port as a swarm-free groundside CZ - If you want another system with that option, next one on the list I had is already at 99% so will skip that. Most convenient that could make a difference is probably,

Gaezatorix (55%) - Heyerdahl Depot (50Ls, Body 4, 0.19G)
-- The port is still offline but the AX sysdef are down there and engaging.

similar situation in HIP 20916, but the ports that side are 10kLs from star sadly.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

If we take Frontier at their word - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...goid-war-overhaul-tuesday-28-may-2024.625728/

but, could use the cleared system to stockpile the sabotage compound with greatly reduced inter/hyperdiction headache.

Do the spire combat fans still take out the banshees or has that gone by the wayside?

 

[Grimscrub]

Believe they do, but there had been a lot less Regular groups running spires in my experience.

Small update far as Gaezatorix by the by - mentioned it and it finished by the time i got back from work, 20916 is done in turn... after those two HIP 21112 down at 16% seems to be the highest progress system w/ ground port in the indra vicinity, not sure what to advise for best now.

 

[Leadfoot]

Believe they do, but there had been a lot less Regular groups running spires in my experience.

Small update far as Gaezatorix by the by - mentioned it and it finished by the time i got back from work, 20916 is done in turn... after those two HIP 21112 down at 16% seems to be the highest progress system w/ ground port in the indra vicinity, not sure what to advise for best now.

Ha, I was IN HIP 20916 when the e-mail came to go find something else to do, Miller time, we're done, etc.

I switched over to ARITIS SECTOR HG-X B1-0 - spire site system. Looking for trouble? It's there. Real Life called so wasn't able to do much before I logged out but I'll be back later this afternoon so I can get blown up a few more times. There's a star system not far from there that just finished an alert so you can use that for RRR if needed.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

I visited Arietis Sector HG-X b1-0 for Banshee clearance in Open a couple of times after we were done with pushing Hyades Sector NN-S b4-2, but did not see anybody else yet!

not sure what to advise for best now.

Generally any Spire site of your choice, now that Spire progress carries between weeks! Direct clearance could be started if those doing so know they can finish it without help necessarily, and Titan rescues definitely should be stored ahead of new Counterstrike locations in a few days.

Speaking of Titan rescues, I think we will need a large promotion of that for other Maelstroms after M. Indra, on a similar scale as with the M. Oya Research drive.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Saw a couple of Cmdrs at the pink one last night but they didn't stay long.

 

[BDelacroix]

I've been flying to AXCZ for the last week in the HIP 20419 system.
Now I jumped in again, and I get a message that the Thargoids have already been defeated here.

I've only won there 4 times

Four times more than me as I am work while they are cleared.

 

[grazvy]

I visited Arietis Sector HG-X b1-0 for Banshee clearance in Open a couple of times after we were done with pushing Hyades Sector NN-S b4-2, but did not see anybody else yet!



Generally any Spire site of your choice, now that Spire progress carries between weeks! Direct clearance could be started if those doing so know they can finish it without help necessarily, and Titan rescues definitely should be stored ahead of new Counterstrike locations in a few days.

Speaking of Titan rescues, I think we will need a large promotion of that for other Maelstroms after M. Indra, on a similar scale as with the M. Oya Research drive.

Please don't.
Unlike scout tissue gathering which can be done even in unengineered ship, titan rescues are very hard now. This is due to change of rules of engagement around Titan after they started becoming viable for bombing. It takes 3h to gather 120 pods and is incredibly stressful. It just ain't worth the effort. I scrapped my Rescuevette.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Please don't.
Unlike scout tissue gathering which can be done even in unengineered ship, titan rescues are very hard now. This is due to change of rules of engagement around Titan after they started becoming viable for bombing. It takes 3h to gather 120 pods and is incredibly stressful. It just ain't worth the effort. I scrapped my Rescuevette.

It needs a bit more evasion now with such discussed here, and its worth changed dramatically with update 18.06, now that the fewest-systems Titan gets absolutely dozens of Counterstrikes around it! Aside from the numerous populated systems, these now include Spire systems and many peripheral systems said Spires help to progress, so those systems also will benefit twice from Titan rescues. A good rescue offload on a Thursday gives the new week a very strong start!

 

[Blaggerdy]

Generally any Spire site of your choice, now that Spire progress carries between weeks!

Any action in a spire system now counts, rather than the spire itself though. At least that was my take from the last set of May notes

Elite Dangerous | Update 18.06 | Thargoid War overhaul |Tuesday 28 May 2024

Greetings Commanders! Following player feedback and internal reviews of the Thargoid War and Titan progression, we are making a number of significant changes. These changes are designed to make the war more accessible, and ensure that every contribution at any time feels valuable. These...

