One thing is taking I to consideration that ALL measurements are down to human calculations so an alien species might have worked it out entirely differently.
Interesting
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but a light year is an unchanging value of the distance light can travel during one Earth year (365.25 days) in the vacuum of space.Soooo, this is my contribution to the tin-foil-hattery, i have decided to put this up here as i have been exploring for 2 days now and found absolutely nothing
Im presuming that pretty much all of you are familiar with the map you can decode with a spectral analyiser from the audio clip that plays when you activate the thargoid map room site (if not, heres a cleaned up copy of it), well its this annoying map ive been trying to crack.
So, my whole theory about this is that it is some sort of quadratic map, the community has already pretty much confirmed that the stsyem map on the left hand side is the Star system Merope, and I am assuming that due to the presence of the 3 thargoid devices (yes i know they have different names but oh well
the three groupings of dashes (-) and lines (I) seem to me to be Binary code for the numbers 1, 2, and 3, group 1 being 001 or the number 1, Group 2 being 010 or the number 2, and Group 3 being 011 or the number 3.
This is where things get a bit convoluted...
I am assuming that 123 refers to a distance in light years between each of the four points of a quadratic map, however the distance between Merope and HIP 14909 is exactly 111.29Ly... this got me thinking.... so our measurement of a Light Year is based on the time it takes OUR home planet to orbit OUR sun right? meaning that a thargoids measurement of a light year would be totally different!
So, assuming this is the case, the unknown star systems would both be approximately 111.29Ly away from either Merope or HIP 14909, forming a square with nearly equidistant points.
The main problem i have been having is that there is no database that includes unscanned or undiscovered systems for me to cross-reference with so i am having to literally fly around each known star system scanning everything between 110 and 124 light years (just to be sure) distant from it and hope i either find a match for the unknown system map, or presumably bump into some thargoids and get my face corroded off.
Im on my second day of system checking and the total boredom of flying thousands of light years in a giant circle 250LY wide is starting to get to me (surprise there lol XD)
I was hoping we could organise a kind of mass scanning and astrometric mission to at least give my theory a go, theres a hell of a lot of unknown systems within that proverbial drag net and it would take me a hell of a long time to go through each system alone.
Happy Flying Commanders, i hope this is at least a bit intriguing
I wrote about it above, if we lived not on earth, this measure would be different.
It still is an unchanging value. Lightyear is not a function of time and is linked explicitly to an Earth solar year. It is a distance pure and simple. You cannot change a scientific measurement method because the definition does work with your pet theory. The speed of light doesn't change in a vacuum. A meter is always the length light travels in 1/299,792,458th of a second. Correspondly since lightspeed is the scientifically agreed upon measure of the meters travelled by light in one second. A lightyear is just this distance over one Earth year which is a hard value.
You make a valid point but then there would be a need for separate units of measurement... So you could have 10 Earth Light Years which might be the same as 1 Raxxla Light year... the actual distance would be the same of course, but you sort of need no ambiguity in science, engineering, etc as the results would be... not good.... "make sure you have enough fuel for 10 LY's".... so is that 10 Earth Light Years or ten times as much for the Raxxla ones? ;-)Interesting
Everyone understands that light speed and distance and time is a constant thing for everyone.
But the values in which it is measured: in years, days, and seconds it is a purely Earth measure and is related only to the Earth's circulation around itself and the Sun.
You're going to feel silly when you figure out what they're telling you......
The fact the reference for establishing standard time to measure is immaterial .. over any same period of seconds light will always travel the same distance in a vacuum. This isn't a time measurement. You are trying to conflate lightspeed to a measurement of time but it isn't because the very definition is linked to 365.25 days or exactly 31,557,600 seconds. Lightspeed doesn't change in a vacuum. The distance light travels in a vacuum will always be the same for the period of 31,557,600 seconds. Even if you change the amount of seconds the distance light travels during that duration will be a constant.
LOL! You are saying "this isn't a time measurement", and then in the same breath that it's the speed light travels IN A CERTAIN UNIT OF TIME!!!
There is no Julinian year, off the ground. Why is this difficult to understand?Lightyear is standard measure per the International Astronomical Union:
As defined by the IAU, the light-year is the product of the Julian year[note 2] (365.25 days as opposed to the 365.2425-day Gregorian year) and the speed of light (299792458 m/s).[note 3] Both of these values are included in the IAU (1976) System of Astronomical Constants, used since 1984.[5] From this, the following conversions can be derived. The IAU recognized abbreviation for light-year is ly,[2] although other standards like ISO 80000 use "l.y."[6][7] and localized abbreviations are frequent, such as "al" in French (from année-lumière), Spanish (from año luz) and Italian (from anno luce), "Lj" in German (from Lichtjahr), etc.
1 light-year = 9460730472580800 metres (exactly)
≈ 9.461 petametres
≈ 9.461 trillion kilometres (5.879 trillion miles)
≈ 63241.077 astronomical units
≈ 0.306601 parsecs
PS - It is more typical for astronomical publications to use the metric of parsec which is defined as follows: (see attached image)
Sources:
Light-year - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Parsec - Wikipedia
Alas, I think there is no more point to trying to convince those who will not be convinced. But rest assured, many agree with you and I think it's always an interesting point to have in mind, as it's always going to be relevant in this game when dealing with other races.
Because official scientific measurements are established officially by the recognized international authority for that branch - for Astronomy this is the International Astromical Union (IAU). This is done so that scientific paper leave ZERO AMBIGUITY and measurement terms always mean the exact same thing regardless of the origins of an author of a piece of research. There is international agreement on this term so researchers are comparing apples to apples when discussing astromical distances. Regardless, you cannot arbitrarily change the definition because it was decided by astronomers so they can reproduce results of research especially when discussing new evidence that may change our understanding of established theories.
MOVING ON!
The Thargoids are not members of the International Astronomical Union. They are not aware of this convention.
I understand what you're saying.
Well as I say, I am not convinced that it is what they say it is. I'm open to either interpretation at this point, and have been starting to investigate this myself. I think there are many interesting things about the image, and only half of my questions have been answered by "what we/think we know". I'll definitely report back if I find anything.
