So how would you define a year then?
Thargoid Map Theory
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So how would you define a year then?
A year and a light year are two very different things. They don't even measure the same thing.
A light year is a distance. The distance a photon travels in the span of an earth year. I dont know how many million kilomiters that would be.
An earth year is one full circle around our sun. Due to gravity, mass and other astrophysics stuff I dont even know the name of its never the same amount of time on our clocks in minutes or seconds. Its one circle. And then we start counting days anew till 365. The mayans did it a bit different based on solar cycles. Our time system is based on acient egypt and the minute being 60 seconds. Our calendar is a cluster made of egypt, norse, roman and roman catholic holidays, holy festivities and the moon calendar. Technically our year ends on easter so its never the same length in days (like in ancient rome - the church stopped that by calculating jannuary 1st back from easter) but thats something for the pub after 6 beers...
A light year is a distance that is based on a unit of time that is defined by the time it takes for the earth to travel around the sun.
If you wanted a unit of distance that wasn't heliocentric then you might use something like oscillations of a ceasium atom which we use to define a second. 9192631770 oscillations in one second.
The reason we use light years is because a years is something that humans understand. It allows us to think of distance in terms of how long it would take to get there at the speed of light.
So the statement "so our measurement of a Light Year is based on the time it takes OUR home planet to orbit OUR sun right?" is absolutely correct.
Thargoids would not use light years as a unit of measurement because they know nothing of our world. Instead they seem to use a unit of distance that doesn't reference time. Its the distance between Col 70 and Merope, which is clearly something as important to them as our year is to us.
If you wanted a unit of distance that wasn't heliocentric then you might use something like oscillations of a ceasium atom which we use to define a second. 9192631770 oscillations in one second.
The reason we use light years is because a years is something that humans understand. It allows us to think of distance in terms of how long it would take to get there at the speed of light.
So the statement "so our measurement of a Light Year is based on the time it takes OUR home planet to orbit OUR sun right?" is absolutely correct.
Thargoids would not use light years as a unit of measurement because they know nothing of our world. Instead they seem to use a unit of distance that doesn't reference time. Its the distance between Col 70 and Merope, which is clearly something as important to them as our year is to us.
That makes sense. "Year" in Light Year is based on OUR perception of time, specifically the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun, and Light Year is how far a photon would travel in a vacuum in that time. Thargoids would have no need or care for this unit of measurement since they wouldn't measure anything based on Earth's orbit, because why would they? I would also add that why would Thargoids use Seconds as a measure, either? We have no idea WHAT units of measure they use, do we? So trying to decode what distances are being divulged in the audiograms is useless to us, unless and until we have some meaningful reference to their units of measure. Does that make sense?
Not useless.
The rather clever commander Wace who worked it all out, theorised that the squeaks in the messages represented distances based on the systems depicted in the pitctograms and the current system that the link was taken from. The distance between merope and Col 70 = 1 in thargmeters. But we measure in light years so we know how to convert between thargmeters and light years. The theory was proved correct by using the messages to locate the systems that they were pointing to.
OK, that makes more sense now. Thanks for clarifying.
IF distance between MEROPE and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3 is equal 871.02 LY
and this distance for Thargoïds is 123 LY
Then their home planet sould goes around their sun about seven times slower (7.081)
So Thargoid homeworld should orbit around it sun in 2586.5 human days.
Is it correct ?
and this distance for Thargoïds is 123 LY
Then their home planet sould goes around their sun about seven times slower (7.081)
So Thargoid homeworld should orbit around it sun in 2586.5 human days.
Is it correct ?
Why COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3? Legitimately curious here.
because it's the system supposed to be on the right side of the map
Not sure where you're pulling "123 light years" from or trying to make it match some other measurement.
No. Those distances have nothing to do with how long it takes for a planet to orbit their sun
May be I need to be more clear.
1 LY for humains is equal to 9.46 trillion kilometers or 5.88 trillion miles or 0.306 parsecs.
It is the distance traveled by light during one terrestrial year.
If the earth revolved more or less quickly around the sun, this distance would be less or greater. Right ?