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• All contributions within a spire system have been retuned
  • Fully taking a spire system will always result in spread pushback to the equivalent of 85% of 10 systems

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Any action in a spire system now counts, rather than the spire itself though. At least that was my take from the last set of May notes

Correct—exactly that was clarified here, where notably Commanders without Odyssey became able to help that way!

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Well done all! That was quite the Control collapse around M. Indra, and especially I think we will get its equivalent of one of these moments:

I just checked Oya on the galaxy map and saw a sea of systems in recovery, incredible work you lot! o7

HIP 20480 obviously is very close and actually looked to be on a completion trajectory if everyone there in the previous hour remained there in this last hour of week 81, but either way the Titan is one more similar week away.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Week 82, 20th June 3310​

Maelstrom Indra
Alert: Five to clear at any convenient time throughout the week.
Spire: Only HIP 22350 and Arietis Sector KR-V b2-1 remain.
Titan: Rescued Bio-storage capsules from HIP 20567 will boost progress for around ~22 Counterstrike systems.

Report
Thirty-one Alerts repelled at Nu Guang, HIPs 20492, 19157, 21918, 18857, 20509 and 37520, Col 285 Sectors UD-G b12-5, YT-Q c5-28, YT-Q c5-27, VY-F b12-3, EA-Q c5-16, US-H b11-4, IA-G b11-1, LL-E b12-3, YT-F b12-3, EA-Q c5-12, AU-F b12-1 and NQ-F b11-3, Tvasu, Holvandalla, Pegasi Sector VK-L a9-3, Jawul, Hyades Sectors ST-Q b5-4 and BC-I a11-1, Ngolite, Wanmi, Laumas, Bormuninus, Aurus and Unktety.
Twenty-three Control evictions at HIPs 21179, 19263, 21912, 21112, 19098, 20350 and 20349, Raidal, Arietis Sectors HG-X b1-2, HG-X b1-1, IG-X b1-4 and EQ-Y c18, 76 Tauri, 71 Tauri, Hyadum I, Col 285 Sectors ZE-P c6-11 and US-Z b14-4, 51 Tauri, 63 Tauri, 64 Tauri, 75 Tauri, Ixbaksha and HR 1385.
One Matrix system cleared at Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-5.
Eleven recaptured systems starting Recovery are HIPs 21179, 21912, 21112 and 20350, Raidal, Col 285 Sector ZE-P c6-11, 51 Tauri, 63 Tauri, 64 Tauri, Ixbaksha and HR 1385.

Targets updated at 06:30 27th June 3310
HIP 22350 Matrix 88% *89.6% — Indra 22 Ly
Hyades Sector TO-Q b5-4 Control 64% — Indra 8 Ly, 2698 strength
Hyades Sector RT-Q b5-3 Control 44% — Indra 10 Ly, 4156 strength
HIP 20086 Control 42% — Indra 9 Ly, 4329 strength
HIP 20357 Control 36% — Indra 9 Ly, 4775 strength
HIP 20082 Control 32% — Indra 6 Ly, 5200 strength
Arietis Sector KR-V b2-1 Matrix 24% — Indra 10 Ly
HIP 21138 Control 24% — Indra 8 Ly, 9509 strength
Pegasi Sector KH-V c2-6 Control 22% — Raijin 29 Ly, 4985 strength
Pegasi Sector HH-U b3-7 Control 22% — Raijin 29 Ly, 4978 strength
Pegasi Sector VK-L a9-4 Control 22% — Raijin 29 Ly, 4988 strength
Pegasi Sector GW-W d1-92 Control 22% — Raijin 29 Ly, 4986 strength
Arietis Sector KR-V b2-2 Control 22% — Indra 5 Ly, 5973 strength
Pegasi Sector BQ-Y d46 Control 22% — Raijin 28 Ly, 4996 strength
Pegasi Sector FB-X c1-24 Control 22% — Raijin 28 Ly, 4990 strength
Pegasi Sector JH-V c2-26 Control 22% — Raijin 28 Ly, 4993 strength
Pegasi Sector LN-S b4-0 Control 22% — Raijin 29 Ly, 4985 strength
Pegasi Sector LY-O a7-1 Control 22% — Raijin 28 Ly, 4998 strength
Hyades Sector RT-Q b5-4 Control 20% *21.5% — Indra 7 Ly, 5950 strength
Pegasi Sector PJ-N a8-2 Control 20% — Raijin 28 Ly, 5128 strength
Col 285 Sector IG-O c6-17 Control 20% — Thor 26 Ly, 5214 strength
Pegasi Sector IH-U b3-4 Matrix 18% — Raijin 20 Ly
HIP 20563 Control 18% — Indra 6 Ly, 6244 strength
Col 285 Sector KL-E b12-5 Control 18% — Thor 31 Ly, 5131 strength
Varlawoth Control 10% *10.9% — Thor 29 Ly, 9432 strength
HIP 113076 Control 10% *10.3% — Raijin 24 Ly, 9893 strength
Col 285 Sector AP-F b12-4 Control 10% — Cocijo 32 Ly, 5575 strength
Col 285 Sector AP-F b12-2 Control 10% — Cocijo 30 Ly, 5679 strength
HIP 39468 Control 8% *8.6% — Cocijo 30 Ly, 5749 strength
Col 285 Sector KV-F b11-1 Control 8% — Thor 33 Ly, 5637 strength
Col 285 Sector OS-T d3-82 Control 8% — Cocijo 32 Ly, 9511 strength
Col 285 Sector TC-J b10-0 Control 8% — Cocijo 32 Ly, 9479 strength
Col 285 Sector US-H b11-5 Control 8% — Cocijo 33 Ly, 9467 strength
HIP 19198 Control 8% — Thor 17 Ly, 10.8k strength
HIP 39186 Control 8% — Cocijo 34 Ly, 5627 strength
HIP 18702 Control 6% *7.6% — Thor 35 Ly, 9314 strength
Col 285 Sector SH-C b13-1 Control 6% *7% — Thor 35 Ly, 5632 strength
Col 285 Sector DA-E b13-1 Control 6% *6.5% — Cocijo 30 Ly, 5877 strength
Col 285 Sector LB-O c6-1 Control 6% — Thor 32 Ly, 5842 strength
Col 285 Sector LB-O c6-3 Control 6% — Thor 31 Ly, 5875 strength
Col 285 Sector SI-T d3-89 Control 6% — Thor 33 Ly, 5792 strength
Col 285 Sector US-H b11-1 Control 6% — Cocijo 30 Ly, 5928 strength
Col 285 Sector YY-F b12-6 Control 6% — Cocijo 30 Ly, 5916 strength
HIP 17310 Control 6% — Thor 33 Ly, 5776 strength
HIP 19501 Control 6% — Thor 31 Ly, 5896 strength
Col 285 Sector PB-E b12-3 Matrix 4% *5.3% — Thor 15 Ly
Balak Control 4% *5.1% — Raijin 23 Ly, 10.6k strength
Col 285 Sector XT-Q c5-18 Matrix 4% *4.5% — Cocijo 11 Ly
Col 285 Sector OS-T d3-143 Matrix 4% *4.1% — Cocijo 16 Ly
HIP 37844 Control 4% — Cocijo 28 Ly, 10.2k strength
Pegasi Sector NN-S b4-9 Matrix 2% *2.8% — Raijin 14 Ly
Tagin Control 2% — Raijin 23 Ly, 10.9k strength
Kaurukat Control 2% — Raijin 17 Ly, 11.5k strength

Notes
The Alert report lists predicted attackers.

Week 81, 13th June 3310​

Report
Thirty-five Alerts repelled at HIPs 20019, 20485, 19757, 20948, 21724, 117177, 16954 and 116744, Obamumbo, Vistnero, Kagutsuchi, Arietis Sector JR-V b2-2, Pegasi Sectors SE-N a8-1, MY-O a7-0, OY-O a7-2, WK-L a9-0 and WK-L a9-2, Isla, Hyades Sectors UO-Q b5-2 and IH-U b3-3, Col 285 Sectors BP-F b12-2, BA-P c6-8, VY-Q c5-7, KM-V d2-101, AF-E b13-0, SH-C b13-0, XT-F b12-7, RW-D b12-0, WY-F b12-0, ZE-P c6-6 and JG-O c6-13, Theemim, Picenile and Synuefes OU-D b45-3 and OU-D b45-1.
Thirty-four Control evictions at Arietis Sectors JR-V b2-1, LM-V b2-3, JR-V b2-4, ZE-R b4-3 and MM-V b2-1, HIPs 21261, 22524, 20577, 20827, 20397, 20419, 21475, 20679, 20916, 23816, 22265, 19934 and 20480, 97 i Tauri, Hyades Sectors FX-H a11-0, PI-S b4-3, NN-S b4-3, JH-V c2-13, NN-S b4-2 and NN-S b4-1, Scythia, Hyadum II, Lei Hsini, 79 b Tauri, Col 285 Sector AF-E b13-5, 86 Rho Tauri, HR 1354, Gaezatorix and Almar.
Three Matrix systems cleared at Hyades Sector DX-H a11-1, HR 1358 and Arietis Sector HG-X b1-0.
Seventeen recaptured systems starting Recovery are HIPs 21261, 22524, 20577, 20827, 20419, 20679, 20916, 23816, 19934 and 20480, 97 i Tauri, Scythia, Lei Hsini, Col 285 Sector AF-E b13-5, HR 1354, Gaezatorix and Almar.