If you look at this image, you see MEROPE and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3, and between the two systems a binary code : --| -|- -|| which is equal to 123
We know that the distance between MEROPE and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3 is equal to 871.02 LY, but on this image, the distance indicated is 123
So if 123 is a distance, and it's calculated by a creature that doesn't inhabit the earth. His time frame is different from ours. For her, a light year does not correspond to OUR light year, because her planet does not orbit around its sun at the same speed as ours.
If the Thargoid homeworld orbit around it sun in 2586.5 human days, then the distance between MEROPE and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3 is 123 Light Years. Not a humain Year, but a Thargoid year.
So if the Thargoids wrote that the distance between MEROPE and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3 is equal to 123 and the unit is a thargoid LY, then the Thargoid homeworld should orbit around it sun in 2586.5 human days.
Now, if there is a system that is at equal distance between MEROPE and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3, and this system has a planet that orbits its star in 2586.5 days, then we have a great chance to have found the planet of origin of the Thargoids
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I always thought 1-2-3 referred to the order in which to do the things illustrated.
Not sure how I missed the previous message.
If 123 = 871.02 ly then the thargoid messages we have used to locate all the thargoid sites would not work because we have decoded them on the basis that 1 = 871.02. It does not fit the available evidence.
If 123 = 871.02 ly then the thargoid messages we have used to locate all the thargoid sites would not work because we have decoded them on the basis that 1 = 871.02. It does not fit the available evidence.
Aight, do appreciate the amount of work that have gone into the research.
What do the 2 and 3 refer to then, is it known?
What do the 2 and 3 refer to then, is it known?
Even for humans, using binary code in drawings is rare. It's hardly 1,2,3.
The only thing I can think of I that the 1 2 3 is telling us the message is split into 3 parts or that it consists of 3 bit octal codes.
It's not directly used in solving the locations so any interpretation could be valid I siopose.
Okay so it's thargoids top left & right, sensor, link & probe, and the two systems shown are COL & Merope?
i'm guessing the ((( (( is just denoting the direction.
(((--|((
(((-|-((
(((-||((
Kinda looks like the artifacts themselves..
Ohwell, it for sure is interesting.
i'm guessing the ((( (( is just denoting the direction.
(((--|((
(((-|-((
(((-||((
Kinda looks like the artifacts themselves..
Ohwell, it for sure is interesting.
bump
Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent...
... has any progress been made on this one?
Note: first time I'm really looking at this, so pardon me please if some of my assumptions and questions seem daft.
Just from looking at it, I wouldn't associate the 1 - 2 - 3 binary code (if it's that) with a distance. Can't be sure, but I would think that it's a numbering of the steps.
Now the ((( and (( I would interpret as units of distance -- maybe the amount of "standard thargoid hyperspace jumps"?
What are the theories what the grid circles at the bottom and top mean? Two separate systems; one of them maybe the Thargoid homeworld? Then what is the other one?
And what about the "centre" of the map? Does that denote HIP 14909, the place of the map room? Would make sense to me.
If that's correct, we'd be looking for 1 system that is both 3 "jumps" away from both Merope and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3, and HIP 14909.
and another 1 system that is 2 "jumps" away from each these 3 systems.
(Where "jumps" can mean any unit of distance)
That shouldn't be too difficult to triangulate, if it's geometrically possible at all.
Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent...
... has any progress been made on this one?
Note: first time I'm really looking at this, so pardon me please if some of my assumptions and questions seem daft.
Just from looking at it, I wouldn't associate the 1 - 2 - 3 binary code (if it's that) with a distance. Can't be sure, but I would think that it's a numbering of the steps.
Now the ((( and (( I would interpret as units of distance -- maybe the amount of "standard thargoid hyperspace jumps"?
What are the theories what the grid circles at the bottom and top mean? Two separate systems; one of them maybe the Thargoid homeworld? Then what is the other one?
And what about the "centre" of the map? Does that denote HIP 14909, the place of the map room? Would make sense to me.
If that's correct, we'd be looking for 1 system that is both 3 "jumps" away from both Merope and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3, and HIP 14909.
and another 1 system that is 2 "jumps" away from each these 3 systems.
(Where "jumps" can mean any unit of distance)
That shouldn't be too difficult to triangulate, if it's geometrically possible at all.