 

[Blaggerdy]

Progress looks very good. A lot of activity presumably beyond 15% in control systems though when it might make more sense to do the same activity in active spire systems, and only switch to other controls as they reach 85%

(85% at a spire gets 10 controls to 85% each whereas getting a control to 85% - but is a spire system harder to get to 85% at the same distance)

 

[Kira Goto]

but is a spire system harder to get to 85% at the same distance)

They are the same difficulty regardless of distance, as far as I am aware - has been that way since their introduction.

And having direct progress within controls is actually good now due to the ‘rolling periphery’ where once one control clears, the spire progress will start affecting the next closest system. Which has resulted in the 34(?) system clearance around Indra last week, rather than 10 in that same time period.

(In fact, it’s quite likely Indra would not even be assailable yet under the old rules, due to extensive preparation which would have otherwise been required to avoid excessive complications in taking down its control sphere later on. Now… well, what made it almost impossible to uproot via a conventional push now is what’s probably going to make for its downfall, plus the large abundance of spires around the Titan.)

 

[Blaggerdy]

And having direct progress within controls is actually good now due to the ‘rolling periphery’ where once one control clears, the spire progress will start affecting the next closest system. Which has resulted in the 34(?) system clearance around Indra last week, rather than 10 in that same time period.

I'll put a worked example as while I understood the rolling periphery that wasn't what I was questioning

If I did 30% in a normal control that's a flat 30%
If I did 15% in the control and 15% in a spire, it's 15% + (10x15%). 165% giving 5.5 times the war progress for the same effort
There's nothing to do in a normal control that you can't do in a spire under the new rules, so not as if there is any other benefit

 

[Kira Goto]

There's nothing to do in a normal control that you can't do in a spire under the new rules, so not as if there is any other benefit

That’s technically true but it comes down to the fact that systems are not rigidly adhering to a 10 system periphery any longer. Sure, you could have that 85% of a spire spread across 10 systems, but if there is sufficient support available that you could instead spread it across 20-30 cleared controls within a week… well, simply put, the activity distributed across the control sphere as opposed to a singular focus on spire systems, is more beneficial overall*. Even if the actions outside a spire’s location only affect that one system in particular.

If my explanation isn’t good enough, one of the war planners who are better at it will have to do. And I’m sure they’d do a better job of it than me.

*Though also likely to not be extremely harmful now that any progress applied through actions at a spire site is no longer removed at the Thursday(Thargsday) tick. Do as you prefer, really - both actions have their value.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Indeed we were pushing the now-complete HIP 19263, a few systems down from the top few, and called an early final-run when it leapt to 77.9%! Quite pleasantly it ended at 100.4%.

Presumably the next three will fall to Spire progress within an hour or two, then 51 Tauri has a quite nice planetary port Conflict zone in full daylight at present, Rothfuss Prospect on planet A 2 a. Unlike every time at Raidal yesterday, I have managed not to see a Glaive wing thus far!

 

[Spaceman-FXL5]

Despite the strong resistance, consider earning 2 million Credits against the Titan core this weekend to guard against missed rewards.

Done that (as at Sunday got 2M hit/tag), does anyone think we will get the necessary 32 controls back on Thursday for possible destruction of Indra or is it out of reach for another week?

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Done that (as at Sunday got 2M hit/tag), does anyone think we will get the necessary 32 controls back on Thursday for possible destruction of Indra or is it out of reach for another week?

29, and possibly another week—it could be done with a strong Spire push, although the pace was much more calm yesterday after Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-5 was cleared, perhaps due to reaching the less-favourable Spire sites. The HIP 22350 site is in a quite nice-looking location amid some hills, although notably the gravity is middling rather than conveniently low.